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  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,857
    There's always one.

    All the answers are there in the posts above.

    Please don't waste any more of our precious (and expensive) bandwidth on this!

    You can't make someone understand when they're determined not to.
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    Uboat said:

    It's Belgianbun, not Belgiumbun FFS

    Think you mean 'Belgian Bum'

    No disrespect from any Belgian's intended but to all those connected with our club (in senior authority / management/ ownership), can you please leave. Not saying a new owner needs to be English or even European, but i'd really like someone that can buy-in to our club financially, but also emotionally, not in a fake non-interested way. Passion is more important than money as Roland is finding out and will continue to endure until the day he sells. The battle lines have been drawn. The Fanatics will win. Oh yes we will win.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Owner is destroying the club through a series of inept decisions - why on earth appoint a CEO like KM or a series of 'joke' managers? Our player recruitment has been farcical and initiatives like the fan sofa make us a laughing stock.
    RD has no interest in football and he's made that clear. His attitude to the fans stinks and he doesn't appear to have a clear strategy.
    I'm unclear how anyone who claims to care about the club can support him?
  • Sam lloyd
    Sam lloyd Posts: 1,083
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Is this Colin with a new username?

    Belgiumbun - what are your thoughts on Chris Powell ?
  • LuckyReds
    LuckyReds Posts: 5,866
    Mrkinski said:

    Maybe I'm a little cynical, but there is a rash of anti-Card posts at the moment. I suppose club employees don't have much to do at the moment.

    That's my gut reaction too.

    All of a sudden the club open up a fans email address and talk about opening dialog.. and there's a few weird (as in, fucking bonkers) posters arising on here.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Seems like only about 2% of the posters agree with your original post, @Belgiumbun
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620

    There seem to be quite a few villages in Belgium missing their idiots.
  • 3blokes
    3blokes Posts: 4,610
    seth plum said:

    Belgiumbun. You have repeated what is largely a myth regarding Curbishley. There are other inaccuracies in your post which you may want to consider tightening up.

    I welcome what is largely an opinion piece, what you say will sharpen the thinking of those who disagree with you, and I count myself as one of them.

    A couple of pieces of regime perception you neglect to mention is that it is simply a message board thing, and if results pick up it will all go away.

    You have mentioned Roland's problem about engaging with fans, so maybe on that basis alone we have the protests because Roland won't engage.

    In addition we have what fans can see with their own eyes, failure in all quarters.

    What makes the fans incredulous is that in true Orwellian double-speak style we are basically told failure is success, like we were told how successful the wondrous parade of managers we have had has been.

    If the regime thinks their work is so good in the face of demonstrable failure, then they will also think the efforts of CARD are failures and not what they demonstrably are, successes.

    Your post indicates a line of reasoning that says nothing can be done to make things any better, and you indicate the present reality as evidence. The efforts by CARD and others is to alter and shift the present reality, that may lead to Roland reviewing his position.

    In this regard you refer to the unlikeliness of change and one reason you give is that 'Katrien has bigger balls than the fans'.

    Katrien may well be doing a 'badge of honour/tough it out' marathon, but whilst nurturing those big cojones (see what I did there?), her straightforward incompetence is degrading the club far more than any fan action.

    Katrien may be charming, may be gutsy, may be educated to a pretty high level, may have balls bigger than a whale's, but she is no good at running a football club for all of those attributes.

    It could be that another reason CARD is happening is because the club is simply run so badly, and there are extra delicacies added where are fans are actively alienated which is nothing to do with CARD at all.
    This active alienation runs from the micro, like hindering the access to the some of the less mobile supporters; to the macro like irritating 98% of supporters regarding the big screen this season.

    When the club is so badly run it is not a suprise there is a reaction, and when the club has no footballing ambition there is also no suprise there is a reaction.

    Spot on.
    Belgiumbun, your post sounds rather like an attempt at club PR to me. Do you work for CAFC in any capacity?
  • BeIgiumbun
    BeIgiumbun Posts: 17
    sammy391 said:

    Belgiumbun said:

    Ok here we go.

    Card's mandate was to ensure a 'swift resolution' to the problems with the board and fans. Or at least that what was on the bumf I read. So card got it wrong.
    Problems with fans? So giving the majority a entity to adopt to show their anger etc is failure then? giving who an opportunity? When you say majority you mean CARD supporters. The majority did not walk out as planned the other week did they? In fact quite a lot stayed wearing black and white scarves. Card made a massive gamble and it failed. There is nothing wrong in failure just don't try and tell me that the protest is the majority.

