Did Varney breach any confidentiality clauses when he published the emails in VOTV?
A fair question, and it would depend upon what, if anything, was in place NDA-wise. As I posted before, I get the impression from the emails that talks hadn't even evolved to a stage where an NDA was in place, or even needed (or the British equivalent, should have noted in my previous post that there may be a different system over there, though when I've done business overseas it's been pretty standard).
Playing devil's advocate, you could say that it was "less-than-professional" of Varney to release his email chain. He was, after all, inquiring about the sale of a business which is apparently not up for sale. Just as I alluded to a professionalism regarding not sharing another party's information or plans before a formal NDA is in place, releasing an email thread could be seen as bad form.
That said, I think it was quite a shrewd move from a business perspective, and had the desired effect--put more pressure on the SMT. Furthermore, his complaint was a communication breakdown and flakiness/lack of courtesy on behalf of RD/KM to meet with him. If nothing else, for me that makes things about even.
I think KM viewed this claim about Varney as a shrewd business move on her part. And if you take the logic that Varney releasing information that made the regime look bad as being shrewd, then you could make the case that KM releasing damning information about Varney was shrewd too...except for the fact that you can't just say shit, it has to be true. Especially in the internet age. Especially when you're embattled in your position.
Lastly, and for what it's worth, I would be very surprised if Varney disclosed a re-location without an NDA in place. Even if you put everything else, all histories and whatnot aside, I still can't imagine him being that thorough in a plan without protection in place.
There has never been any non-disclosure agreement put in place between Varney and the current regime (or with any relevant third party).
Cheers AB. You don't have to answer this as I don't want you to give away privileged information, but would it be a somewhat fair summation to say "that's because serious talks never took place, given the breakdown seemed to happen at the 'getting the regime to sit down and talk' phase?"
Talks about talks.
Varney's emails or attempts at a meeting were largely ignored from what I could pick up, can't even imagine they got to the NDA stage.
Also begs the question why KM pulled this statement out of her backside. If they didn''t even enter talks, how can she know what Varney's intentions were,
clairvoyance is suddenly something our CEO is now capable of it would seem
Varney said yesterday that he's spoken to Roland.
However what remains to be seen is whether or not that was actually yesterday and as a result of Roland's CEO speaking to the press and making an untrue and incorrect assertation and, in essence, defaming him.
It wasn't too clear.
I must've missed this. I always thought it was just a string of emails asking for a meeting, and VArney got pushed back down to the biscuit and nothing ever materialised
Did Varney breach any confidentiality clauses when he published the emails in VOTV?
A fair question, and it would depend upon what, if anything, was in place NDA-wise. As I posted before, I get the impression from the emails that talks hadn't even evolved to a stage where an NDA was in place, or even needed (or the British equivalent, should have noted in my previous post that there may be a different system over there, though when I've done business overseas it's been pretty standard).
Playing devil's advocate, you could say that it was "less-than-professional" of Varney to release his email chain. He was, after all, inquiring about the sale of a business which is apparently not up for sale. Just as I alluded to a professionalism regarding not sharing another party's information or plans before a formal NDA is in place, releasing an email thread could be seen as bad form.
That said, I think it was quite a shrewd move from a business perspective, and had the desired effect--put more pressure on the SMT. Furthermore, his complaint was a communication breakdown and flakiness/lack of courtesy on behalf of RD/KM to meet with him. If nothing else, for me that makes things about even.
I think KM viewed this claim about Varney as a shrewd business move on her part. And if you take the logic that Varney releasing information that made the regime look bad as being shrewd, then you could make the case that KM releasing damning information about Varney was shrewd too...except for the fact that you can't just say shit, it has to be true. Especially in the internet age. Especially when you're embattled in your position.
Lastly, and for what it's worth, I would be very surprised if Varney disclosed a re-location without an NDA in place. Even if you put everything else, all histories and whatnot aside, I still can't imagine him being that thorough in a plan without protection in place.
There has never been any non-disclosure agreement put in place between Varney and the current regime (or with any relevant third party).
