It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission, and this should have been the approach taken by both FAs. They would have known what fifa's stance would've been well ahead of time.
There are much better ways to remember those who gave their lives than having a poppy sown into the international shirt. Seems a lot of fuss about nothing. Let's remember those who gave their lives by DONATING some money to their causes and saying a silent prayer during the minutes silence. This is what really matters.
The stupid thing is this should not be an issue at all, and so-called 'poppy fascism' or 'anti-poppy' nonsense always without fail dominates the news cycle this time of year, as opposed to, you know, the actual reason why poppies are even a symbol in the first place.
If you want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to wear one without rebuke.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
Just checking, CL: what do YOU wear the poppy for?
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it b) Engerland c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)
The Argentinian federation was fined a paltry 30k Swiss francs by FIFA for this:
So, IMO the FA (and the Scottish FA) should just do it anyway, take the financial hit, donate a similar amount to the Poppy Appeal and issue a joint press release basically saying we don't care what FIFA think.
The stupid thing is this should not be an issue at all, and so-called 'poppy fascism' or 'anti-poppy' nonsense always without fail dominates the news cycle this time of year, as opposed to, you know, the actual reason why poppies are even a symbol in the first place.
If you want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to wear one without rebuke.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
Just checking, CL: what do YOU wear the poppy for?
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it b) Engerland c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)
Just checking, CL: what do YOU wear the poppy for?
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it b) Engerland c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)
I don't wear a poppy. Apart from anything else, experience tells me it always falls off approximately 10 minutes after you've put it on. (I notice this year they've got wrist bands and other things). BUT I do donate to the British Legion which, of course, runs the appeal and supports ex-service people.
Wearing one is the same as wearing any other charity's symbol. Like the little men for the prostate cancer charity which seem to be compulsory wear for football managers and the like.
But while the poppies on football shirts thing is harmless, (don't the shirts tend to be auctioned off for the Legion's coffers?), I do find those little enamel joint club badge/poppy badges a bit odd and a tacky affectation.
The fact that both sides want to wear the same thing means that common sense should be applied, though of course it won't be. I do understand why FIFA don't want the precedent though, as a few well chosen symbols would certainly liven up some games, e.g. former Yugoslavia.
Technically the poppies worn by the English and Scottish are different but I take your point.
I think it's nonsense from FIFA and I'm sure a compromise could be found.
Is putting a printed poppy on a football team shirt is showing respect? The players themselves haven't made the choice so it's an empty gesture. Watch what they are wearing when they get off the coach and go to the dressing rooms. If they want to wear a poppy then they can make that decision themselves. Printing it onto somebody shows no honour. It could even be considered disrespectful in its idiocy.
I suppose that it doesn't do any harm really, but I do think that FIFA, and even other European countries, find it rather incomprehensible how anyone can feel it honours the war dead.
Remember too that prior to this century poppies were never printed onto team shirts. Were we therefore disrespectful between 1945-2000ish?
FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.
What a load of tosh!! How we mock what we don't understand!
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.
FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.
What a load of tosh!! How we mock what we don't understand!
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.
So it means different things to different people. That's the problem isn't it.
FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.
What a load of tosh!! How we mock what we don't understand!
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.
You think the First World War was a fight for freedom? From what? And if you say 'Prussian militarism' I'll know you're pissing about.
What a load of bollocks. The annual CL poppy debate with the expected combatants sniffing around each others arses for a chance to bite and longing for justified offence.
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Let's remember those who gave their lives by DONATING some money to their causes and saying a silent prayer during the minutes silence.
This is what really matters.
Wonder if this is truly to do with the Poppy or whether it's to do with the English and United States FA's for exposing FIFA last year
If you want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to wear one without rebuke.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it
b) Engerland
c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke
Some of them love England so much they don't even live there......
So, IMO the FA (and the Scottish FA) should just do it anyway, take the financial hit, donate a similar amount to the Poppy Appeal and issue a joint press release basically saying we don't care what FIFA think.
Wearing one is the same as wearing any other charity's symbol. Like the little men for the prostate cancer charity which seem to be compulsory wear for football managers and the like.
But while the poppies on football shirts thing is harmless, (don't the shirts tend to be auctioned off for the Legion's coffers?), I do find those little enamel joint club badge/poppy badges a bit odd and a tacky affectation.
I think it's nonsense from FIFA and I'm sure a compromise could be found.
Printing it onto somebody shows no honour. It could even be considered disrespectful in its idiocy.
I suppose that it doesn't do any harm really, but I do think that FIFA, and even other European countries, find it rather incomprehensible how anyone can feel it honours the war dead.
Remember too that prior to this century poppies were never printed onto team shirts. Were we therefore disrespectful between 1945-2000ish?
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.
From what?
And if you say 'Prussian militarism' I'll know you're pissing about.