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  • Should drive them into the fast lane for promotion?
  • It'll be interesting how Lowe gets on without his assistant
  • edited December 2021
    thenewbie said:
    thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
    That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."

    We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition. 
    Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't. 

    There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce.  Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder. 

    I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design.  Certainly in 3 of those cases.

    Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man. 

  • It'll be interesting how Lowe gets on without his assistant
    Or how Schumacher gets on without the hand break :wink:
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    thenewbie said:
    thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
    That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."

    We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition. 
    Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't. 

    There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce.  Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder. 

    I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design.  Certainly in 3 of those cases.

    Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man. 


    Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.

    Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards. 

    That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    thenewbie said:
    thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
    That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."

    We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition. 
    Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't. 

    There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce.  Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder. 

    I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design.  Certainly in 3 of those cases.

    Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man. 


    Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.

    Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards. 

    That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.
    And disaterus 12th and 13th place finishes.

    I am not a massive fan of Bruce but I think the general principle is sound though.  There are many good/successful managers that are as old or older as Bruce.

    No one is to blame for Newcastle bar Ashley, if indeed there needs to be any blame for a club that haven't been out of the top flight for more than 1 season in 30 years. 
  • Championship side Preston North End have named Plymouth Argyle boss Ryan Lowe as their new manager.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59565107


  • edited December 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    thenewbie said:
    thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
    That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."

    We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition. 
    Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't. 

    There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce.  Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder. 

    I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design.  Certainly in 3 of those cases.

    Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man. 


    Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.

    Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards. 

    That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.
    Pretty sure Rafa spent over £100m in his 3 years in charge as well

    There is no denying their fans were against Bruce from the start and made it almost impossible for him to succeed.

    He could have won the league and they would have moaned it wasn't by enough points 

  • Jack Ross has left his role as Hibernian manager just over a week before he was due to lead them out in the Scottish League Cup final.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59591315
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  • clive said:
    Jack Ross has left his role as Hibernian manager just over a week before he was due to lead them out in the Scottish League Cup final.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59591315
    Sunderland should bring him back, so that they can lose against us under him at Wembley for a second time  :)
  • clive said:
    Jack Ross has left his role as Hibernian manager just over a week before he was due to lead them out in the Scottish League Cup final.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59591315
    Signed a contract extension to 2024 just 5 months ago. Nice little pay off.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    thenewbie said:
    thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
    That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."

    We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition. 
    Bruce's record at Newcastle was almost identical to Raffa's one is a hero, one isn't. 

    There is always a young generation of managers coming through Jackson is 10 years younger than Pep, who is 10 years younger than Bruce.  Klopp is the same age as Adkins, as to is Wilder. 

    I know our 4 most successful managers of the modern age were young, first timers, but it was hardly by design.  Certainly in 3 of those cases.

    Far to much is made about age of managers and being yesterdays man. 


    Newcastle fans love Rafa because he stuck with them in the championship, got them to 10th in his first season back up, and then had them playing good football the following season. In the second half of the 18-19 season Newcastle were 6th top scorers. And he did it all on a net spend of practically zero. He left because he'd had enough of Mike Ashley and said (pretty accurately) that Ashley didn't care about the club.

    Steve Bruce spent over 100m, played turgid football and took them backwards. 

    That's why one is loved, and one is seen as a disaster.
    Pretty sure Rafa spent over £100m in his 3 years in charge as well

    There is no denying their fans were against Bruce from the start and made it almost impossible for him to succeed.

    He could have won the league and they would have moaned it wasn't by enough points 

    I'm referring to net spend.

    Benitez
    16/17 - +36m
    17/18 - -25m
    18/19 - -8m
    Net spend of 3m

    Bruce
    19/20 - -37m
    20/21 - -38m
    21/22 - -29m
    Net spend of 104m
  • clive said:
    Jack Ross has left his role as Hibernian manager just over a week before he was due to lead them out in the Scottish League Cup final.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59591315
    Sacked by Ben Kensell Chief Executive formally of Norwich City and Charlton. 
  • Harris seems to be one of the favourites for the Ipswich job


  • Kuqi has a career win rate of 34.51 according to wiki.  Hope he gets it.

