How did this meeting come about? I'm picturing that Target20k had a regular catch up to discuss with Katrien how a fixed sign and clapping players are going to get 15,000 fans rocking back to see us narrowly defeated by Oldham when KM announced that a surprise visitor would be joining us. She opens the door and in walks that old c*nt. The big question is how did they react-heckling? silence? a round of applause? a chant of Hero, hero, hero?
Whatever happened yesterday, we are going to be fed another "Roland met the fans" story today on the website and, guess what kids, you should be grateful because this time we're (just about) telling the truth!
Is anyone from Target 20k on here..maybe they could enlighten us to why this was so hush hush and explain their actions and if nothing is forthcoming then we should "out" the two bob toe rags.
There's no point telling Louis what was said, it's like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted, they would of been better off leaking the meeting was taking place, in true double agent style, it's a half hearted attempt to try and save some face for target 20k, which frankly don't wash, he should be getting a hard time not all sit there nodding at him like fucking Churchill dogs.
I don't feel comfortable with branding a whole group "collaborators"
They are not quislings willing to spout nonsense in return for a smile from the CEO like Commerford IMHO
I think they are fans who believe that they can work with and influence the SMT to improve the club.
That they still think this after the fiasco with the £3 and £2.50 ticket charges, the way the Jimmy Seed stand sign was hijacked for PR and Roland saying he is only willing to give a 1.5% commitment to Charlton amazes and saddens me.
I think they have it totally wrong and are being ignored on anything that really matters, used when it suits the SMT, laughed at by KM and TK behind their backs.
And KM sat in front of them and admitted Thomas "Mowgli" Driesen is still working for the club and still they haven't cottoned on?
They are misguided and think that they can change things from the inside. In most cases I would agree that it's better to be inside the tent pissing out but with this regime that time has long passed.
So target 20k members and Charlton fans employed in the club did not tip off the wider fan base of the meeting so that he could have been got at. Shame on them.
Hit the nail on the head. Totally ashamed of them. So, no-one in CARD knew this was going to happen/happening ? - we HAVE to get better at this.
As far as I can tell the Target20k group are well meaning in a 'something is better than nothing ' kind of way. However they are not representative and have never sought the views of the wider fanbase. They are selected by the regime and are exclusive...for example would they invite me to join them, or Grapevine49, or Curb_it, or Arsentatters, or rikofold? Not a chance. Even if this ad hoc group is as wholesome as a fresh fruit salad, they have never even reported back to the fanbase let alone shared the agenda so in that way they are the same as the secretive East Kent group. I would advise Roland to seek a meeting with representatives of the wider fan base, you know, the kind of fan base that cares enough to put their money where their mouth is to the tune of £1000 per week on average. The fundraising alone is a demonstration of commitment to Charlton Athletic that members of Target20k can only dream of.
P.S. Allowing for weekends I estimate Roland spends about 4 working days per year on Charlton business. About the same as Katrien (where's the next conference) Miere.
So target 20k members and Charlton fans employed in the club did not tip off the wider fan base of the meeting so that he could have been got at. Shame on them.
Hit the nail on the head. Totally ashamed of them. So, no-one in CARD knew this was going to happen/happening ? - we HAVE to get better at this.
Did you know about it? Strange comment.
The Trust invited RD and were ignored, this meeting is just so there are no avenues to approach the authorities about the owner not meeting the fans, nothing more nothing less, just wish our own fans would stop being used for this bollocks.
Fuck off and buy a rugby club. I'm not sitting with any Palace fans.
I had the pleasure of sitting next to some Millwall fans in 1993 when the club mucked up the segregation. Had to leave at half time when, after enduring a half of them racially abusing anyone not fitting in with their idea of the Aryan ideal, one of them threatened to punch my wife in the face for looking at him. Roland or Squirrel Face will never have watched football outside the directors' box flanked by security guards ... so to them their crap seems a good idea.
If Target20k represent the fans then it would be nice if one of them came on here and explained a few things...oh that's right they don't represent the fans.
It's now completely obvious what the new strategy Meire keeps banging on about is. Marginalise the protests, portray them as a loud and bullying minority, and meet with groups know to be more sympathetic to the regime (ie EKA, Target20K). They will then hold up these meetings as evidence they are engaging with 'fans'. Expect a picture of Roland and Squirrel Face with smiling fans to be on the official site later today.