    Replace Roland with who?
    Any businessman/group of people who can further us as a club - but most importantly admire and at least consider the history of Charlton Athletic FC and its fans (not customers!). Someone who is willing to listen to fans, and ask what THEY want and what THEY think could and should be done (not necessarily acting upon it but at the minimum considering the fans when deciding! come on be real! how many CAFC fans have the dough to buy Charlton? We tried that once and nearly killed the club - see Mark Hulyer. Don't get all romantic - someone that loves the club will never buy it. Too much baggage and too many issues. Why would anyone listen to the fans? This is not a charity. If you have billions of pounds your hardy likely take any advice from anyone.

    Replace Katrien with who.
    An experienced CEO in ANY business would be a start , let alone one who knows The business of football , or even someone who understands Charlton ands its fans!
    Someone who is willing to listen to EVERY party involved in Charlton and not just the person who pays him/her! Someone who is willing to learn from mistakes others have made but also mistakes he/she has made!     very few ceo have a football background. She is hopeless I accept that but she is a puppet and I think on this board a few fans deserve her. See the would ya thread.

    There are other fans at this club as well. There are fans that care just as much about CAFC than those that throw plastic balls about. They need convincing that an action group is not a wrecking crew.
    Of course there are , but when and where has CARD and its folk tried to wreck? It's about giving Charlton fans a voice AT CHARLTON! Of course there are fans out there who question CARD et all but surely those of them who go to home games have to question why at least 80% of fans are chanting "we want Roland out" and throwing stuff - so why aren't they?!. Most people agree Roland is awful but I rather him than John the binman. Remember we were told slater and Jiminez were awful for the club perhaps because they put a few noses out of joint. They also refused to engage with fans? I don't blame them.

    There are alternatives to fighting
    Agreed , but both CAST & CARD have both tried to have amenable and constructive communication with the club but that has not been successful- so fighting it/them is the last option and the one we have been forced to chooseSo anyone who disagrees with you has an ego? Maybe it's because the vocal posters in this forum/board have had enough of being walked over by an owner who is adamant the hard work put in by the fans and previous owners is nothing but rubbish and not going to effect him... Why is he so quick to rubbish the history of the club when the fans are what make up a bloody large proportion of it? Should relegation occur this season , and let's not ignore the fact that it's still inevitable at the moment , it has been the most avoidable relegation in this clubs (and potentially in the English football league) history! Of course relegation to league one has occurred many times but that's been through mismanaging the finances or lack of said finances and just crap football! Today we are owned by a man who's wealth totals almost half a billion pounds- so does spending little or no money on experienced and talented footballers who have been properly scouted sound fair? Compare that to spending a few million of players like Naby Sarr who hasn't had a look in for a good few months , as well as spending £12 million to gain a premier league standard training ground/academy yet neglecting the first team! Maybe fans do like being 'mates' with board members but that's probably because they were listened to and appreciated (the fans that is). There was no animosity because directors and board members didn't brand its patrons as customers nor did they anger and upset them and even call their love for a club "weird" {...} the same fans told us that slater and Jiminez were spivs. But forget to mention Murray. Why?

    Card does not go on other forums and promote themselves - why?
    No idea why , you'll have to ask who ever posts as CARD on here , however I agree that they should promote themselves on ALL cafc forums! Or the other boards think they are a waste of time and self serving. People Support the club how they wish .

    You can't tell anyone how to spend their money. If you have 40m please buy us out.
    True, but you CAN ask! After all why should they buy a season ticket? Fans are not obliged to just be aside they are supporters nobody has tried to buy us. Roland would take any reasonable offer imo.

    If your want to support the club you have to be in Card - how so? Illogical and irrational.
    That's never once been said! But again , surely those who don't support any protests whether from CARD or not , have to ask why a considerably amount of people are subscribing to CARDs ideas but they're not...! not enough to be a success tho.

    How was Card formed? Is Card actually Cast!
    Why does it matter how it was formed? From information I've seen, it was Charlton fans saw many other Charlton fans disgusted with how the club is and was being run and decided to do something about it. Why is that a negative? if a organisation was formed in the name of CAFC supporters surely then it is not a problem explaining how and and by whom.

