So he ain't going anywhere. So options are physically force him (but unlikely as wrong type of fans) or set up a new Charlton to support. Nothing else left?
The AFC route often seems like a fairytale, even if we are ironically in the same division as AFC Wimbledon now - only 14 years after inception. The very fact it's being mentioned more-and-more now is quite telling as to the hopelessness of the current situation though.
It had crossed my mind yesterday that even without setting up a new Charlton (AFCC?), the very fact that people are considering it should be enough to show outsiders just how torrid this situation is. I do wonder if there could be a potential bit of publicity to be had from it to be honest.
Is Target 20k actually just Sue Perks, that toady from EKA & Nigel W ?
Who else would willingly sit down with this arsehole?
Do they get free STs in return?
Poor old MartinCAFC who posts on here is a member of Target20K.
Truth be told, I envy the fact they're getting involved with the club in a way that they genuinely feel is constructive. That would generally be excellent and something most of us would jump at. Sadly, now isn't the right time - and I'm inclined to agree with others who think that T20K are actively facilitating the damage and destruction of our club.
What's the phrase again? "Useful idiots"? That's sadly how I see Charlton treating them at the moment.
Another thing I've taken from that article is I reckon there are a lot of Charlton fans out there who dont read CharltonLife nor do they read the News Shopper etc. and maybe rely on the OS for any information.
So to feel the need to mention Tommy when he's never been mentioned on the OS before seems strange, i.e. surely they could have ignored that question and just left it as just another rumour from the 2%?
Named on the OS I believe without consulting people?
Got to say directly at anyone involved with Target 20K, have a long hard look and think about why you are involved but people who fought for this clubs very existence and helped grow that club aren't.
There's a huge reason and you are playing into their hands.
Named on the OS I believe without consulting people?
Got to say directly at anyone involved with Target 20K, have a long hard look and think about why you are involved but people who fought for this clubs very existence and helped grow that club aren't.
There's a huge reason and you are playing into their hands.
Geez.. Isn't this the group who now remain anonymous as they are paranoid about being "outed"?!
Two lessons:
1. If you genuinely feel the need to be paranoid about your role in helping Charlton Athletic, have a look at your name being published on the Charlton Athletic website... does it look like they give a fuck about you?
2. If you genuinely feel the need to use a cloak of anonymity to prevent people learning your name, then you may want to consider why other fans feel so concerned about your actions facilitating the destruction of the club we all love.
I'm not condoning anyone who has sent abuse and/or crossed the line in their criticism of T20K and its members, I need to make that clear. But just consider point 2 anyway...
It's what they claimed at the outset reproduced, nothing more.
Steve Clarke, as CAST chair, refused to participate because Meire changed the basis of the committee to a "focus group" rather than one designed to utilise experience and knowledge, and which she had verbally agreed with Steve and MIck Everett, who was also excluded by Cahones, along with Craig Norris (ex-VIP director).
They never had my agreement to name me in this group of people and were never going to get it, but they did so anyway.
Just seen a cracker of a quote on twitter about Roland not wanting to be around totally negative people.
One of the above group was responsible for the quote about negative people
Was just going to mention that.. Not to mention LouisMendez tweeted him/her and implied someone else from the group had been in contact leaking the contents of the discussion.
That's at least 2/10 who appear to be unhappy, and Rick isn't even a member. So I wonder how many of that list are actually still members, and/or fully support the club?
Even if you accept that he doesn't spend much time on CAFC matters because it is such a small part of his empire, that doesn't account for him sneaking around, desperately trying to avoid fans not hand-picked to massage his ego. And presume that as we aren't really that important to him, he no longer claims to watch every match on a stream (which we all knew was bollocks anyway)
Surely the first thing Target20K need to do is change their name, because clearly any hope of 20,000 inside The Valley is ludicrous. And also why whenever Meire and Duchatalet meet with a cross section of 'fans' is it that they are almost always a carefully vetted. non confrontational group? Clearly the new PR company is advising on a divide-and-rule approach to fans.
Target 20k are a poisoned chalice. These are all business idea's that are way too easy to see through. Pretend we have fans fighting for what we want, but in actual fact, the only way to get what the real fans want (Target 20k members are no fans of the club for what they are doing) - is by asking the real fans themselves, communicating with them. Too late for that now though, they know we get close to RD and KM and we'll bite their heads off.
Surely the first thing Target20K need to do is change their name, because clearly any hope of 20,000 inside The Valley is ludicrous. And also why whenever Meire and Duchatalet meet with a cross section of 'fans' is it that they are almost always a carefully vetted. non confrontational group? Clearly the new PR company is advising on a divide-and-rule approach to fans.
It's starting to work...maybe we should target this PR company and get rid of them first.
Named on the OS I believe without consulting people?
Got to say directly at anyone involved with Target 20K, have a long hard look and think about why you are involved but people who fought for this clubs very existence and helped grow that club aren't.
