I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
I seem to have missed something somewhere but read on Twitter that he's offered to resign twice? One before the Blackpool game and when was the other time?
Sorry.Not read up much on this. What is Rolands issue with KR resigning do we think? He wouldn't have to pay him a penny would he? .... and he could stick Jackson or Bowyer in his place.
If KR just wanted to walk he could.
That he says (and we are only getting his unreliable version) it was refused suggests to me that the resignation came with conditions linked to a pay-off and the compensation payable by Oxford.
So not really a straight forward resignation but an attempt by Robinson to get out in a way that suits him career wise and financially but does the opposite for Roland IMHO.
So you back Roland then ?
No, because as usual Duchatlet can see the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Letting Robinson go would have given him one last, slim, chance of the club going up this season and so increasing the price of the club.
It would have also saved a few quid on wages and might even have smoothed the way for a takeover.
But Roland would rather haggle over some possible compensation.
See all this media hype is on the OS now. If it's true, how can KR show his face on Saturday? He's going to be pilloried. What is needed is for him to make some kind of statement - maybe at tomorrow's press conference?
He probably will but bet your life he'll be the victim in all this.
So true.
Jimmy Tarbuck (there you go @JamesSeed another personal insult) is the victim and it's never his fault.
I said last season "Shut up and win games" the first he has never done and the other he's not done nearly enough.
The colourised photo has just arrived and it looks brilliant! Considering it started like as a black and white postcard, they've done an amazing job.
KR is a 3rd division manager of a team of 3rd division players. His lack of tactical nous is not responsible for the players' inability to finish; put in a decent cross, let alone a corner; to defend; defend a lead in injury time. 4-3-2-1 or 4-4-2 will make no difference to a bunch of nervous and demoralised players. The scapegoating and personal invective directed at KR is as predictable as it is puerile: the owner's the problem.
I'm sure most fans can see the owner is the problem. However another 3rd division manager would make/use different choices, signings, tactics, formations, bring in different staff etc. A different manager might get more or less out of this group of players.
KR is a 3rd division manager of a team of 3rd division players. His lack of tactical nous is not responsible for the players' inability to finish; put in a decent cross, let alone a corner; to defend; defend a lead in injury time. 4-3-2-1 or 4-4-2 will make no difference to a bunch of nervous and demoralised players. The scapegoating and personal invective directed at KR is as predictable as it is puerile: the owner's the problem.
I agree with most of this. Robinson is definitely better than Slade, but I think he has to try to do something different, and for the reasons you state, that may or may not make a difference, but not trying is the issue. Having said that, the root of the problem is Duchatelet. People can point to the fact that he has spent money, but he has not done so wisely since he bought the club. Our squads are unbalanced, and have been since day one of his reign and part of the imbalance is the lack of goals, and despite that we sold our best goalscorer as we invariably do. What was criminal about this sale was that it was at a time when we could have consolidated and had a real go at promotion.
Robinson for all his limitations, and I do think he is League One all day long, cannot be held responsible for the owners uselessness. But we do need to try to get the best out of the squad as it is, and Robinson has shown is that he is not the man to do this. Whether that man is available to us or not is less relevant than the fact that we have to try. Most of us have given up, but if we were to beat Plymouth on Saturday, we would be right in there in terms of the play offs!
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
Given this news and the need to prepare for Saturday - which includes sorting out an emergency keeper unless we are going to throw a young lad in. Given that it is Wednesday and it has to be unlikely Robbo is in charge on Saturday, the change has to happen now!
@LargeAddick - Have you given me my first flag, for criticising abuse on this forum? Seriously? I'm anti abuse, so I get flagged for abuse! That's just odd, if it was you.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Duchatelet will also probably be looking for compensation from Oxford, as Robinson's contract has a year to run. So what of Charlton, who will take charge for the last ten games of the season? Johnnie Jackson in a caretaker role, possibly assisted by Jason Euell may be the route the club takes. The situation has a way to run yet, but what is certain, is that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
I think he should have expected this all to some degree. I don't know that he could have predicted something quite as bad as going into a season with one senior striker and Joe Dodoo. Or being in the top six in January with an injury ravaged squad and despite months of takeover talk there being both no takeover and no funds. I think what has happened has been toward the extreme ends of "worst case scenario."
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
He literally called us a 'basket case of a club' when he was manager at MK Dons. Wilder then turned down the job immediately before KR signed up so there is absolutely no way he didn't know what he was letting himself in for.
He can't start to play dumb now just because it suits.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
But then you take it and you have to try to make it work. He couldn't come in and slag off the owner - I really don't think he realised how bad the owner was and why should he? We of course did, but I speak to supporters of other clubs and they ask me what the problem with Duchatelet is.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
But no doubt he believed he could turn it round.
