The announcement tonight that "Russell Slade will give his first interview as Addicks Manager on cafc.co.uk tomorrow" hardly fills me with hope given the club seems ignorant of the difference between an interview and a press release. Can't imagine questions about Roland and independence popping up.
If he wants to win fans over - and good luck with that - he will actually face journalists, if not fans, and answer tough questions to clear the air. Anything on cafc.co.uk is a waste of time.
I'm not a huge fan of Slade but he seems a decent man. And there in lies a problem. Has he got the balls to stand up to our owners? I'm not so sure. But I would imagine he'll be good with the players and will at least have some tactical sense and knowledge of the lower leagues. I'll support him 100%. The next questions are; is he allowed to chose his own backroom team and will he sign the players HE wants? I'm sceptical. I can't see RD and KM suddenly giving away control.
No promotions but look at the clubs he was managing. In League One he took Yeovil to a play-off final, an overachievement. Narrowly missed out on the play-offs twice with Orient, again not a club expected to be fighting for promotion. Brighton brought him in to keep them up and he did. They were still at the Withdean and a smaller club at the time.
It's not as he's failed to take one of the favourites up from League One. We're by far the biggest club he's managed at this level.
That said I'm not expecting much because I don't think he'll be allowed to build a strong enough squad. League One won't change RD and KMs plans for several academy players to break through and the way to force that to happen is by keeping the squad size small.
slade seems exactly the sort of manager we need - somebody who can make the sum more than the total of the parts - if you have that, allied to the academy production line then that is a 'model' that may actually work. putting this experiment / farm lark to one side for a minute - can any of us really say that having a strong academy, running a tight solvent ship and having a good manager isn't the way forward for us? i think we've established over the last 10 years that there aren't any sugar daddies out there looking to lavish their wealth on us. Some obviously believe there are but they've never really made themselves known have they or are they always on holiday when the club is actually up for sale?
slade seems exactly the sort of manager we need - somebody who can make the sum more than the total of the parts - if you have that, allied to the academy production line then that is a 'model' that may actually work. putting this experiment / farm lark to one side for a minute - can any of us really say that having a strong academy, running a tight solvent ship and having a good manager isn't the way forward for us? i think we've established over the last 10 years that there aren't any sugar daddies out there looking to lavish their wealth on us. Some obviously believe there are but they've never really made themselves known have they or are they always on holiday when the club is actually up for sale?
That's a good point. And it should work if Slade is given time to blend a team and to sign the players he wants,
slade seems exactly the sort of manager we need - somebody who can make the sum more than the total of the parts - if you have that, allied to the academy production line then that is a 'model' that may actually work. putting this experiment / farm lark to one side for a minute - can any of us really say that having a strong academy, running a tight solvent ship and having a good manager isn't the way forward for us? i think we've established over the last 10 years that there aren't any sugar daddies out there looking to lavish their wealth on us. Some obviously believe there are but they've never really made themselves known have they or are they always on holiday when the club is actually up for sale?
Not looking for someone to lavish their wealth on us, just someone to run the football club properly. Not too much to ask. That person isn't Roland, and appointing Slade doesn't change that.
Also, three interested parties made their interest known last season. Roland could have sold then. Now you say he wants to get us back into the Championship before he sells. What will change then to make him sell?
agreed but for now i just hope people renew and get down there next year and we have a good season and go up - however belated i do believe they have changed strategy, want and are going for promotion and that will suit everybody.
slade seems exactly the sort of manager we need - somebody who can make the sum more than the total of the parts - if you have that, allied to the academy production line then that is a 'model' that may actually work. putting this experiment / farm lark to one side for a minute - can any of us really say that having a strong academy, running a tight solvent ship and having a good manager isn't the way forward for us? i think we've established over the last 10 years that there aren't any sugar daddies out there looking to lavish their wealth on us. Some obviously believe there are but they've never really made themselves known have they or are they always on holiday when the club is actually up for sale?
The problem is "working" for RD and KM may mean nothing more than finishing 21st in the Championship every season, breaking even and rather than building a team around the best players from the academy selling one or two every season to fund it all.
As a club we could and should be much more than that. I don't expect Premier League football but we should have higher ambitions than just surviving in the Championship and that should show in the way the squad is built, managers staying on longer term etc.
Maybe they'll go on to prove otherwise but this is only a start. One of the next steps is to build a squad to take us back up. I'd like to see how that goes over the next 3 months after they made such a mess of player recruitment in the last year.
I asked a friend who is a long standing Cardiff supporter of his view on Slade, this is what he said:
"Having recently been in the Premiership and tasted the highlife,CCFC fans never saw his appointment(from League 1)as being ambitious enough to get us back - and so it proved. He was always on a bit of a loser from the start. Although we finished 7th this year the football wasn’t pretty and he got found out quite a few times tactically when the opposition changed tactics/put on subs and he didn’t react. His replacement,Trollop, is untested as a manager but I think he was very influential in the background when Slade was in.
Having said all that, I think he will do quite well - he was a ‘Yes’ man for Vincent Tan - a safe pair of hands and did what he was told - cut the wage bill - sold the expensive players and bought cheap . If he can deal with Tan he can deal with anyone!!"
