I can see FIFA coming down hard on any of the home nations that choose to wear a poppy on their shirts, by means of a points deduction in their WC groups.
Absolutely no chance. Not after all the shit Serbia and Croatia have got away with over the recent years.
I can see FIFA coming down hard on any of the home nations that choose to wear a poppy on their shirts, by means of a points deduction in their WC groups.
Absolutely no chance. Not after all the shit Serbia and Croatia have got away with over the recent years.
We would still qualify and then let the country down
I can see FIFA coming down hard on any of the home nations that choose to wear a poppy on their shirts, by means of a points deduction in their WC groups.
Fuck em, it's a corrupt tournament anyway, and do it again in the year 2020 qualifiers as well for the next corrupt tournament.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
Why is James McClean a wally?
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke
Spot On GA. If any of us were born in the Creggan like McClean, or the bogside, Brandywell or similar would we wear the poppy ? James McClean said if it just represented the dead in the two World wars he would wear a poppy but because of bloody Sunday it is impossible for him.
Did our Families not fight for freedom of choice as much as stopping a Tyrant in the different conflicts the UK has got immersed in over the last 100 years ? I prefer a wristband to remember the dead but some years i will wear a poppy.
FIFA may have the wrong end of the stick on the poppy, but as others have said the complex situation in The Balkans means the different symbols they display doesn't just mean honouring the dead.
Except the poppy has literally nothing to do with Bloody Sunday or honouring living soldiers.
Funny how he has a problem with the poppy yet thinks speeding without a driver's licence is OK.
I'm not having a pop at him because he chooses not to wear the poppy, which I have already defended anyway, I just don't find his stated reasons for doing so logically consistent.
Actually the poppy does have a lot to do with living ex-soldiers. The money raised by the appeal goes mainly to ex service personel. That may well, in fact probably does, include soldiers involved in Derry in 1972.
The Poppy Appeal, yes. The Remembrance Poppy, not so much.
I am not sure I understand you. The poppy was selected by the British Legion after WW1 as their symbol and it remains that it's main purpose is to raise funds to help ex service personel and their families who have served ever since. This includes those who served in Northern Ireland during the troubles there. I am not aware that there is a separate Rembrance Poppy that excludes veterans of that conflict.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
Why is James McClean a wally?
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke
Spot On GA. If any of us were born in the Creggan like McClean, or the bogside, Brandywell or similar would we wear the poppy ? James McClean said if it just represented the dead in the two World wars he would wear a poppy but because of bloody Sunday it is impossible for him.
Did our Families not fight for freedom of choice as much as stopping a Tyrant in the different conflicts the UK has got immersed in over the last 100 years ? I prefer a wristband to remember the dead but some years i will wear a poppy.
FIFA may have the wrong end of the stick on the poppy, but as others have said the complex situation in The Balkans means the different symbols they display doesn't just mean honouring the dead.
Except the poppy has literally nothing to do with Bloody Sunday or honouring living soldiers.
Funny how he has a problem with the poppy yet thinks speeding without a driver's licence is OK.
I'm not having a pop at him because he chooses not to wear the poppy, which I have already defended anyway, I just don't find his stated reasons for doing so logically consistent.
Actually the poppy does have a lot to do with living ex-soldiers. The money raised by the appeal goes mainly to ex service personel. That may well, in fact probably does, include soldiers involved in Derry in 1972.
The Poppy Appeal, yes. The Remembrance Poppy, not so much.
I am not sure I understand you. The poppy was selected by the British Legion after WW1 as their symbol and it remains that it's main purpose is to raise funds to help ex service personel and their families who have served ever since. This includes those who served in Northern Ireland during the troubles there. I am not aware that there is a separate Rembrance Poppy that excludes veterans of that conflict.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
Why is James McClean a wally?
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke
Spot On GA. If any of us were born in the Creggan like McClean, or the bogside, Brandywell or similar would we wear the poppy ? James McClean said if it just represented the dead in the two World wars he would wear a poppy but because of bloody Sunday it is impossible for him.
Did our Families not fight for freedom of choice as much as stopping a Tyrant in the different conflicts the UK has got immersed in over the last 100 years ? I prefer a wristband to remember the dead but some years i will wear a poppy.
