I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
He literally called us a 'basket case of a club' when he was manager at MK Dons. Wilder then turned down the job immediately before KR signed up so there is absolutely no way he didn't know what he was letting himself in for.
He can't start to play dumb now just because it suits.
We are a basket case of a club. We all know that
No, we've got our club back according to Tarbuck and Duchaletet and Meire are great and backing him all the way.
As I've said many times before he talks nonsense. That wouldn't matter if he could win games on a consistent basis but he can't. Hence he needs to go.
This I agree with - it wouldn't matter if ........ But he can't so it does. Not going to hang him for trying but I will be glad when he is gone. Nowhere near as glad as I will be when Duchatelet is gone though.
It's weird that we report gossip, especially of this nature, on our official site.
Exactly without any official statement from the club or KR
It's unbelievably amature
I suspect that page on the website is auto-populated by some kind of bot scanning the web for stories and dynamically constructing the page without any human intervention. Its not the first stuff that's appeared there that was surprising on an official site.
Mind you I am getting an ad for the Audi A5 Sportrack on here at the moment and I'm not interested in German cars! I did mention the mini in another thread though - do people not find that a bit creepy.
Mind you I am getting an ad for the Audi A5 Sportrack on here at the moment and I'm not interested in German cars! I did mention the mini in another thread though - do people not find that a bit creepy.
I didn’t mention a mini and I’m getting the Audi ad.
It's weird that we report gossip, especially of this nature, on our official site.
Exactly without any official statement from the club or KR
It's unbelievably amature
I suspect that page on the website is auto-populated by some kind of bot scanning the web for stories and dynamically constructing the page without any human intervention. Its not the first stuff that's appeared there that was surprising on an official site.
Doubt it.
Anyway, did they report the Sun video story on there? (I don't know the answer.)
Slade, Riga were out of work but didn't go on about how great RD & KM are. Hadn't previously gone on record to say we were a basket case of a club. I have no sympathy for him at all.
I'm not sure i go along with the "Robinson knew what Roland was like when he joined and it his fault business". We all know exactly what the old scrot is like because we support the club and follow whats going on, from someone that doesn't follow Charlton of course he would be familiar with the protests etc. but when an owner gives you an opportunity to join a fairly big club & makes promises it was probably quite hard to refuse and with making Robinson a manager rather than head coach perhaps he thought the issues had been resolved. Obviously it hasn't worked and Robinson has done a poor managerial job since December (Not helped by the off field chaos). But the personal insults on him are way OTT as he has only ever tried since he has been here
He literally called us a 'basket case of a club' when he was manager at MK Dons. Wilder then turned down the job immediately before KR signed up so there is absolutely no way he didn't know what he was letting himself in for.
He can't start to play dumb now just because it suits.
We are a basket case of a club. We all know that
No, we've got our club back according to Tarbuck and Duchaletet and Meire are great and backing him all the way.
As I've said many times before he talks nonsense. That wouldn't matter if he could win games on a consistent basis but he can't. Hence he needs to go.
Quite right. But gotta love his cheeky Scouse charm though, eh?
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
It is on record that KR said he spoke to a number of football people. They all advised KR not to take the job. KR took the job against everyone's advice.
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I was think of starting a 'Mark the squad' thread with a view to building for next season - who would you keep, who would you let go (and who's going anyway) type thing. Marks out of ten. I agree with a lot of your comments above, although ...
I feel JFC's form has dived in the last six weeks Reeves is improving, at last Marshall's work rate sometimes goes unnoticed Dasilva is our best player on the ball, but not amazing defensively. He can get targetted, and that has resulted in him being swapped for Sarr. And... Bauer as POTY? Not far off for his consistency. We look worse with him out injured, that's for sure. He might get my vote. Do I have a vote btw?
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I’m not sure about Konsa improving - maybe it’s the fact he hasn’t had a settled partner, but I think he has gone slightly backwards.
JFC - started the season off very well off, but has been a passenger in recent games. Maybe he’s not quite over the injuries he had. I actually spoke to him before the first game of the season, mentioned I had him first goal scorer - he replied he had been told to get in the box more. He did exactly that for the first 2 or 3 months of the season and all of a sudden it stopped.
