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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37401678

    Wasn't sure which cricket thread to post this is, but it's interesting to see the arguments going on about Bairstow being prevented from playing for Yorkshire this week in a crucial match, bearing in mind he's hardly played in the last month and isn't on a full central contract.

    Typically Bairstow WAS allowed to play in the 50 over match against Kent though. Slightly awkward that Andrew Strauss has stopped him playing against Middlesex (his former county) and rivals for the CC :wink:

    And Rashid, who has been allowed to play, is refusing to do so because he's tired. I don't think Yorkshire are very amused.
  • Strange decision from Rashid.

    asked to be rested - saw Gales tweet along lines of 'we will pick 11 players who want to be there'
  • MrOneLung said:

    Strange decision from Rashid.

    asked to be rested - saw Gales tweet along lines of 'we will pick 11 players who want to be there'

    An odd one indeed, and really annoying for his county in a crucial match

    Amusing to see that well known dasher Jonathan Trott get MOM on Saturday with 82no at a healthy pace.
  • Trott is just the man for a target of 140 :P
  • Leuth said:

    Trott is just the man for a target of 140 :P

    Whereas Surrey had 11 batsmen more than capable of setting a target of less than 140- going from 99-2 off 25 to 136 all out with 10 overs still to spare takes some doing.
  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37401678

    Wasn't sure which cricket thread to post this is, but it's interesting to see the arguments going on about Bairstow being prevented from playing for Yorkshire this week in a crucial match, bearing in mind he's hardly played in the last month and isn't on a full central contract.

    Typically Bairstow WAS allowed to play in the 50 over match against Kent though. Slightly awkward that Andrew Strauss has stopped him playing against Middlesex (his former county) and rivals for the CC :wink:

    Curious situation . Can you imagine Sam Allardyce turning round to Chelsea,Arsenal and Manu telling them their English players aren't to play.
  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37401678

    Wasn't sure which cricket thread to post this is, but it's interesting to see the arguments going on about Bairstow being prevented from playing for Yorkshire this week in a crucial match, bearing in mind he's hardly played in the last month and isn't on a full central contract.

    Typically Bairstow WAS allowed to play in the 50 over match against Kent though. Slightly awkward that Andrew Strauss has stopped him playing against Middlesex (his former county) and rivals for the CC :wink:

    Curious situation . Can you imagine Sam Allardyce turning round to Chelsea,Arsenal and Manu telling them their English players aren't to play.
    If England were paying 80% of their wages then yes
  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37401678

    Wasn't sure which cricket thread to post this is, but it's interesting to see the arguments going on about Bairstow being prevented from playing for Yorkshire this week in a crucial match, bearing in mind he's hardly played in the last month and isn't on a full central contract.

    Typically Bairstow WAS allowed to play in the 50 over match against Kent though. Slightly awkward that Andrew Strauss has stopped him playing against Middlesex (his former county) and rivals for the CC :wink:

    Curious situation . Can you imagine Sam Allardyce turning round to Chelsea,Arsenal and Manu telling them their English players aren't to play.
    If England were paying 80% of their wages then yes
    But thats the point - Bairstow doesn't have a central contract.
  • edited September 2016

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37401678

    Wasn't sure which cricket thread to post this is, but it's interesting to see the arguments going on about Bairstow being prevented from playing for Yorkshire this week in a crucial match, bearing in mind he's hardly played in the last month and isn't on a full central contract.

    Typically Bairstow WAS allowed to play in the 50 over match against Kent though. Slightly awkward that Andrew Strauss has stopped him playing against Middlesex (his former county) and rivals for the CC :wink:

    Curious situation . Can you imagine Sam Allardyce turning round to Chelsea,Arsenal and Manu telling them their English players aren't to play.
    If England were paying 80% of their wages then yes
    Bairstow isn't on a Central contract

    As Yorkshire say in their statement "Bairstow has played five days of cricket in five weeks since the Kia Oval Test match, which finished on Sunday August 14" so he doesn't sound overworked.

    I saw this list of the financial details, players on central contracts get £700,000 which is a decent sum, but the players reflect the England squads a year ago, so include the likes of Ian Bell. Not sure why Morgan needs to be on a Central Contract for the small number of white ball internationals we play, he hardly needs protecting from over work!

    http://www.totalsportek.com/cricket/england-player-salaries/

  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37401678

    Wasn't sure which cricket thread to post this is, but it's interesting to see the arguments going on about Bairstow being prevented from playing for Yorkshire this week in a crucial match, bearing in mind he's hardly played in the last month and isn't on a full central contract.