FIFA may have the wrong end of the stick on the poppy, but as others have said the complex situation in The Balkans means the different symbols they display doesn't just mean honouring the dead.
Except the poppy has literally nothing to do with Bloody Sunday or honouring living soldiers.
Funny how he has a problem with the poppy yet thinks speeding without a driver's licence is OK.
I'm not having a pop at him because he chooses not to wear the poppy, which I have already defended anyway, I just don't find his stated reasons for doing so logically consistent.
Actually the poppy does have a lot to do with living ex-soldiers. The money raised by the appeal goes mainly to ex service personel. That may well, in fact probably does, include soldiers involved in Derry in 1972.
The Poppy Appeal, yes. The Remembrance Poppy, not so much.
I am not sure I understand you. The poppy was selected by the British Legion after WW1 as their symbol and it remains that it's main purpose is to raise funds to help ex service personel and their families who have served ever since. This includes those who served in Northern Ireland during the troubles there. I am not aware that there is a separate Rembrance Poppy that excludes veterans of that conflict.
It covers every veteran of every conflict and every theatre, British or from the commonwealth, full stop. The money raised supports veterans young and old, ranging from injury and sickness, homelessness, drug and alcohol abuse, convalescence, travel, divorce/family counselling, a whole range and probably many I have missed. I have stood next to and lowered the standard alongside Chelsea pensioners, WWII veterans and a blind veteran in his late 20's who lost his sight due to an IMD in Afghanistan, all helped and supported by the RBL and poppy sales, a charity, not a political movement.
I will be wearing my poppy with pride at Wembley, next week and making a significant contribution to the RBL. All Fifa have done is make me want to donate more to RBL.
Gonna suggest something that may be very unpopular, but here goes.
Although I agree it is insulting to British teams to tell them not to wear the poppy, I can understand why FIFA want to make this call. I believe for them, they will be most concerned by the precedent. The FIFA gen sec said "Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war" and I think although this may come across as abrasive, what she is suggesting is that if Britain can change their shirts in memory of a war, than surely any nation can? What about if countries in places where wars remain controversial start to memorialise them through the national teams? Can the Iranians show a symbol to remember those dead in the Iraq-Iran war, or Afghanistan to remember the victims of the Soviets (Doubt our 2018 hosts might like that much)? Their argument to do so would be much harder to refuse if England were allowed to do something that in many ways is similar.
Of course, I agree that WW1 dwarfs most other by size and also by the fact that is universally regretted, but the decision does put FIFA in a difficult position, from a political and legal one. As for Ireland, I am surpised why that was allowed, so maybe puts somewhat of a flaw in my argument. Equally, do agree that England are a particular favourite to beat up on for FIFA, but just saying that I don't think that the decision is about denying England the chance to remember the War as much as a concern about the implications for sporting teams (usually relatively impartial representatives of a nation) across the world.
I agree FIFA's stance is completely wrong and it should be allowed. As an alternative why don't they just lay a wreath in the centre circle and do a minutes silence, I guess that's allowed.
As long as low paid workers are dying whilst building the state of the art stadia in Qatar that's alright. Fucking hypocrisy stinks from this bunch of money grabbing whores.
I agree FIFA's stance is completely wrong and it should be allowed. As an alternative why don't they just lay a reef in the centre circle and do a minutes silence, I guess that's allowed.
I would imagine the solution is for the players to take the responsibility to wear an armband off their own backs. The countries FAs won't punish them - would FIFA go after them individually? I doubt it. It means a lot more this way anyway IMO. People shouldn't have to wear a poppy, they should choose to wear one. As the vast majority of us will do.
I agree FIFA's stance is completely wrong and it should be allowed. As an alternative why don't they just lay a reef in the centre circle and do a minutes silence, I guess that's allowed.
Well I bought my poppy this morning. Call me fickle but I'm always late to the party to get one but my eye was caught by the Armed Forces at Cannon Street... as much as guy there does a great job, I made a beeline straight for a nice young soldier.
Be a lot of money made in London today - both stations I went through were packed and people were offloading cash.
It's a massive opportunistic move by the media and such. What better way to shift the focus from the doom and gloom of Brexit than to whip up a nationalistic frenzy... I'm so proud to be British, how dare FIFA tell my country what to do etc.