    You take the club as you find it. If you don't like it don't go. Season ticket boycotts (really) the club know they same faces will go.

    We have been in worse positions.

    We 'find' ourself second from bottom of a league we worked hard to get back into , as well as having mass anger and upset at a ownership that doesn't even visit the valley and their 'customers' in person for a match!
    By saying "if you don't like it , don't go" - isn't that you telling people how to spend their money? Something you have painted as negative if CARD do it! If the club think they're going to get similar season ticket numbers to those when we were last in league one then they're seriously misguided! Says a lot that under 1,000 season tickets new and renewing have been soldso far!

    I am not telling anyone how to spend their money - the opposite actually don't spend their money!!! If you don't like it don't go.
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  • LuckyReds
    LuckyReds Posts: 5,866
    Belgiumbun said:

    I am not telling anyone how to spend their money - the opposite actually don't spend their money!!! If you don't like it don't go.

    That is by definition telling them how they should or shouldn't spend their money. Are you really so myopic that you can't see that?
  • rememberbillybonds
    rememberbillybonds Posts: 759
    I guess the original post is from the club.
    CARD are not perfect but are doing well. The protests are effective, that is to say good publicity. We must continue.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,944
    Belgiumbun said:

    Ok here we go.

    Card's mandate was to ensure a 'swift resolution' to the problems with the board and fans. Or at least that what was on the bumf I read. So card got it wrong.

    Replace Roland with who?

    Replace Katrien with who.

    There are other fans at this club as well. There are fans that care just as much about CAFC than those that throw plastic balls about. They need convincing that an action group is not a wrecking crew.

    There are alternatives to fighting

    The egos on this board demonstrate that reasoned debate is difficult

    The club was relegated to the old third division before and none of this abuse was experienced against the board - why? Maybe some of the fans liked being mates with the board at that time.

    Card does not go on other forums and promote themselves - why?

    You can't tell anyone how to spend their money. If you have 40m please buy us out.

    If your want to support the club you have to be in Card - how so? Illogical and irrational.


    How was Card formed? Is Card actually Cast!


    You take the club as you find it. If you don't like it don't go. Season ticket boycotts (really) the club know they same faces will go.

    We have been in worse positions.

    This is more obvious fishing for lols than Colin..
  • Sam lloyd
    Sam lloyd Posts: 1,083
    "What we should be doing is supporting the team"

    WE DO support the team, not the regime !
  • bigstemarra
    bigstemarra Posts: 5,098
    It's defend the indefensible time!

    As WUM's go, you're second rate tbh. No-one can really be that thick IRL.
  • Sheepie1985
    Sheepie1985 Posts: 481
    I think if there's one thing CARD'S achieved is unity, I've never been so proud to be a Charlton fan lately, not because of the dire issues on and off the pitch, but because of the passion everyone has to get our Charlton back. I don't know about anyone else but that clip from Sky Sports showing the beach balls chucked onto the pitch and everyone singing "We Want Roland Out" sticks the biggest smile on my face, and is something I could watch again and again.

    I think everyone knows this isn't going to be a quick resolution, but there's hope at the end of the day. If Standard Liege can get rid of him, Charlton fans definitely can do it too.
  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    Yet another post from a previously inactive poster who love the Belgiums, joined after they arrived, named themselves after them and talks " buying us out".

    Getting desperate now!
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,868
    rememberbillybonds said:

    I guess the original post is from the club.
    CARD are not perfect but are doing well. The protests are effective, that is to say good publicity. We must continue.

    I don't understand why people expect CARD to be "perfect". Nothing's perfect and no one really has all the answers.

    Just be happy people are giving up their free time with no return to try and help find a solution to the problem of most Charlton fans misery and the feeling of being overly dis-connected and sadly .....simply just bored and confusingly withdrawn from the whole thing.

    CARD are doing a very good job.

    If you have put money in the protest fund then you perhaps have more of a say and outspoken opinion to speak out against the CARD decisions....if you want

    I think overall they have used the money very wisely and above all have provided entertainment....which has really helped put a bit of light on these dark times for the fans.
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,077
    Belgian bun - are you Sue Parkes by any chance ?
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  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Nice bit of debate going on.....