There's a huge reason and you are playing into their hands.
A golden opportunity missed, and one that may not present itself for another year or longer. The only way this deluded old fool was forced out of Standard L, was when a group of irate fans stormed his office. All it would have taken to stage a similar protest would have been an hour or two's notice. It seems the only thing this bloke understands is some good old fashioned intimidation.
This is the lowest point for me since their arrival.
I'm now beginning to think they will be here for a long time yet when recently I believed they may be here for one more season.
It is a project to them. Like a train set or Barbie doll, we are the toy that RD has bought for KM to play with, break and then discard and leave in tatters.
A golden opportunity missed, and one that may not present itself for another year or longer. The only way this deluded old fool was forced out of Standard L, was when a group of irate fans stormed his office. All it would have taken to stage a similar protest would have been an hour or two's notice. It seems the only thing this bloke understands is some good old fashioned intimidation.
A golden opportunity missed, and one that may not present itself for another year or longer. The only way this deluded old fool was forced out of Standard L, was when a group of irate fans stormed his office. All it would have taken to stage a similar protest would have been an hour or two's notice. It seems the only thing this bloke understands is some good old fashioned intimidation.
Didn't he sell SL a long time after that happened?
A golden opportunity missed, and one that may not present itself for another year or longer. The only way this deluded old fool was forced out of Standard L, was when a group of irate fans stormed his office. All it would have taken to stage a similar protest would have been an hour or two's notice. It seems the only thing this bloke understands is some good old fashioned intimidation.
Didn't he sell SL a long time after that happened?
About three years after but this myth has been created that it was the boardroom invasion that drove him out.
As for people saying "only direct action will work". Fine, if you believe that then take some direct action yourselves.
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Who else would willingly sit down with this arsehole?
Do they get free STs in return?
It had crossed my mind yesterday that even without setting up a new Charlton (AFCC?), the very fact that people are considering it should be enough to show outsiders just how torrid this situation is. I do wonder if there could be a potential bit of publicity to be had from it to be honest.
Alison Sampson
Will Candy and Rhys Crane
Matthew Cowlam
Rick Everitt
Brad Knights-Toomer
Martin Banks
Tom Acornley
Adrian Simpson
Simon Evans
Truth be told, I envy the fact they're getting involved with the club in a way that they genuinely feel is constructive. That would generally be excellent and something most of us would jump at. Sadly, now isn't the right time - and I'm inclined to agree with others who think that T20K are actively facilitating the damage and destruction of our club.
What's the phrase again? "Useful idiots"? That's sadly how I see Charlton treating them at the moment.
So to feel the need to mention Tommy when he's never been mentioned on the OS before seems strange, i.e. surely they could have ignored that question and just left it as just another rumour from the 2%?
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-target-20000-2847407.aspx
Got to say directly at anyone involved with Target 20K, have a long hard look and think about why you are involved but people who fought for this clubs very existence and helped grow that club aren't.
There's a huge reason and you are playing into their hands.
Rick was put on the list but not asked formally if he wanted to join and as he said above he didn't.
I think a few other people have left since
@MartinCAFC who has self-identified as a Tk20 member on here could clarify whose left or join since.
Two lessons:
1. If you genuinely feel the need to be paranoid about your role in helping Charlton Athletic, have a look at your name being published on the Charlton Athletic website... does it look like they give a fuck about you?
2. If you genuinely feel the need to use a cloak of anonymity to prevent people learning your name, then you may want to consider why other fans feel so concerned about your actions facilitating the destruction of the club we all love.
I'm not condoning anyone who has sent abuse and/or crossed the line in their criticism of T20K and its members, I need to make that clear. But just consider point 2 anyway...
Steve Clarke, as CAST chair, refused to participate because Meire changed the basis of the committee to a "focus group" rather than one designed to utilise experience and knowledge, and which she had verbally agreed with Steve and MIck Everett, who was also excluded by Cahones, along with Craig Norris (ex-VIP director).
They never had my agreement to name me in this group of people and were never going to get it, but they did so anyway.
Will Candy and Rhys Crane
Matthew Cowlam
Rick Everitt
Brad Knights-Toomer
Martin Banks
Tom Acornley
Adrian Simpson
Simon Evans One of the above group was responsible for the quote about negative people
That's at least 2/10 who appear to be unhappy, and Rick isn't even a member. So I wonder how many of that list are actually still members, and/or fully support the club?
this bloke understands is some good old fashioned intimidation.
I'm now beginning to think they will be here for a long time yet when recently I believed they may be here for one more season.
It is a project to them. Like a train set or Barbie doll, we are the toy that RD has bought for KM to play with, break and then discard and leave in tatters.
I hate them and I have no connection to my club.
As for people saying "only direct action will work". Fine, if you believe that then take some direct action yourselves.