I asked a friend who is a long standing Cardiff supporter of his view on Slade, this is what he said:
"Having recently been in the Premiership and tasted the highlife,CCFC fans never saw his appointment(from League 1)as being ambitious enough to get us back - and so it proved. He was always on a bit of a loser from the start. Although we finished 7th this year the football wasn’t pretty and he got found out quite a few times tactically when the opposition changed tactics/put on subs and he didn’t react. His replacement,Trollop, is untested as a manager but I think he was very influential in the background when Slade was in.
Having said all that, I think he will do quite well - he was a ‘Yes’ man for Vincent Tan - a safe pair of hands and did what he was told - cut the wage bill - sold the expensive players and bought cheap . If he can deal with Tan he can deal with anyone!!"
slade seems exactly the sort of manager we need - somebody who can make the sum more than the total of the parts - if you have that, allied to the academy production line then that is a 'model' that may actually work. putting this experiment / farm lark to one side for a minute - can any of us really say that having a strong academy, running a tight solvent ship and having a good manager isn't the way forward for us? i think we've established over the last 10 years that there aren't any sugar daddies out there looking to lavish their wealth on us. Some obviously believe there are but they've never really made themselves known have they or are they always on holiday when the club is actually up for sale?
The problem is "working" for RD and KM may mean nothing more than finishing 21st in the Championship every season, breaking even and rather than building a team around the best players from the academy selling one or two every season to fund it all.
As a club we could and should be much more than that. I don't expect Premier League football but we should have higher ambitions than just surviving in the Championship and that should show in the way the squad is built, managers staying on longer term etc.
Maybe they'll go on to prove otherwise but this is only a start. One of the next steps is to build a squad to take us back up. I'd like to see how that goes over the next 3 months after they made such a mess of player recruitment in the last year.
don't disagree with any of that - lets give things a chance next year, at least to start with and the whole protest thing can be re assessed surely
It's a shame it's taken a completely avoidable and unnecessary relegation to League One for Roland Duchatelet and Katrien Meire to realise they couldn't keep appointing nobodies from the depths of Belgian football and turn to an average British manager.
One thing it does prove, is that the protests are working.
It's got so bad when I saw this was breaking news this morning on sky sports, I didn't even bother to look twice or carry on listening for details. Instead I chose to help my missus pack the cases....uninspiring, pointless appointment of a highly ordinary bloke who has been gifted his time in the sport. So far, incapable of gaining a promotion, but good at being a yes man and 'managing' a team on a budget thinner than Peter stringfellows thong.
Whilst I'm surprised at his appointment, mainly because my pet goldfish has a higher profile than him, I'm not surprised the regime picked someone as magnolia as him. He's British. Box ticked. He's managed in league 1 before. Box ticked. No one else would work with us. Box ticked.
im less surprised at the predictable Charlton mentality though....'give the bloke a chance' 'maybe this is the start we need' 'perhaps they've listened to us'......please! He's agreed to work with KM and RD....the scum of the earth. What does that say about him?
The Board are under pressure so they take on a English manager to sway the faint hard customers for another season and they think quell the anger.
Wilder turns them down reportedly, because he could not get a guarantee to manage with autonomy.
Yet we are now expected to believe everything is great in wonderland because they have secured the services of a lower division journeymen who has probably worked out he could end up with 3 years salary for 6 months work.
agreed but for now i just hope people renew and get down there next year and we have a good season and go up - however belated i do believe they have changed strategy, want and are going for promotion and that will suit everybody.
While I do agree with some of what you say, I think it'd be ridiculous to renew after an single appointment, in fact, even if they go ahead and sign every decent player under the sun I still won't. It's gonna take a lot more than a decent summer to persuade me and many others to go back. Not to say I won't be supporting the team and going to away games but renewing is simply out of the question.
i was going to renew anyway - i've not renewed straight away in protest but i won't have any owner stopping me from going to charlton matches - thats the reality and i don't care how bad it gets, its what i do and always will do.
i was going to renew anyway - i've not renewed straight away in protest but i won't have any owner stopping me from going to charlton matches - thats the reality and i don't care how bad it gets, its what i do and always will do.
Don't have to buy a season ticket & commit your money up front to go to matches, Doucher....
It's atrocious, if in interview one he said "Roland is obviously mad, and the CEO is even worse, but Im going for it for the good of the Charlton people" then Id like him...
anything else, Im out...
It confirms again how far we have fallen to have this guy here.
It's atrocious, if in interview one he said "Roland is obviously mad, and the CEO is even worse, but Im going for it for the good of the Charlton people" then Id like him...
anything else, Im out...
It confirms again how far we have fallen to have this guy here.
On with the protests.
If Duchatelet was to sell tomorrow. Given our current league one Position. Who would you replace Slade with ?
Seriously. Some people have a ridiculous expectation
I'm still massively uneasy with the whole fact that they didn't give Wilder written assurances over football and the fact that Slade has taken the job. Can't see them changing their mind in the 2 weeks in between, and worry that Slade has accepted knowing he won't have full control. If this is the case then an irrelevant appointment.