Let's face it. This mob were never chosen to be Roland's mouth/ear piece because they were outspoken,inquisitive and intelligent.
They are a collection of yes bodies that appear to go all gooey whenever the name Duchatelet is mentioned.
Giving them a progressive name like 'Target 20k' holds no credence with me as I'm sure it does you. Best put them in the tray marked 'useless Belgian ******' and ignore.
I now no longer see the point of a dialogue with Roland and the wider fan base.He clearly does not want this to happen and will only meet with carefully selected nodding dogs. The contempt he and the SMT show us as fans and as people is staggering..the time for talking has long gone.
It's bad enough Duchatalet buggering up the club because he knows sod all about football. But when a Belgian starts pretending he knows anything about rugby then we know he's lost the plot.
For me the most depressing read is the figure quoted re time and money spent on CAFC compared to what he has. If these figures are true we are merely a play thing or a hobby for him and we better be prepared for the long haul as I cannot see him selling up anytime soon.
For me the most depressing read is the figure quoted re time and money spent on CAFC compared to what he has. If these figures are true we are merely a play thing or a hobby for him and we better be prepared for the long haul as I cannot see him selling up anytime soon.
Wish someone could explain, why he owns us, there is no logic to it, he doesn't even spend enough time for it to be a hobby.
For me the most depressing read is the figure quoted re time and money spent on CAFC compared to what he has. If these figures are true we are merely a play thing or a hobby for him and we better be prepared for the long haul as I cannot see him selling up anytime soon.
he made it clear to us last night he meant he has to dedicate an appropriate amount of time to EACH of his businesses and CAFC are just one of many, i dont know why everyone has to make such a big deal he's a hard working family man just like most of us, and i thought that was one of the clubs values!
I don't feel comfortable with branding a whole group "collaborators"
They are not quislings willing to spout nonsense in return for a smile from the CEO like Commerford IMHO I think they are fans who believe that they can work with and influence the SMT to improve the club.
That they still think this after the fiasco with the £3 and £2.50 ticket charges, the way the Jimmy Seed stand sign was hijacked for PR and Roland saying he is only willing to give a 1.5% commitment to Charlton amazes and saddens me.
I think they have it totally wrong and are being ignored on anything that really matters, used when it suits the SMT, laughed at by KM and TK behind their backs.
And KM sat in front of them and admitted Thomas "Mowgli" Driesen is still working for the club and still they haven't cottoned on?
They are misguided and think that they can change things from the inside. In most cases I would agree that it's better to be inside the tent pissing out but with this regime that time has long passed.
Isn't often I disagree with Henry... but I do on this. That might be a fair perspective to have had at the outset, but it is painfully obvious by now that they are being used by Meire and her cronies and that they will have no significant input at all. They are providing the convenient "cover" story of fan engagement to the regime and should stop now, or they are betraying the thousands of Charlton fans that see the regime for the conniving, poisonous bastards they are.
For me the most depressing read is the figure quoted re time and money spent on CAFC compared to what he has. If these figures are true we are merely a play thing or a hobby for him and we better be prepared for the long haul as I cannot see him selling up anytime soon.
Wish someone could explain, why he owns us, there is no logic to it, he doesn't even spend enough time for it to be a hobby.
Have always said he bought club for Meire. She goes; he goes.
I don't feel comfortable with branding a whole group "collaborators"
They are not quislings willing to spout nonsense in return for a smile from the CEO like Commerford IMHO I think they are fans who believe that they can work with and influence the SMT to improve the club.
That they still think this after the fiasco with the £3 and £2.50 ticket charges, the way the Jimmy Seed stand sign was hijacked for PR and Roland saying he is only willing to give a 1.5% commitment to Charlton amazes and saddens me.
I think they have it totally wrong and are being ignored on anything that really matters, used when it suits the SMT, laughed at by KM and TK behind their backs.
And KM sat in front of them and admitted Thomas "Mowgli" Driesen is still working for the club and still they haven't cottoned on?
They are misguided and think that they can change things from the inside. In most cases I would agree that it's better to be inside the tent pissing out but with this regime that time has long passed.
Isn't often I disagree with Henry... but I do on this. That might be a fair perspective to have had at the outset, but it is painfully obvious by now that they are being used by Meire and her cronies and that they will have no significant input at all. They are providing the convenient "cover" story of fan engagement to the regime and should stop now, or they are betraying the thousands of Charlton fans that see the regime for the conniving, poisonous bastards they are.