Marshall it a tricky one. He got in the League 1 team of the year last season - playing in a 4-4-2. Robinson hasn’t used him there. Maybe Marshall knew what his role would be, but if you want the best out of a player, you have to put him in his proper position.
Anyway, the the common denominator here - it’s piss poor management.
Is it bad that the thought of JJ or JE being made manager till the end of the season, feels like its relighted my excitement for the rest of the season?
Sorry.Not read up much on this. What is Rolands issue with KR resigning do we think? He wouldn't have to pay him a penny would he? .... and he could stick Jackson or Bowyer in his place.
If KR just wanted to walk he could.
That he says (and we are only getting his unreliable version) it was refused suggests to me that the resignation came with conditions linked to a pay-off and the compensation payable by Oxford.
So not really a straight forward resignation but an attempt by Robinson to get out in a way that suits him career wise and financially but does the opposite for Roland IMHO.
So you back Roland then ?
No, because as usual Duchatlet can see the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Letting Robinson go would have given him one last, slim, chance of the club going up this season and so increasing the price of the club.
It would have also saved a few quid on wages and might even have smoothed the way for a takeover.
But Roland would rather haggle over some possible compensation.
See all this media hype is on the OS now. If it's true, how can KR show his face on Saturday? He's going to be pilloried. What is needed is for him to make some kind of statement - maybe at tomorrow's press conference?
He probably will but bet your life he'll be the victim in all this.
So true.
Jimmy Tarbuck (there you go @JamesSeed another personal insult) is the victim and it's never his fault.
I said last season "Shut up and win games" the first he has never done and the other he's not done nearly enough.
No, Tarbuck's alright. Anyway, I'll decide what's an insult and what's not, you f#}t$%*#er
James Seed, what would you know about this club mistreating a manager anyway?
Is it bad that the thought of JJ or JE being made manager till the end of the season, feels like its relighted my excitement for the rest of the season?
Spot on. Can you imagine the scenes if we beat Plymouth with JJ / JE managing? Might make for a few interesting games at least.
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I’m not sure about Konsa improving - maybe it’s the fact he hasn’t had a settled partner, but I think he has gone slightly backwards.
JFC - started the season off very well off, but has been a passenger in recent games. Maybe he’s not quite over the injuries he had. I actually spoke to him before the first game of the season, mentioned I had him first goal scorer - he replied he had been told to get in the box more. He did exactly that for the first 2 or 3 months of the season and all of a sudden it stopped.
Marshall it a tricky one. He got in the League 1 team of the year last season - playing in a 4-4-2. Robinson hasn’t used him there. Maybe Marshall knew what his role would be, but if you want the best out of a player, you have to put him in his proper position.
Anyway, the the common denominator here - it’s piss poor management.
Agree JFC has tailed off a bit since coming back from injury. He hasn't gotten forward nearly as much since Clarke got hurt, and I think that's because both Clarke's positional sense and ability on the ball provides cover for JFC.
On Marshall, unlike with say a Fosu or Reeves he plays wide on the right and I don't think his positioning would be drastically different in a 4-4-2. I just think he had more space last season because Bradford weren't playing against teams sitting very deep, and without space to run in to he's not effective.
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I’m not sure about Konsa improving - maybe it’s the fact he hasn’t had a settled partner, but I think he has gone slightly backwards.
JFC - started the season off very well off, but has been a passenger in recent games. Maybe he’s not quite over the injuries he had. I actually spoke to him before the first game of the season, mentioned I had him first goal scorer - he replied he had been told to get in the box more. He did exactly that for the first 2 or 3 months of the season and all of a sudden it stopped.
Marshall it a tricky one. He got in the League 1 team of the year last season - playing in a 4-4-2. Robinson hasn’t used him there. Maybe Marshall knew what his role would be, but if you want the best out of a player, you have to put him in his proper position.
Anyway, the the common denominator here - it’s piss poor management.
Agree JFC has tailed off a bit since coming back from injury. He hasn't gotten forward nearly as much since Clarke got hurt, and I think that's because both Clarke's positional sense and ability on the ball provides cover for JFC.
On Marshall, unlike with say a Fosu or Reeves he plays wide on the right and I don't think his positioning would be drastically different in a 4-4-2. I just think he had more space last season because Bradford weren't playing against teams sitting very deep, and without space to run in to he's not effective.
