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Managerial sackings, comings and goings

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  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    How many coaches did Ipswich have, if they can sack a manager PLUS 4 others?
  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    Is the VENUE still open?
  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    £2.6m compensation apparently. 
  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    How many coaches did Ipswich have, if they can sack a manager PLUS 4 others?
    Or are we light on coaches?
  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    How many coaches did Ipswich have, if they can sack a manager PLUS 4 others?
    Or are we light on coaches?
    We're light, Ipswich seemed overloaded, especially for L1
  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    How many coaches did Ipswich have, if they can sack a manager PLUS 4 others?
    Or are we light on coaches?
    We're light, Ipswich seemed overloaded, especially for L1
    They were planning for the championship 😂
  • Had no idea Francis Jeffers was part of Cook’s coaching team.
  • Scoham said:
    Had no idea Francis Jeffers was part of Cook’s coaching team.
    Looking him up, he had been doing some coaching at Everton before joining Cook and Ipswich

    One of the coaches sacked was the goalkeeping coach, it seems a bit drastic to sack him as well!
  • Must have been something horribly wrong going on there 
  • Scoham said:
    Had no idea Francis Jeffers was part of Cook’s coaching team.
    Looking him up, he had been doing some coaching at Everton before joining Cook and Ipswich

    One of the coaches sacked was the goalkeeping coach, it seems a bit drastic to sack him as well!
    Unless they've got someone lined up who wants their own team.
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  • edited December 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Chunes said:
    Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.

    Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.

    That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
    The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager.  Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't.  Often without rhyme or reason.

    Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong. 
    That's true to a certain extent. David Moyes is clearly a good manager but he was useless at United, Sunderland and Sociedad.

    Bobby Robson terrible in his first job at Fulham, then became a legend in his next at Ipswich and the rest is history.

    Rafa Benitez's first 2 jobs in Spain saw him sacked from both within a year, winning a combined 3 league games out of 32.

    Ranieri won the league at Leicester, when he went to Fulham he was awful and lasted about 3 months.

    Very very few managers are great everywhere they go.
  • edited December 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Chunes said:
    Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.

    Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.

    That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
    The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager.  Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't.  Often without rhyme or reason.

    Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong. 
    Agree, dowie, pardew, slade, Luzon, all had success elsewhere before they were rubbish for us. One exception.....

    fraye or whatever the waste of space was called. He will never be successful anywhere he goes
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Chunes said:
    Paul Cook... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Ipswich.

    Nigel Adkins... Very successful elsewhere... Fails at Charlton.

    That's just football isn't it. No grand conspiracies, outside meddling, or structural issues, etc. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good managers can fail on their own doing.
    The older I get the more convinced I am that, with very few exceptions at either end, there isn't such thing as a good or bad football manager.  Just right and wrong ones. Some fit like a pair of slippers, some don't.  Often without rhyme or reason.

    Saying that the more complex the structure is the less chance you have of getting the right one because there are more interactions that can be wrong. 
    Agree, dowie, pardew, slade, Luzon, all had success elsewhere before they were rubbish for us. One exception.....

    fraye or whatever the waste of space was called. He will never be successful anywhere he goes
    I don't know Toddy, Fraeye might make a good launderette manager.
  • 2 of our 3 next opponents (Ipswich and Plymouth) could be under caretaker management by the time we play them...
  • The sporting director at Everton was obviously the problem........ 
  • Championship side Preston North End have sacked head coach Frankie McAvoy.

    The Scot, 54, was appointed in May after a spell as interim boss following Alex Neil's departure in March.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59557063

  • 2 of our 3 next opponents (Ipswich and Plymouth) could be under caretaker management by the time we play them...
    Could be 3 if Bonner gets the Ipswich job... 
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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    The sporting director at Everton was obviously the problem........ 
    If he was responsible for their signings then that's pretty obvious. They've spent over 300m whilst he was there and gone backwards.
  • Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
  • clive said:

    Gary Roberts, Franny Jeffers, Ian Craney and John Keeley depart Portman Road

    John McGreal will be in charge of Town for Tuesday night’s trip to Charlton.

    https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/december/john-mcgreal-named-interim-manager/
    £2.6m compensation apparently. 
    someone's pension is a tad lighter
  • edited December 2021
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
  • Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    The sporting director at Everton was obviously the problem........ 
    If he was responsible for their signings then that's pretty obvious. They've spent over 300m whilst he was there and gone backwards.
    I don't disagree, especially if it was him that signed 5 10s in the same window but it was more tongue in cheek that they won as soon as they sacked him. 
  • thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
  • thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    So many variables, like does Schumacher go with him or does he want the Plymouth job himself?  Lowe (and Schumacher) was at Bury before Plymouth so not that much of an unfamiliar part of the country.

    Howe was exactly the right manager for Bournemouth and the wrong one for Burnley, who knows if he is the right one for Newcastle, or anyone else. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    So many variables, like does Schumacher go with him or does he want the Plymouth job himself?  Lowe (and Schumacher) was at Bury before Plymouth so not that much of an unfamiliar part of the country.

    Howe was exactly the right manager for Bournemouth and the wrong one for Burnley, who knows if he is the right one for Newcastle, or anyone else. 
    Both Lowe and Schumacher are scousers, so Preston is returning more or less home, whereas Howe was leaving his home area to go to Burnley

    The thing about Preston, is that they're a midtable Championship club. They don't have the crowds or sugar daddy to be a regular top 6 club, so realistically what can he achieve? They're a bit like Millwall, a good season will see them flirting with the playoffs, a bad season will see them flirting with the bottom 3, but generally they finish midtable
  • thenewbie said:
    Ryan Lowe set to become Preston manager. 
    He deserves it, not just saying so it cripples Plymouth

    Has done very well for the most part in his Managerial reign so far
    Be interesting to see if he can carry on his impressive work at Plymouth to another team. Another team in a higher division ins completely different part of the country will be a big adjustment for him. 

    Not to downplay his achievements but if you look at the likes of Eddie Howe sometimes a great manager for one club doesn't always mean great manager at another. 
    Dont forget Lowe had that success at Bury as well

    Effectively won promotion in back to back seasons with Bury and Plymouth.

    He did very well at a player in the Manchester / Liverpool area (more so than elsewhere) so is certainly going back home to an extent - Wonder if that too is going to be a bit of a lure as well for him.
    That is true, certainly I would be surprised if he doesn't do well at Preston but its definitely a gamble in terms of his career. He does well, he's jumped straight into contention for other Championship jobs and maybe beyond, if it does go wrong he risks being seen as a "lower league manager."

    We will hopefully see a new generation of managers coming through in the likes of Lowe and Jackson that will eventually lead to the end of the likes of Bruce being appointed purely on name recognition. 
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