    Mcinnes has a good record at Aberdeen but lost half his matches at Bristol City
  • Ipswich Town have appointed Manchester United assistant first-team coach Kieran McKenna as their new manager.
  • Ipswich Town have appointed Manchester United assistant first-team coach Kieran McKenna as their new manager.
    Only because Paul was unavailable...... 
  • 3.5 year contract

    I wonder if he will be sacked before Thomas gives Jacko the job permanently
  • That's a strange appointment from Ipswich. You throw a ton of money at the team to sign a bunch of all-stars but then pick up a completely unproven manager?

    McKenna walks into that Ipswich dressing room with zero experience as the boss, having had no playing career to back him up... And he's supposed to turn it around with a clearly miserable group of players. Where is his authority with that group coming from. 
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  • Chunes said:
    That's a strange appointment from Ipswich. You throw a ton of money at the team to sign a bunch of all-stars but then pick up a completely unproven manager?

    McKenna walks into that Ipswich dressing room with zero experience as the boss, having had no playing career to back him up... And he's supposed to turn it around with a clearly miserable group of players. Where is his authority with that group coming from. 
    It is bit of a gamble, but it’s great to see teams going for younger managers rather than dinosaurs like Allardyce, Hughes, Adkins and co.
    Mckenna is well thought of as well. 
  • Chunes said:
    That's a strange appointment from Ipswich. You throw a ton of money at the team to sign a bunch of all-stars but then pick up a completely unproven manager?

    McKenna walks into that Ipswich dressing room with zero experience as the boss, having had no playing career to back him up... And he's supposed to turn it around with a clearly miserable group of players. Where is his authority with that group coming from. 
    It is bit of a gamble, but it’s great to see teams going for younger managers rather than dinosaurs like Allardyce, Hughes, Adkins and co.
    Mckenna is well thought of as well. 
    There are very few experienced managers now in L1, the likes of Steve Evans, Karl Robinson and Steve Cotterill are the exception

  • edited December 2021
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59664751

    Shaun Maloney has been appointed Hibernian manager on a three-and-a-half-year deal.
    The former Celtic and Scotland player, 38, leaves his role as Belgium assistant to replace Jack Ross and take on his first managerial job.

    Going from working with KDB, Lukaku, Hazard etc to managing Hibs...
  • Jim Duffy has left his post as Ayr United manager after just over two months in the role.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59730058
  • Fleetwood Town are delighted to confirm the appointment of Stephen Crainey as Head Coach until the end of the season following a successful spell as interim.
    https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/december/crainey-announcement/
  • edited December 2021
    Chunes said:
    That's a strange appointment from Ipswich. You throw a ton of money at the team to sign a bunch of all-stars but then pick up a completely unproven manager?

    McKenna walks into that Ipswich dressing room with zero experience as the boss, having had no playing career to back him up... And he's supposed to turn it around with a clearly miserable group of players. Where is his authority with that group coming from. 
    It is bit of a gamble, but it’s great to see teams going for younger managers rather than dinosaurs like Allardyce, Hughes, Adkins and co.
    Mckenna is well thought of as well. 
    There are very few experienced managers now in L1, the likes of Steve Evans, Karl Robinson and Steve Cotterill are the exception

    And people forget how young Karl Robinson is, he is only 2 years older than Jacko and younger than Bowyer.  I think he was only 35 when he got the job with us. 
  • edited December 2021



    Nice time to sack an assistant manager on Christmas Eve 


    Their boxing day game has already been called off as well, could have at least given him till Monday then sacked him
  • How many Managers could/would survive a run of 14 matches (5 draws and 9 defeats) without a win that resulted in a team dropping into the relegation zone?

    At that time Mansfield were facing exit from the Football League. To be fair to their Board, they stuck with Nigel Clough - and since then they have won 9 of their last 10 games, resulting in them currently sitting just 4 points off the Play Offs

    It's not always the right decision to sack a Manager. One can't help believing though, that someone new to the job would have been out the door a long time before. And that person might never have got the opportunity to manage again



  • Nice time to sack a manager on Christmas Eve 


    Their boxing day game has already been called off as well, could have at least given him till Monday then sacked him
    Assistant Manager.
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