Cheers AB. You don't have to answer this as I don't want you to give away privileged information, but would it be a somewhat fair summation to say "that's because serious talks never took place, given the breakdown seemed to happen at the 'getting the regime to sit down and talk' phase?"
Talks about talks.
Varney's emails or attempts at a meeting were largely ignored from what I could pick up, can't even imagine they got to the NDA stage.
Also begs the question why KM pulled this statement out of her backside. If they didn''t even enter talks, how can she know what Varney's intentions were,
clairvoyance is suddenly something our CEO is now capable of it would seem
Did Varney breach any confidentiality clauses when he published the emails in VOTV?
A fair question, and it would depend upon what, if anything, was in place NDA-wise. As I posted before, I get the impression from the emails that talks hadn't even evolved to a stage where an NDA was in place, or even needed (or the British equivalent, should have noted in my previous post that there may be a different system over there, though when I've done business overseas it's been pretty standard).
Playing devil's advocate, you could say that it was "less-than-professional" of Varney to release his email chain. He was, after all, inquiring about the sale of a business which is apparently not up for sale. Just as I alluded to a professionalism regarding not sharing another party's information or plans before a formal NDA is in place, releasing an email thread could be seen as bad form.
That said, I think it was quite a shrewd move from a business perspective, and had the desired effect--put more pressure on the SMT. Furthermore, his complaint was a communication breakdown and flakiness/lack of courtesy on behalf of RD/KM to meet with him. If nothing else, for me that makes things about even.
I think KM viewed this claim about Varney as a shrewd business move on her part. And if you take the logic that Varney releasing information that made the regime look bad as being shrewd, then you could make the case that KM releasing damning information about Varney was shrewd too...except for the fact that you can't just say shit, it has to be true. Especially in the internet age. Especially when you're embattled in your position.
Lastly, and for what it's worth, I would be very surprised if Varney disclosed a re-location without an NDA in place. Even if you put everything else, all histories and whatnot aside, I still can't imagine him being that thorough in a plan without protection in place.
There has never been any non-disclosure agreement put in place between Varney and the current regime (or with any relevant third party).
Cheers AB. You don't have to answer this as I don't want you to give away privileged information, but would it be a somewhat fair summation to say "that's because serious talks never took place, given the breakdown seemed to happen at the 'getting the regime to sit down and talk' phase?"
Talks about talks.
During the talks about talks, was it ever discussed where the actual talks were to take place? Because, if PV suggested, during the talks about talks that the talks should take place somewhere other than the Valley, I can see how a dim-witted CEO might have misinterpretated it somewhat.
He offered to travel to Belgium initially as per the emails, and didn't he ask not to do it at The Valley specifically?
Surely even Katrien isn't stupid enough not to understand the need for some privacy and discretion over the location of the talks?
Something you would call a housing development that, for sure.
This mans intentions are tax avoidance and income from other streams, hotels and housing and such. Can offset taxes on the losses of the Club also, lower league helps him.. He needs us as fans to just be quiet and accept, so we need to do the polar opposite.
OK I am very, very confused, The above sits very comfortably with my conspiracy theory, Mr RD is a successful €.5 billion businessman so clearly he isn't daft, likewise KM is a corporate lawyer working in the RD regime and I seriously doubt for one second she is not fully in control of the situation she finds herself in, I don't think for one minute she expected it to unfold the way it has and probably finds it quite unpleasant, I reckon she is the consummate professional and very tough with it, I will not lower my opinion to insults or name calling of a personal nature, she is paid to do a job and she is doing it within the parameters set by the regime.
Sadly for the club in my conspiracy theory I think RD maybe sees hotels and flats ideally located around a lower league club / championship -for occasional weekend entertainment and events - perfectly situated in an international city with readily accessible close transit system, otherwise I just do not get why this regime allowed last year to unfold the way it did. Furthermore
I think they somehow envisage a business model of football grounds providing lucrative, reasonably priced real estate in central city locations with excellent business structures to manage the overall business on a global scale and the academy as a CAT 1 feeder style academy providing a steady stream of quality youth players into the club and selling off the cream of this talent to higher div clubs, hence the obvious investment in the TG to achieve this, Last season, they did make a huge mistake as I do not think they envisaged relegation and this has undoubtedly messed up the academy plans as you cannot achieve CAT 1 status as a league 1 club hence work has ceased/ slowed up as the TG.... and herein lies the dilemma, it appears to me they have no real understanding of passion for football or in our instance Charlton as a club and while this is missing I think as a football club we will suffer.