You are bang on the money with Clarke. I was seriously underwhelmed when he signed, but he has been a massive loss. He is the only one that has taken the number 10 role and made it work.
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I’m not sure about Konsa improving - maybe it’s the fact he hasn’t had a settled partner, but I think he has gone slightly backwards.
JFC - started the season off very well off, but has been a passenger in recent games. Maybe he’s not quite over the injuries he had. I actually spoke to him before the first game of the season, mentioned I had him first goal scorer - he replied he had been told to get in the box more. He did exactly that for the first 2 or 3 months of the season and all of a sudden it stopped.
Marshall it a tricky one. He got in the League 1 team of the year last season - playing in a 4-4-2. Robinson hasn’t used him there. Maybe Marshall knew what his role would be, but if you want the best out of a player, you have to put him in his proper position.
Anyway, the the common denominator here - it’s piss poor management.
One of JFC's strengths, as shown at the end of last season and beginning of this, is making runs into the box to score goals. Jacko and Bowyer were both good at this
To be able to do this though, you need movement ahead of you to create space, and a defensive minded midfielder prepared to sit and cover when you burst forward.
Sorry.Not read up much on this. What is Rolands issue with KR resigning do we think? He wouldn't have to pay him a penny would he? .... and he could stick Jackson or Bowyer in his place.
If KR just wanted to walk he could.
That he says (and we are only getting his unreliable version) it was refused suggests to me that the resignation came with conditions linked to a pay-off and the compensation payable by Oxford.
So not really a straight forward resignation but an attempt by Robinson to get out in a way that suits him career wise and financially but does the opposite for Roland IMHO.
So you back Roland then ?
No, because as usual Duchatlet can see the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Letting Robinson go would have given him one last, slim, chance of the club going up this season and so increasing the price of the club.
It would have also saved a few quid on wages and might even have smoothed the way for a takeover.
But Roland would rather haggle over some possible compensation.
See all this media hype is on the OS now. If it's true, how can KR show his face on Saturday? He's going to be pilloried. What is needed is for him to make some kind of statement - maybe at tomorrow's press conference?
He probably will but bet your life he'll be the victim in all this.
So true.
Jimmy Tarbuck (there you go @JamesSeed another personal insult) is the victim and it's never his fault.
I said last season "Shut up and win games" the first he has never done and the other he's not done nearly enough.
No, Tarbuck's alright. Anyway, I'll decide what's an insult and what's not, you f#}t$%*#er
James Seed, what would you know about this club mistreating a manager anyway?
Don't get me started. Fecking Glickstens.... Brought up as a Millwall fan (don't worry, I've only ever been in the Directors' box), with Charlton my middle name, and now I get abused by a Large Haddock and and old geezer in a cardigan.
I seem to have missed something somewhere but read on Twitter that he's offered to resign twice? One before the Blackpool game and when was the other time?
Sorry.Not read up much on this. What is Rolands issue with KR resigning do we think? He wouldn't have to pay him a penny would he? .... and he could stick Jackson or Bowyer in his place.
If KR just wanted to walk he could.
That he says (and we are only getting his unreliable version) it was refused suggests to me that the resignation came with conditions linked to a pay-off and the compensation payable by Oxford.
So not really a straight forward resignation but an attempt by Robinson to get out in a way that suits him career wise and financially but does the opposite for Roland IMHO.
So you back Roland then ?
No, because as usual Duchatlet can see the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Letting Robinson go would have given him one last, slim, chance of the club going up this season and so increasing the price of the club.
It would have also saved a few quid on wages and might even have smoothed the way for a takeover.
But Roland would rather haggle over some possible compensation.
See all this media hype is on the OS now. If it's true, how can KR show his face on Saturday? He's going to be pilloried. What is needed is for him to make some kind of statement - maybe at tomorrow's press conference?
He probably will but bet your life he'll be the victim in all this.
So true.
Jimmy Tarbuck (there you go @JamesSeed another personal insult) is the victim and it's never his fault.
I said last season "Shut up and win games" the first he has never done and the other he's not done nearly enough.
No, Tarbuck's alright. Anyway, I'll decide what's an insult and what's not, you f#}t$%*#er
James Seed, what would you know about this club mistreating a manager anyway?