And perhaps thought that if he couldn't, then the tin tack comes with compensation - and no harm to his own reputation, as everybody in football knew the Charlton job was a poisoned chalice.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
He stated at the time that he had a choice between us and another club, so we were certainly not his only option. He claimed he picked us because of the stadium, the size of the club, blah, blah, blah. If Katrien was responsible for negotiating his contract, then he probably picked us because we were paying twice as much as anyone else.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
But no doubt he believed he could turn it round.
And perhaps thought that if he couldn't, then the tin tack comes with compensation - and no harm to his own reputation, as everybody in football knew the Charlton job was a poisoned chalice.
Which of course it was/is. I do think though that if what you are doing is not working you change things - and for me he didn't so I don't rate him. Doesn't change the background though.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
But then you take it and you have to try to make it work. He couldn't come in and slag off the owner - I really don't think he realised how bad the owner was and why should he? We of course did, but I speak to supporters of other clubs and they ask me what the problem with Duchatelet is.
He didn't have to slag off the owner. He certainly didn't have to sing his, and her, praises to high heaven either but he did. Despite being told by people in football before he took the job what he was letting himself in for.
He told the fans we had "our club" back.
All he had to do is shut up and win games. He's done neither.
We all know Duchatelet is the underlying problem for the club, silly to even suggest that no one realises that, but Robinson is part of the problem, not the solution.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
I had a chat with his dad before the game at MK Dons and he said they had come to watch Charlton in one of the protest games with flying pigs etc. being thrown on the pitch and he said to KR " What are you letting yourself in for!" But he still took the job.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
There was plenty of info out there in public if he wanted to find it and I'm sure he has multiple contacts throughout the game that could've told him what Roland and Katrien were like to deal with.
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Yes, but you can't blame an out of work football manager for taking a job.
Well no, you can't blame anyone unemployed for taking work but he must've taken the position with a full understanding that he was going to get next to no help from people above him.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
But then you take it and you have to try to make it work. He couldn't come in and slag off the owner - I really don't think he realised how bad the owner was and why should he? We of course did, but I speak to supporters of other clubs and they ask me what the problem with Duchatelet is.
He didn't have to slag off the owner. He certainly didn't have to sing his, and her, praises to high heaven either but he did. Despite being told by people in football before he took the job what he was letting himself in for.
He told the fans we had "our club" back.
All he had to do is shut up and win games. He's done neither.
We all know Duchatelet is the underlying problem for the club, silly to even suggest that no one realises that, but Robinson is part of the problem, not the solution.
Yes that didn't really work and I remember commenting at the time how premature it was! I think he may have been badly advised there. But I don't really hold it against him. I just wanted to see him try something different, we have been too easy to stop and you have to try to address it. if you try and fail, it is better than not to try at all.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
He literally called us a 'basket case of a club' when he was manager at MK Dons. Wilder then turned down the job immediately before KR signed up so there is absolutely no way he didn't know what he was letting himself in for.
He can't start to play dumb now just because it suits.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
He literally called us a 'basket case of a club' when he was manager at MK Dons. Wilder then turned down the job immediately before KR signed up so there is absolutely no way he didn't know what he was letting himself in for.
He can't start to play dumb now just because it suits.
We are a basket case of a club. We all know that
No, we've got our club back according to Tarbuck and Duchaletet and Meire are great and backing him all the way.
As I've said many times before he talks nonsense. That wouldn't matter if he could win games on a consistent basis but he can't. Hence he needs to go.
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I hate days like this. I've got so much to do, yet I'm checking out this site every 10 minutes.
Robinson for all his limitations, and I do think he is League One all day long, cannot be held responsible for the owners uselessness. But we do need to try to get the best out of the squad as it is, and Robinson has shown is that he is not the man to do this. Whether that man is available to us or not is less relevant than the fact that we have to try. Most of us have given up, but if we were to beat Plymouth on Saturday, we would be right in there in terms of the play offs!
It never does
People can speculate what they want. I've pretty much given up
I don't recognize our club anymore
It's so sad..
I am not alone!
He doesn't get away with being ignorant in my book.
Duchatelet will also probably be looking for compensation from Oxford, as Robinson's contract has a year to run.
So what of Charlton, who will take charge for the last ten games of the season? Johnnie Jackson in a caretaker role, possibly assisted by Jason Euell may be the route the club takes.
The situation has a way to run yet, but what is certain, is that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
If he didn't understand that, he's more of a fool than I thought.
He can't start to play dumb now just because it suits.
And perhaps thought that if he couldn't, then the tin tack comes with compensation - and no harm to his own reputation, as everybody in football knew the Charlton job was a poisoned chalice.
He told the fans we had "our club" back.
All he had to do is shut up and win games. He's done neither.
We all know Duchatelet is the underlying problem for the club, silly to even suggest that no one realises that, but Robinson is part of the problem, not the solution.
It's unbelievably amature
As I've said many times before he talks nonsense. That wouldn't matter if he could win games on a consistent basis but he can't. Hence he needs to go.