Positively I wish Russell Slade, Steve Head the very best of luck in their new roles and will take these appointment as a positive step towards recovery from last season.
The somewhat huge snag with your theory is that Meire is not, never has been and never will be a "successful corporate lawyer". Her past employment record speaks for itself. There is nothing to show that she has ever done anything which merits the use of such a description.
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Feck me you have to be on ya toes in here these days, interpretation of post, Grammar police etc
I know we don't like to credit her with having too much intelligence. But I think we all agree that she doesn't want any takeover to occur, or she's out of a job. Could this be a ploy to flush Peter Varney out, get him talking about discussions with Roland, so as to get Roland to pull the plug on any takeover involving Varney? I wouldn't put it past her, she's in a desperate situation, fighting for survival.
She knows she has lost the fan base but given that she has shown no evidence before of engaging with fans I do wonder if indeed her comments were the words of Duchatelet coming from Katrien. We know he has interfered to defend her before (with the wierd/unique 'misunderstanding' thing). Did he tell her to say what she did to cast her in a different light?
Did he think it was two positives (the Slade appointment plus we have defended the Club against an unwanted move from The Valley?) I think it possible given the warped thinking which seems to pervade RD decision making.
Look at it from the other side of the English Channel for a moment. Squirrel Face is held in high esteem by Rat; she's an intelligent, courageous woman in a business largely dominated by men, and through all the adversity, the racial and mysoginistic abuse, she fights on in the face of all that hostility and runs the club the way Roland wants. They've been friends a long time, and Charlton is his gift to her: her very own personal fiefdom. The fault lies with the fanbase who are unwilling to change or accept Roland's progressive and highly successful idea for a network of clubs, and Charlton's role within it. It's very much a mentor/prodigé scenario, and I'm sure in the great scheme of things there's an eventual place in his empire already earmarked for her. Until then, we're stuck with her.
To that end, her attitude to Peter Varney is probably 'publish and be damned'. She's untouchble and she knows it. In any event, she's off to Portugal next week so she won't be there to receive the flak.
Personally she has the same effect on me as Thatcher and Bliar - the envy to vomit every time I see them or they open their mouths.
I know we don't like to credit her with having too much intelligence. But I think we all agree that she doesn't want any takeover to occur, or she's out of a job. Could this be a ploy to flush Peter Varney out, get him talking about discussions with Roland, so as to get Roland to pull the plug on any takeover involving Varney? I wouldn't put it past her, she's in a desperate situation, fighting for survival.
She's not actually that bright or cunning. I prefer the stupidity explanation, like a child blurting out a lie to try to get off the hook without a moment's thought that the lie will simply result in you further in the mire.
While she's at it maybe she would like to explain what the meeting between RM and the Sheffield Utd chairman Kevin McCabe was about on the morning of SCP'S last match in charge , surely that wasn't about the potential of a move to the Peninsula was it Richard
RM follows me on here, he was asking Kevin McCabe if Sheff Utd really are going to come good
While she's at it maybe she would like to explain what the meeting between RM and the Sheffield Utd chairman Kevin McCabe was about on the morning of SCP'S last match in charge , surely that wasn't about the potential of a move to the Peninsula was it Richard
RM follows me on here, he was asking Kevin McCabe if Sheff Utd really are going to come good
I know we don't like to credit her with having too much intelligence. But I think we all agree that she doesn't want any takeover to occur, or she's out of a job. Could this be a ploy to flush Peter Varney out, get him talking about discussions with Roland, so as to get Roland to pull the plug on any takeover involving Varney? I wouldn't put it past her, she's in a desperate situation, fighting for survival.