    Typically Bairstow WAS allowed to play in the 50 over match against Kent though. Slightly awkward that Andrew Strauss has stopped him playing against Middlesex (his former county) and rivals for the CC :wink:

    Curious situation . Can you imagine Sam Allardyce turning round to Chelsea,Arsenal and Manu telling them their English players aren't to play.
    If England were paying 80% of their wages then yes
    Bairstow isn't on a Central contract

    As Yorkshire say in their statement "Bairstow has played five days of cricket in five weeks since the Kia Oval Test match, which finished on Sunday August 14" so he doesn't sound overworked.

    I saw this list of the financial details, players on central contracts get £700,000 which is a decent sum, but the players reflect the England squads a year ago, so include the likes of Ian Bell. Not sure why Morgan needs to be on a Central Contract for the small number of white ball internationals we play, he hardly needs protecting from over work!

    http://www.totalsportek.com/cricket/england-player-salaries/

    Shows the disparity between those on Central Contracts and County. What would a decent county player be on? £50,000? I know that the starting point for a first county contract is in the region of £18,000 which is why so many good players follow alternative sports or even careers.
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  • Its a huge difference - imagine being on the fringes of England but not quite making it - players like Northeast,Woakes(was),Lyth,Ball.
  • Of course those Central Contracts expire on 30th September. Presumably Bairstow has been told he will get one of the new ones. In addition, is it possible that Rashid has been offered one too hence his reluctance, in case he gets injured a la Ansari, to play in the county finale?

    So, in addition to Bell, presumably Morgan, with his decision not to go to Bangladesh, might now lose his and possibly Finn too. In which case this would be the 11:

    Cook
    Root
    Anderson
    Broad
    Bairstow - new
    Wood
    Ali
    Woakes - new
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Rashid - new
  • Dear Jamie - get practising mate.

    Uncle OneLung
  • Of course those Central Contracts expire on 30th September. Presumably Bairstow has been told he will get one of the new ones. In addition, is it possible that Rashid has been offered one too hence his reluctance, in case he gets injured a la Ansari, to play in the county finale?

    So, in addition to Bell, presumably Morgan, with his decision not to go to Bangladesh, might now lose his and possibly Finn too. In which case this would be the 11:

    Cook
    Root
    Anderson
    Broad
    Bairstow - new
    Wood
    Ali
    Woakes - new
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Rashid - new

    I'm not sure why Morgan deserves one anyway. He's a basically a specialist white ball batsman, so hardly plays in the county championship and gets plenty of rest time anyway. Plus, he is able to play in the IPL. He should surely have a incremental contract with a bonus for being England's white ball captain. Ditto a white ball specialist like Buttler.

    I wonder if it would be fairer to reduce the number of people on full central contracts, but have a 30% category for white ball players and fringe Test players
  • Of course those Central Contracts expire on 30th September. Presumably Bairstow has been told he will get one of the new ones. In addition, is it possible that Rashid has been offered one too hence his reluctance, in case he gets injured a la Ansari, to play in the county finale?

    So, in addition to Bell, presumably Morgan, with his decision not to go to Bangladesh, might now lose his and possibly Finn too. In which case this would be the 11:

    Cook
    Root
    Anderson
    Broad
    Bairstow - new
    Wood
    Ali
    Woakes - new
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Rashid - new

    System now changed with Test & White Ball Contracts awarded as follows:

    Test Contracts
    Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
    James Anderson (Lancashire)
    Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)
    Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
    Alastair Cook (Essex)
    Steven Finn (Middlesex)
    Joe Root (Yorkshire)
    Ben Stokes (Durham)
    Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
    Mark Wood Durham)

    White Ball Contracts
    Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
    Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
    Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)
    Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
    Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire)
    Joe Root (Yorkshire)
    Jason Roy (Surrey)
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
    Ben Stokes (Durham)
    Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
    David Willey (Yorkshire)

    Increment Contract
    Gary Ballance (Yorkshire)
  • Anderson and Wood both miss the Bangladesh tour through injury
  • Meanwhile Anderson and Wood ruled out of Bangladesh tour. Jake Ball called up for Tests (a further bowler may be added later) and Finn for the ODIs.
  • Stokes,Root,Woakes and Mo must be coining it !
  • With Champions Trophy over hear next year I would like to have seen Broad and Bairstow also given white ball contracts as a sign of intent.
  • redman said:

    With Champions Trophy over hear next year I would like to have seen Broad and Bairstow also given white ball contracts as a sign of intent.

    Not broad think he is too far down the pecking order now. But Bairstow definitely...
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  • Just put my order into the ballot tonight for SL v SA at The Oval and also the Final.
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