  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,740
    LuckyReds said:

    Belgiumbun said:

    I am not telling anyone how to spend their money - the opposite actually don't spend their money!!! If you don't like it don't go.

    That is by definition telling them how they should or shouldn't spend their money. Are you really so myopic that you can't see that?
    Never has the phrase I regularly aim at the ref been more appropriate here...

    BB. You should have gone to Specsavers.

    TBH, there's little point in trying to respond to this post, or should that be rant ?

    BB has made it abundantly clear that he is not for turning & that's his choice.

    But to denigrate those who, as AB states are giving hours of their time to this "cause" is laughable & disrespectful at the very least. How would BB know who the main movers & shakers are in CARD ? Has he met any of them, let alone sought dialogue or the opportunity to discuss said issue he has raised ?

    Of course not, silly Fanny !

    As for CARD organisers looking to work in the club when the halcyon days return, I think not. These are intelligent people whose work/Charlton supporting /life balance leaves them little spare time but who have come together to work tirelessly for the club they love at a time when its very existence is threatened. Many of us are foot soldiers in this "campaign" but are also giving our time with the aim of bringing our club back from the brink. But, of course, you don't want to hear this, do you ?

    If I may be so bold, may I ask you whether you were behind the Valley Party and its aim to bring our club back to its home ? Or are you a supporter that sits back with his fingers in his ears, wearing a pair of ill prescribed NHS specs mumbling "que sera, sera" ad infintum until the situation has been resolved by others ?

    Or, as some have suggested, are you a club employee after all ?

    Surely not, though ! That would be far too simple an explanation and yet again , an indication of just how rattled are those who may only be concerned with their future as a club servant....

    ( No offence to those inside our club who have no choice but to keep their heads down & bite their lips until this nightmare passes)

  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    oh dear BB, do you read posts in there entirety before typing out your comments..??
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,258
    Dave2! That's my view. There are dissenters. Someone pointed out ITTV yesterday, but they are'nt some sort of pro Belgian campaigning forum, just another place where Addicks go to chat. And some don't like the protests. No, CARD aren't perfect- no one is. But they offer resistance to a well documented virus killing our club. And lets be honest, you can't please all the people all the time. CARD are organising protests, and trying to keep it fresh and try new initiatives. Sounds good to me. Shame RD can't try a change of direction.
    Finally, ousting a millionaire was never going to be easy, or quick. But the alternative is much worse.

    PS I'm sure Sue Parkes would have been less open minded. This smells of KM.
  • robinofottershaw
    robinofottershaw Posts: 1,921
    "If you have 40M please buy us out". Dear God, that's a pretty stupid mistake Belgiumbun". Must do better, including your username.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,042
    What a plonker
  • Sam lloyd
    Sam lloyd Posts: 1,083
    "Who are ya, who are ya"
  • Fortune 82nd Minute
    Fortune 82nd Minute Posts: 8,342
    Belgiumbun said:

    A few points.

    Why will CAFC be better off with CARDS patronage? Who amongst CARD will represent them? If it has no leadership? Who is qualified enough to sit on the directors board? Or talk with Roland? Given the previous spats on here - and a lot of you don't get on. how will this be decided?

    Support the team not the regime - really? How many posts on the Birmingham thread above are saying the protests are more fun than the game?

    Why do CARD not promote on other cafc Internet forums? Even a cursory look at into the valley suggest CARDs methods are thought to be a bizarre. If you want unity then show me you have support from the MAJORITY of fans.

    The TV walk out was not demonstrative of a majority support including those wearing b/w scarves.

    Just because you can protest does not mean that you should. Has it occurred to anyone that the protest so far have achieved nothing? Except the dumping of a few pasties and paying a few coppers overtime.

    Who approaches Katrien? Is it the messenger more than the message that failes to engage?

    Yes I get you don't like Roland but you didn't like Slater either. Maybe some boats don't need rocking. In hindsight and learning from that mistake, isn't it better to stay with Roland than be sold to say another Mark Hulyer or someone with less money? And following on from that - is the new owner only accepted if he gets CARDs blessing? It does seem nobody is to good for CARD now Murray got rumbled.

    We are going down because of the board? I accept that, how would CARD have prevented that.

    All I'm looking for is answers to simple questions - the paranoia I can do without.

    There's no way you are an ordinary fan. A club employee, maybe? Or more likely, a Douchbag stooge.

    Which is it?

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