Don't get me started. Fecking Glickstens.... Brought up as a Millwall fan (don't worry, I've only ever been in the Directors' box), with Charlton my middle name, and now I get abused by a Large Haddock and and old geezer in a cardigan.
It is on record that KR said he spoke to a number of football people. They all advised KR not to take the job. KR took the job against everyone's advice.
Spot on CE. He had fair warning about what he was taking on.... KR, as nice a man as he comes across, albeit David Brent styles, simply cannot motivate the players any longer. He has no plan B. As someone said earlier, if Oxford want him, surprising that RD has not allowed them to take him and claim compensation. There's a fans favourite already in the wings, even if he under qualified. JJ would certainly give the club a boost and funnier things have happened. If all falls flat on it's face then nothing ventured, nothing gained....
So I want to go at this from a different angle. Something I think is vastly under-appreciated in the modern game as a whole, but particularly in England where it's "manager needs to get his players in," is how managers improve players. It's not a substitute for good performances and results, but I think it's part of the criteria that a manager should be judged by.
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved: Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward: Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note: Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I’m not sure about Konsa improving - maybe it’s the fact he hasn’t had a settled partner, but I think he has gone slightly backwards.
JFC - started the season off very well off, but has been a passenger in recent games. Maybe he’s not quite over the injuries he had. I actually spoke to him before the first game of the season, mentioned I had him first goal scorer - he replied he had been told to get in the box more. He did exactly that for the first 2 or 3 months of the season and all of a sudden it stopped.
Marshall it a tricky one. He got in the League 1 team of the year last season - playing in a 4-4-2. Robinson hasn’t used him there. Maybe Marshall knew what his role would be, but if you want the best out of a player, you have to put him in his proper position.
Anyway, the the common denominator here - it’s piss poor management.
One of JFC's strengths, as shown at the end of last season and beginning of this, is making runs into the box to score goals. Jacko and Bowyer were both good at this
To be able to do this though, you need movement ahead of you to create space, and a defensive minded midfielder prepared to sit and cover when you burst forward.
Exactly, and since coming back from injury he hasn't had the movement ahead of him, and playing alongside Aribo he's the holding player. It's that lack of movement in the attacking three that has been the source of so many of our problems this season. Remember at the start of the season we'd have players chopping and changing up there, getting good interchange and making it so that fullbacks and midfielders were having to mark two or three different players over the span of a game? So much of that is gone now. Some of it is down to losing Clarke, but some of it is definitely coaching.
Sorry.Not read up much on this. What is Rolands issue with KR resigning do we think? He wouldn't have to pay him a penny would he? .... and he could stick Jackson or Bowyer in his place.
If KR just wanted to walk he could.
That he says (and we are only getting his unreliable version) it was refused suggests to me that the resignation came with conditions linked to a pay-off and the compensation payable by Oxford.
So not really a straight forward resignation but an attempt by Robinson to get out in a way that suits him career wise and financially but does the opposite for Roland IMHO.
So you back Roland then ?
No, because as usual Duchatlet can see the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Letting Robinson go would have given him one last, slim, chance of the club going up this season and so increasing the price of the club.
It would have also saved a few quid on wages and might even have smoothed the way for a takeover.
But Roland would rather haggle over some possible compensation.
See all this media hype is on the OS now. If it's true, how can KR show his face on Saturday? He's going to be pilloried. What is needed is for him to make some kind of statement - maybe at tomorrow's press conference?
He probably will but bet your life he'll be the victim in all this.
So true.
Jimmy Tarbuck (there you go @JamesSeed another personal insult) is the victim and it's never his fault.
I said last season "Shut up and win games" the first he has never done and the other he's not done nearly enough.
No, Tarbuck's alright. Anyway, I'll decide what's an insult and what's not, you f#}t$%*#er
James Seed, what would you know about this club mistreating a manager anyway?
Don't get me started. Fecking Glickstens.... Brought up as a Millwall fan (don't worry, I've only ever been in the Directors' box), with Charlton my middle name, and now I get abused by a Large Haddock and and old geezer in a cardigan.
Point is, Millwall treated Seed and his family like royalty, the Glicktens did the opposite.
It is on record that KR said he spoke to a number of football people. They all advised KR not to take the job. KR took the job against everyone's advice.