Only time will tell. I welcome the fact he's British, I welcome the fact he's had a long career at the lower levels. I just can't trust any act under this regime anymore
Also, for me, massive amount to be done on the playing front. Assuming player departures, this is the team for me next season
Pope
Solly, Bauer, Lennon, Fox
RW, Cousins/Kashi CM LW
CF, CF
I honestly believe it's that bleak in that squad, and that's a lot of positions to fill
Wilder got all he wanted .... his own backroom staff full control and 4x wages........
Lisbie has been saddened by the decline of Charlton, whose academy nurtured his talent. “I went to a reunion recently and a lot of people were not happy,” he said.
It's a shame it's taken a completely avoidable and unnecessary relegation to League One for Roland Duchatelet and Katrien Meire to realise they couldn't keep appointing nobodies from the depths of Belgian football and turn to an average British manager.
One thing it does prove, is that the protests are working.
Exactly. So why take the pressure off by stopping them? I don't believe CARD and the people that support them have gone to all this effort, and expense, to be placated by the arrival of Slade FFS. So we marched to the Valley with the CAFC coffin and then Roland balloon, persuaded sponsors to leave, got 2 games delayed and invaded the pitch all for the long awaited appointment of Slade. I don't think so.
The passion behind the crowd singing 'we want Roland out' when the beach balls were thrown on the pitch for the first game we got delayed will stay with me. We must continue the protests until he's gone, he's destroying our club. It's way way too late for compromise - ROLAND OUT.
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If he wants to win fans over - and good luck with that - he will actually face journalists, if not fans, and answer tough questions to clear the air. Anything on cafc.co.uk is a waste of time.
Has he got the balls to stand up to our owners? I'm not so sure.
But I would imagine he'll be good with the players and will at least have some tactical sense and knowledge of the lower leagues. I'll support him 100%.
The next questions are; is he allowed to chose his own backroom team and will he sign the players HE wants?
I'm sceptical. I can't see RD and KM suddenly giving away control.
We know he's not the problem and might just be with a lot of luck part of the solution.
The unfair critisism of Slade at this point on here is altogether just too tiresome.
It's not as he's failed to take one of the favourites up from League One. We're by far the biggest club he's managed at this level.
That said I'm not expecting much because I don't think he'll be allowed to build a strong enough squad. League One won't change RD and KMs plans for several academy players to break through and the way to force that to happen is by keeping the squad size small.
Also, three interested parties made their interest known last season. Roland could have sold then. Now you say he wants to get us back into the Championship before he sells. What will change then to make him sell?
As a club we could and should be much more than that. I don't expect Premier League football but we should have higher ambitions than just surviving in the Championship and that should show in the way the squad is built, managers staying on longer term etc.
Maybe they'll go on to prove otherwise but this is only a start. One of the next steps is to build a squad to take us back up. I'd like to see how that goes over the next 3 months after they made such a mess of player recruitment in the last year.
"Having recently been in the Premiership and tasted the highlife,CCFC fans never saw his appointment(from League 1)as being ambitious enough to get us back - and so it proved. He was always on a bit of a loser from the start. Although we finished 7th this year the football wasn’t pretty and he got found out quite a few times tactically when the opposition changed tactics/put on subs and he didn’t react.
His replacement,Trollop, is untested as a manager but I think he was very influential in the background when Slade was in.
Having said all that, I think he will do quite well - he was a ‘Yes’ man for Vincent Tan - a safe pair of hands and did what he was told - cut the wage bill - sold the expensive players and bought cheap . If he can deal with Tan he can deal with anyone!!"
Sounds just what we need?
One thing it does prove, is that the protests are working.
Whilst I'm surprised at his appointment, mainly because my pet goldfish has a higher profile than him, I'm not surprised the regime picked someone as magnolia as him. He's British. Box ticked. He's managed in league 1 before. Box ticked. No one else would work with us. Box ticked.
im less surprised at the predictable Charlton mentality though....'give the bloke a chance' 'maybe this is the start we need' 'perhaps they've listened to us'......please! He's agreed to work with KM and RD....the scum of the earth. What does that say about him?
Wilder turns them down reportedly, because he could not get a guarantee to manage with autonomy.
Yet we are now expected to believe everything is great in wonderland because they have secured the services of a lower division journeymen who has probably worked out he could end up with 3 years salary for 6 months work.
anything else, Im out...
It confirms again how far we have fallen to have this guy here.
On with the protests.
Seriously. Some people have a ridiculous expectation
http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/article.cfm?id=118339&headline=Exclusive: Former Charlton striker backing Russell Slade to win promotion from League One&sectionIs=sport&searchyear=2016
Lisbie has been saddened by the decline of Charlton, whose academy nurtured his talent.
“I went to a reunion recently and a lot of people were not happy,” he said.
The passion behind the crowd singing 'we want Roland out' when the beach balls were thrown on the pitch for the first game we got delayed will stay with me. We must continue the protests until he's gone, he's destroying our club. It's way way too late for compromise - ROLAND OUT.