FIFA made the same decision years ago. This is a non news story that's been jumped on by certain people because it's come at a good time to fit their agendas.
The choice to wear a poppy ought to be a personal one, not one obliged onto someone by their employer or organisation. So although I oppose FIFA's judgement on this, at the same time the English and Scottish FAs should not have pushed the issue in the first place by requesting a kit change as this would essentially be forcing the poppy on their players or forcing them to choose to opt out (a la James McClean). And therein lies the problem. I do not remember what is unfortunately dubbed 'poppy fascism' 10 years ago, and apparently 2010 was the first year that Premier League teams started to print poppies on their shirts. Now the choice to wear or not to wear a poppy became a choice to do what your employer is telling you, or specifically request to them that you are opting out. If someone in the street is not wearing a poppy, it could be because they do not want to wear one, or for a myriad of other reasons (it is in their bag, it fell off, they left it at home, they lent it to a friend or child).
Why poppies get people so worked up now when 10 years ago no one seemed to really care whether or not you wore a poppy will have a variety of reasons (tabloid hysteria not the least of them) but I feel sorry for the RBL who at no point have ever wanted this to be an issue and have repeatedly said that poppies are purely personal preference, in fact they defend those who do not wear a poppy who are doing so for personal reasons. So instead of the FA and football clubs forcing this on players, the RBL should offer a poppy armband for sportspeople and let each individual athlete decide whether they are going to take it up. That way the issue becomes depoliticised.
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Wear a poppy as a mark of respect & Fifa step in. Joke organisation
Wonderful.
The money raised supports veterans young and old, ranging from injury and sickness, homelessness, drug and alcohol abuse, convalescence, travel, divorce/family counselling, a whole range and probably many I have missed.
I have stood next to and lowered the standard alongside Chelsea pensioners, WWII veterans and a blind veteran in his late 20's who lost his sight due to an IMD in Afghanistan, all helped and supported by the RBL and poppy sales, a charity, not a political movement.
Although I agree it is insulting to British teams to tell them not to wear the poppy, I can understand why FIFA want to make this call. I believe for them, they will be most concerned by the precedent. The FIFA gen sec said "Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war" and I think although this may come across as abrasive, what she is suggesting is that if Britain can change their shirts in memory of a war, than surely any nation can? What about if countries in places where wars remain controversial start to memorialise them through the national teams? Can the Iranians show a symbol to remember those dead in the Iraq-Iran war, or Afghanistan to remember the victims of the Soviets (Doubt our 2018 hosts might like that much)? Their argument to do so would be much harder to refuse if England were allowed to do something that in many ways is similar.
Of course, I agree that WW1 dwarfs most other by size and also by the fact that is universally regretted, but the decision does put FIFA in a difficult position, from a political and legal one. As for Ireland, I am surpised why that was allowed, so maybe puts somewhat of a flaw in my argument. Equally, do agree that England are a particular favourite to beat up on for FIFA, but just saying that I don't think that the decision is about denying England the chance to remember the War as much as a concern about the implications for sporting teams (usually relatively impartial representatives of a nation) across the world.
However I will. Others can make their own choices. In some ways, the fact that choice exists means they didn't die in vain.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/fifa-poppy-ban-england-scotland-fa-players-will-wear-remembrance-day-a7393591.html
Opportunistic point scoring, she should stick to trying to run the country
Be a lot of money made in London today - both stations I went through were packed and people were offloading cash.
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/community/calendar/regional-events/london-poppy-day/
FIFA made the same decision years ago. This is a non news story that's been jumped on by certain people because it's come at a good time to fit their agendas.
Now, where's my poppy?
Why poppies get people so worked up now when 10 years ago no one seemed to really care whether or not you wore a poppy will have a variety of reasons (tabloid hysteria not the least of them) but I feel sorry for the RBL who at no point have ever wanted this to be an issue and have repeatedly said that poppies are purely personal preference, in fact they defend those who do not wear a poppy who are doing so for personal reasons. So instead of the FA and football clubs forcing this on players, the RBL should offer a poppy armband for sportspeople and let each individual athlete decide whether they are going to take it up. That way the issue becomes depoliticised.