She's not actually that bright or cunning. I prefer the stupidity explanation, like a child blurting out a lie to try to get off the hook without a moment's thought that the lie will simply result in you further in the mire.
As I've said before, from an armchair psychologist's point of view, she does possess sociopathic tendencies. Pathological lying (numerous examples), Inability to apologise (ditto), Lack of empathy (does not associate with fans / history), Deviation from accepted moral (pitch sex tape), and social norms (Belittling of any audience best typified by the 'thought I'd gone through this before' sarcastic comment at the beginning of the kiddies powerpoint).
How much intelligence or pre-meditation there is behind it all is anyone's guess.
Her problem is that she is incapable of simply and safely parroting RD or RM. She invariably garbles the message in a way that comes across as a combination of arrogant/absurd/deceitful, like she can't be arsed to get it right.
Something you would call a housing development that, for sure.
This mans intentions are tax avoidance and income from other streams, hotels and housing and such. Can offset taxes on the losses of the Club also, lower league helps him.. He needs us as fans to just be quiet and accept, so we need to do the polar opposite.
OK I am very, very confused, The above sits very comfortably with my conspiracy theory, Mr RD is a successful €.5 billion businessman so clearly he isn't daft, likewise KM is a corporate lawyer working in the RD regime and I seriously doubt for one second she is not fully in control of the situation she finds herself in, I don't think for one minute she expected it to unfold the way it has and probably finds it quite unpleasant, I reckon she is the consummate professional and very tough with it, I will not lower my opinion to insults or name calling of a personal nature, she is paid to do a job and she is doing it within the parameters set by the regime.
Sadly for the club in my conspiracy theory I think RD maybe sees hotels and flats ideally located around a lower league club / championship -for occasional weekend entertainment and events - perfectly situated in an international city with readily accessible close transit system, otherwise I just do not get why this regime allowed last year to unfold the way it did. Furthermore
I think they somehow envisage a business model of football grounds providing lucrative, reasonably priced real estate in central city locations with excellent business structures to manage the overall business on a global scale and the academy as a CAT 1 feeder style academy providing a steady stream of quality youth players into the club and selling off the cream of this talent to higher div clubs, hence the obvious investment in the TG to achieve this, Last season, they did make a huge mistake as I do not think they envisaged relegation and this has undoubtedly messed up the academy plans as you cannot achieve CAT 1 status as a league 1 club hence work has ceased/ slowed up as the TG.... and herein lies the dilemma, it appears to me they have no real understanding of passion for football or in our instance Charlton as a club and while this is missing I think as a football club we will suffer.
Positively I wish Russell Slade, Steve Head the very best of luck in their new roles and will take these appointment as a positive step towards recovery from last season.
The somewhat huge snag with your theory is that Meire is not, never has been and never will be a "successful corporate lawyer". Her past employment record speaks for itself. There is nothing to show that she has ever done anything which merits the use of such a description.
Corrected Have removed the word 'successful' - just for you ...
Feck me you have to be on ya toes in here these days, interpretation of post, Grammar police etc
I think you'll find that's 'grammar police' or, possibly, 'Grammar Police' but certainly not 'Grammar police'.
Peter has probably been on record as CEO, registering an interest in the Peninsula as well as the Olympic stadium just to protect our club from competition. Doesn't mean he want's to move the club but allows the lying bitch to muddy the waters.
Something you would call a housing development that, for sure.
This mans intentions are tax avoidance and income from other streams, hotels and housing and such. Can offset taxes on the losses of the Club also, lower league helps him.. He needs us as fans to just be quiet and accept, so we need to do the polar opposite.
OK I am very, very confused, The above sits very comfortably with my conspiracy theory, Mr RD is a successful €.5 billion businessman so clearly he isn't daft, likewise KM is a corporate lawyer working in the RD regime and I seriously doubt for one second she is not fully in control of the situation she finds herself in, I don't think for one minute she expected it to unfold the way it has and probably finds it quite unpleasant, I reckon she is the consummate professional and very tough with it, I will not lower my opinion to insults or name calling of a personal nature, she is paid to do a job and she is doing it within the parameters set by the regime.