Spot on CE. He had fair warning about what he was taking on.... KR, as nice a man as he comes across, albeit David Brent styles, simply cannot motivate the players any longer. He has no plan B. As someone said earlier, if Oxford want him, surprising that RD has not allowed them to take him and claim compensation. There's a fans favourite already in the wings, even if he under qualified. JJ would certainly give the club a boost and funnier things have happened. If all falls flat on it's face then nothing ventured, nothing gained....
It looks like that's the problem, RD wants compensation, they don't want to pay it.
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Anyway, did they report the Sun video story on there? (I don't know the answer.)
This is how I see individual players under Robinson:
Improved:
Konsa: Has really matured this year and he's been our second best center back in my opinion. Obviously has a lot of natural ability but has really put it all together in the last few months.
JFC: A big change from when he joined us. One of his biggest challenges throughout his young career has been consistency. For most of the season he's been one of our most consistent performers.
Aribo: Robinson basically gave him his chance last year. He's shown this year that he has a tremendous amount of talent, even if he's inconsistent.
DaSilva: Another with obvious natural ability, but who thought when we signed him last year that he would be this good and this consistent? POTY for many.
Fosu: Needs no explanation.
Sarr: Really started to put the pieces together this season.
Mav: Could barely get in the Preston side, looked a class above when he's played for us. Given his injuries it's hard to say if this is down to Robinson or just the player getting a regular chance at a lower level (a la KAG).
Gone Backward:
Marshall: I think there's the question of whether or not he was a one season wonder exploiting the space afforded in a counter attacking team, but he has been woeful much of the year.
Reeves: There is a good player in there. Has rarely shown it this season.
Solly: To what extent this is down to Robinson and what extent it's down to time catching up with him I don't know, but given he looks to have lost a yard of pace over the course of the season I think the latter definitely plays a large role. He's been largely poor this season, at least by his own high standards, and I think he should have been dropped on more than one occasion.
Dijksteel: It's not that he's gotten worse, quite the opposite. But he can't get a run in the side to save his life despite the fact that there is clearly a player in there and we're desperately missing a defensive midfielder. Just as we were all frustrated when Robinson came in and started playing Aribo regularly, I wonder if we'll feel the same about the next manager and Dijksteel.
The rest of the players I'd have as "Nominal," about what is to be expect. Just a couple of note:
Bauer: Not in the "improved" because I think this is more a reversion to the mean for him, but he's been my POTY this season and is our best center back.
Clarke: Watching him in pre-season I thought he would be tricky to play against, but didn't expect him to be so crucial. I think a lot of that is the skill set he came with.
Pearce: He's the "nominal-backwards" for me. Not just in recent games, but all season he's struggled with possession and playing a high line.
I agree with a lot of your comments above, although ...
I feel JFC's form has dived in the last six weeks
Reeves is improving, at last
Marshall's work rate sometimes goes unnoticed
Dasilva is our best player on the ball, but not amazing defensively. He can get targetted, and that has resulted in him being swapped for Sarr.
And...
Bauer as POTY? Not far off for his consistency. We look worse with him out injured, that's for sure. He might get my vote. Do I have a vote btw?
JFC - started the season off very well off, but has been a passenger in recent games. Maybe he’s not quite over the injuries he had. I actually spoke to him before the first game of the season, mentioned I had him first goal scorer - he replied he had been told to get in the box more. He did exactly that for the first 2 or 3 months of the season and all of a sudden it stopped.
Marshall it a tricky one. He got in the League 1 team of the year last season - playing in a 4-4-2. Robinson hasn’t used him there. Maybe Marshall knew what his role would be, but if you want the best out of a player, you have to put him in his proper position.
Anyway, the the common denominator here - it’s piss poor management.
On Marshall, unlike with say a Fosu or Reeves he plays wide on the right and I don't think his positioning would be drastically different in a 4-4-2. I just think he had more space last season because Bradford weren't playing against teams sitting very deep, and without space to run in to he's not effective.
Might be worth a shout?
To be able to do this though, you need movement ahead of you to create space, and a defensive minded midfielder prepared to sit and cover when you burst forward.
Brought up as a Millwall fan (don't worry, I've only ever been in the Directors' box), with Charlton my middle name, and now I get abused by a Large Haddock and and old geezer in a cardigan.