And ... as Nug points out ... they are being used to satisfy the requirements for club meetings with fans.
Just as I was getting a bit of the feel good factor back after the draw at Scunny , the senile old twat comes out of hibernation and stirs it all up again with his aburd ramblings . Walk away , you don't understand Charlton , you don't understand football . FFS go !
For me the most depressing read is the figure quoted re time and money spent on CAFC compared to what he has. If these figures are true we are merely a play thing or a hobby for him and we better be prepared for the long haul as I cannot see him selling up anytime soon.
Wish someone could explain, why he owns us, there is no logic to it, he doesn't even spend enough time for it to be a hobby.
Have always said he bought club for Meire. She goes; he goes.
Its the only explanation that makes sense any more. A pet project for his trophy 'niece'.
I don't feel comfortable with branding a whole group "collaborators"
They are not quislings willing to spout nonsense in return for a smile from the CEO like Commerford IMHO I think they are fans who believe that they can work with and influence the SMT to improve the club.
That they still think this after the fiasco with the £3 and £2.50 ticket charges, the way the Jimmy Seed stand sign was hijacked for PR and Roland saying he is only willing to give a 1.5% commitment to Charlton amazes and saddens me.
I think they have it totally wrong and are being ignored on anything that really matters, used when it suits the SMT, laughed at by KM and TK behind their backs.
And KM sat in front of them and admitted Thomas "Mowgli" Driesen is still working for the club and still they haven't cottoned on?
They are misguided and think that they can change things from the inside. In most cases I would agree that it's better to be inside the tent pissing out but with this regime that time has long passed.
Isn't often I disagree with Henry... but I do on this. That might be a fair perspective to have had at the outset, but it is painfully obvious by now that they are being used by Meire and her cronies and that they will have no significant input at all. They are providing the convenient "cover" story of fan engagement to the regime and should stop now, or they are betraying the thousands of Charlton fans that see the regime for the conniving, poisonous bastards they are.
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Whatever happened yesterday, we are going to be fed another "Roland met the fans" story today on the website and, guess what kids, you should be grateful because this time we're (just about) telling the truth!
They are not quislings willing to spout nonsense in return for a smile from the CEO like Commerford IMHO
I think they are fans who believe that they can work with and influence the SMT to improve the club.
That they still think this after the fiasco with the £3 and £2.50 ticket charges, the way the Jimmy Seed stand sign was hijacked for PR and Roland saying he is only willing to give a 1.5% commitment to Charlton amazes and saddens me.
I think they have it totally wrong and are being ignored on anything that really matters, used when it suits the SMT, laughed at by KM and TK behind their backs.
And KM sat in front of them and admitted Thomas "Mowgli" Driesen is still working for the club and still they haven't cottoned on?
They are misguided and think that they can change things from the inside. In most cases I would agree that it's better to be inside the tent pissing out but with this regime that time has long passed.
So, no-one in CARD knew this was going to happen/happening ? - we HAVE to get better at this.
However they are not representative and have never sought the views of the wider fanbase. They are selected by the regime and are exclusive...for example would they invite me to join them, or Grapevine49, or Curb_it, or Arsentatters, or rikofold? Not a chance.
Even if this ad hoc group is as wholesome as a fresh fruit salad, they have never even reported back to the fanbase let alone shared the agenda so in that way they are the same as the secretive East Kent group.
I would advise Roland to seek a meeting with representatives of the wider fan base, you know, the kind of fan base that cares enough to put their money where their mouth is to the tune of £1000 per week on average. The fundraising alone is a demonstration of commitment to Charlton Athletic that members of Target20k can only dream of.
P.S. Allowing for weekends I estimate Roland spends about 4 working days per year on Charlton business. About the same as Katrien (where's the next conference) Miere.
The Trust invited RD and were ignored, this meeting is just so there are no avenues to approach the authorities about the owner not meeting the fans, nothing more nothing less, just wish our own fans would stop being used for this bollocks.
They are a collection of yes bodies that appear to go all gooey whenever the name Duchatelet is mentioned.
Giving them a progressive name like 'Target 20k' holds no credence with me as I'm sure it does you.
Best put them in the tray marked 'useless Belgian ******' and ignore.
The contempt he and the SMT show us as fans and as people is staggering..the time for talking has long gone.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
How? What qualifies as "well"? Did he throw himself on the floor, beg for forgiveness and sack KM on the spot? Didn't go "well" then did it.