Sadly for the club in my conspiracy theory I think RD maybe sees hotels and flats ideally located around a lower league club / championship -for occasional weekend entertainment and events - perfectly situated in an international city with readily accessible close transit system, otherwise I just do not get why this regime allowed last year to unfold the way it did. Furthermore
I think they somehow envisage a business model of football grounds providing lucrative, reasonably priced real estate in central city locations with excellent business structures to manage the overall business on a global scale and the academy as a CAT 1 feeder style academy providing a steady stream of quality youth players into the club and selling off the cream of this talent to higher div clubs, hence the obvious investment in the TG to achieve this, Last season, they did make a huge mistake as I do not think they envisaged relegation and this has undoubtedly messed up the academy plans as you cannot achieve CAT 1 status as a league 1 club hence work has ceased/ slowed up as the TG.... and herein lies the dilemma, it appears to me they have no real understanding of passion for football or in our instance Charlton as a club and while this is missing I think as a football club we will suffer.
Positively I wish Russell Slade, Steve Head the very best of luck in their new roles and will take these appointment as a positive step towards recovery from last season.
The somewhat huge snag with your theory is that Meire is not, never has been and never will be a "successful corporate lawyer". Her past employment record speaks for itself. There is nothing to show that she has ever done anything which merits the use of such a description.
Corrected Have removed the word 'successful' - just for you ...
Feck me you have to be on ya toes in here these days, interpretation of post, Grammar police etc
I think you'll find that's 'grammar police' or, possibly, 'Grammar Police' but certainly not 'Grammar police'.
Doh, thought I'd nailed it as well, clearly need more practise
Something you would call a housing development that, for sure.
This mans intentions are tax avoidance and income from other streams, hotels and housing and such. Can offset taxes on the losses of the Club also, lower league helps him.. He needs us as fans to just be quiet and accept, so we need to do the polar opposite.
OK I am very, very confused, The above sits very comfortably with my conspiracy theory, Mr RD is a successful €.5 billion businessman so clearly he isn't daft, likewise KM is a corporate lawyer working in the RD regime and I seriously doubt for one second she is not fully in control of the situation she finds herself in, I don't think for one minute she expected it to unfold the way it has and probably finds it quite unpleasant, I reckon she is the consummate professional and very tough with it, I will not lower my opinion to insults or name calling of a personal nature, she is paid to do a job and she is doing it within the parameters set by the regime.
Sadly for the club in my conspiracy theory I think RD maybe sees hotels and flats ideally located around a lower league club / championship -for occasional weekend entertainment and events - perfectly situated in an international city with readily accessible close transit system, otherwise I just do not get why this regime allowed last year to unfold the way it did. Furthermore
I think they somehow envisage a business model of football grounds providing lucrative, reasonably priced real estate in central city locations with excellent business structures to manage the overall business on a global scale and the academy as a CAT 1 feeder style academy providing a steady stream of quality youth players into the club and selling off the cream of this talent to higher div clubs, hence the obvious investment in the TG to achieve this, Last season, they did make a huge mistake as I do not think they envisaged relegation and this has undoubtedly messed up the academy plans as you cannot achieve CAT 1 status as a league 1 club hence work has ceased/ slowed up as the TG.... and herein lies the dilemma, it appears to me they have no real understanding of passion for football or in our instance Charlton as a club and while this is missing I think as a football club we will suffer.
Positively I wish Russell Slade, Steve Head the very best of luck in their new roles and will take these appointment as a positive step towards recovery from last season.
The somewhat huge snag with your theory is that Meire is not, never has been and never will be a "successful corporate lawyer". Her past employment record speaks for itself. There is nothing to show that she has ever done anything which merits the use of such a description.
Corrected Have removed the word 'successful' - just for you ...
Feck me you have to be on ya toes in here these days, interpretation of post, Grammar police etc
I think you'll find that's 'grammar police' or, possibly, 'Grammar Police' but certainly not 'Grammar police'.
Doh, thought I'd nailed it as well, clearly need more practise
I apologise if I have mislead anyone but I did refer to actual and or implied confidentiality. However I have to admit I am confused.
If there is no confidentiality agreement or even a communication under the banner of Strictly Private & Confidential then what exactly are the proposals to which Ms Meire is referring? If all we are talking about is "talks about talks" on what possible basis do they even constitute "proposals" let alone proposals to move the club.
If there is no retraction and all we are talking about having "talks about talks" what are the counter disclosures to be made by Mr Varney? Simply he has not even made any proposals? In which case why not just say so?
The events surrounding this club gets more bizarre by the day.
This communication is Strictly Private and Confidential and can in no way be construed as proposals concerning the purchase of the club and its subsequent relocation to Epping Forest.
It would be interesting to see if Varney does release the emails if the statement isn't retracted. If he doesn't go ahead with what he said he would do does that mean there is an element of truth?
I apologise if I have mislead anyone but I did refer to actual and or implied confidentiality. However I have to admit I am confused.
If there is no confidentiality agreement or even a communication under the banner of Strictly Private & Confidential then what exactly are the proposals to which Ms Meire is referring? If all we are talking about is "talks about talks" on what possible basis do they even constitute "proposals" let alone proposals to move the club.
If there is no retraction and all we are talking about having "talks about talks" what are the counter disclosures to be made by Mr Varney? Simply he has not even made any proposals? In which case why not just say so?
The events surrounding this club gets more bizarre by the day.
This communication is Strictly Private and Confidential and can in no way be construed as proposals concerning the purchase of the club and its subsequent relocation to Epping Forest.
U blown it now - everyone assumed u knew what u were talking about - just when the ceo position was in reach as well
I apologise if I have mislead anyone but I did refer to actual and or implied confidentiality. However I have to admit I am confused.
If there is no confidentiality agreement or even a communication under the banner of Strictly Private & Confidential then what exactly are the proposals to which Ms Meire is referring? If all we are talking about is "talks about talks" on what possible basis do they even constitute "proposals" let alone proposals to move the club.
If there is no retraction and all we are talking about having "talks about talks" what are the counter disclosures to be made by Mr Varney? Simply he has not even made any proposals? In which case why not just say so?
The events surrounding this club gets more bizarre by the day.
This communication is Strictly Private and Confidential and can in no way be construed as proposals concerning the purchase of the club and its subsequent relocation to Epping Forest.
Jesus H Christ if you're confused Grapevine what chance is there for the rest of us?
It would be interesting to see if Varney does release the emails if the statement isn't retracted. If he doesn't go ahead with what he said he would do does that mean there is an element of truth?
I really don't think Varney would have made that statement if there was any truth in Meire's comments.
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Corrected Have removed the word 'successful' - just for you
Feck me you have to be on ya toes in here these days, interpretation of post, Grammar police etc
They all need to go
Pathological lying (numerous examples),
Inability to apologise (ditto),
Lack of empathy (does not associate with fans / history),
Deviation from accepted moral (pitch sex tape),
and social norms (Belittling of any audience best typified by the 'thought I'd gone through this before' sarcastic comment at the beginning of the kiddies powerpoint).
How much intelligence or pre-meditation there is behind it all is anyone's guess.
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We're approaching the 24-hour mark: Peter Varney wants a retraction from Katrien Meire
Varney's emails against squirrel face and her big fat gob.
If there is no confidentiality agreement or even a communication under the banner of Strictly Private & Confidential then what exactly are the proposals to which Ms Meire is referring? If all we are talking about is "talks about talks" on what possible basis do they even constitute "proposals" let alone proposals to move the club.
If there is no retraction and all we are talking about having "talks about talks" what are the counter disclosures to be made by Mr Varney? Simply he has not even made any proposals? In which case why not just say so?
The events surrounding this club gets more bizarre by the day.
This communication is Strictly Private and Confidential and can in no way be construed as proposals concerning the purchase of the club and its subsequent relocation to Epping Forest.