I'm not feeling great and have a bunged up nose so cant smell anything... But even I can smell this bullshit
Robinson says he’s been given the green light by owner Duchatelet to further bolster his squad but the Addicks manager is unwilling to do so at overinflated prices.
“The owner has said I can,” said the former Milton Keynes boss.
“It’s not like they’ve said no to me. I just can’t get my head around some of the figures that we’ve been told for certain players. It’s extortion and its wrong. It’s amazing that Charlton seem to have to pay top dollar and everyone else seems to get away with a bit of a discount.
I'm not feeling great and have a bunged up nose so cant smell anything... But even I can smell this bullshit
Robinson says he’s been given the green light by owner Duchatelet to further bolster his squad but the Addicks manager is unwilling to do so at overinflated prices.
“The owner has said I can,” said the former Milton Keynes boss.
“It’s not like they’ve said no to me. I just can’t get my head around some of the figures that we’ve been told for certain players. It’s extortion and its wrong. It’s amazing that Charlton seem to have to pay top dollar and everyone else seems to get away with a bit of a discount.
Spot on. As if Robinson cares how much it costs to buy a player? It's not his money he's spending. If he wants a player, he'll spend whatever Roland let's him have to get them in.
I'm not feeling great and have a bunged up nose so cant smell anything... But even I can smell this bullshit
Robinson says he’s been given the green light by owner Duchatelet to further bolster his squad but the Addicks manager is unwilling to do so at overinflated prices.
“The owner has said I can,” said the former Milton Keynes boss.
“It’s not like they’ve said no to me. I just can’t get my head around some of the figures that we’ve been told for certain players. It’s extortion and its wrong. It’s amazing that Charlton seem to have to pay top dollar and everyone else seems to get away with a bit of a discount.
Spot on. As if Robinson cares how much it costs to buy a player? It's not his money he's spending. If he wants a player, he'll spend whatever Roland let's him have to get them in.
He will care, because he will know his budget. Spend now, or spend in the summer when you get a better choice and for less money? That is what he needs to ask himself.
Unfair to criticise Robinson for not wanting to let clubs take the piss with over inflated prices. Curbishley never used to do it and I don't want any Charlton manager to feel he doesn't have a responsibility to manage his budget.
Yes we all would like some signings but football is fucked up enough already without Robinson spunking money.
Some people need to wise up and start living in the real world or perhaps piss off and support Citeh or Chelsea.
I'm not feeling great and have a bunged up nose so cant smell anything... But even I can smell this bullshit
Robinson says he’s been given the green light by owner Duchatelet to further bolster his squad but the Addicks manager is unwilling to do so at overinflated prices.
“The owner has said I can,” said the former Milton Keynes boss.
“It’s not like they’ve said no to me. I just can’t get my head around some of the figures that we’ve been told for certain players. It’s extortion and its wrong. It’s amazing that Charlton seem to have to pay top dollar and everyone else seems to get away with a bit of a discount.
Spot on. As if Robinson cares how much it costs to buy a player? It's not his money he's spending. If he wants a player, he'll spend whatever Roland let's him have to get them in.
He will care, because he will know his budget. Spend now, or spend in the summer when you get a better choice and for less money? That is what he needs to ask himself.
He will care because he's building a team to focus on going for promotion and you don't need the distraction of a player with an over-inflated value coming into it, particularly when we've got some class acts who probably won't be giving too much thought at this moment or asking their agents about what their transfer value by comparison would be.
Unfair to criticise Robinson for not wanting to let clubs take the piss with over inflated prices. Curbishley never used to do it and I don't want any Charlton manager to feel he doesn't have a responsibility to manage his budget.
Yes we all would like some signings but football is fucked up enough already without Robinson spunking money.
Agree. I want the owner to go (unless he does a complete u turn and seriously funds the playing side so we can return to the championship and really compete there- which I cant ever see happening) But the constant criticism of every single aspect of the club and KR is one of the things I think that causes much division amongst the fanbase.
Bordering on cult like religious zealot behaviour to denounce everything as being bullshit or some sort of conspiracy. KR is doing a good job from what I can see. I happen to like him but understand he is a marmite sort of bloke but the results of late have been decent and his optimism and positivity and willingness to speak frankly is refreshing.
I dont think we will go anywhere under this lot and want them gone for the past 3 years of fuckwittery but it was a great result today and that is down to the manager and the team. Pardew would spunk the budget then blame everyone else when it went tits up and left us in the shit so whilst the club is crying out for serious investment in the squad it is good to know the manager is being positive and working with what he has got and not being held to ransom by selling clubs in the notoriously poor value window.
It is a judgement call in an area I am not entirely sure Robinson is overly familiar. Just how much money did he spend on any given transfer for MK Dons?
It is entirely the wrong window in which to do serious business but that we have to do it to give ourselves the best shot of making a play off spot is entirely due to the failures in the close season. It is remedial action. Remedial action is invariably expensive. If you have not done it before putting your name to any significant expenditure can be unnerving but it is ultimately testament to your ability to manage.
The judgement call is in itself simple. Does he truly believe the squad is capable of securing a play off spot? Will the chances of securing a spot off be suitably enhanced by bringing 1, 2, 3 new players? Just what is the "premium" you are paying over and above what he feels would be a reasonable price for acquiring those players at another time?
You then have to weigh that additional expenditure against bringing in increased media revenues in the Championship.
The team performance and result today has opened a window of opportunity. The challenge is for all of his garrulous nature does Robinson believe in his and the squads ability to seize the opportunity. He gets paid to make such decisions.
I am sure we will all be awaiting the outcome of the next few days with considerable interest.
This statement by Robinson is a senseless own goal on a day when he potentially hugely enhanced his reputation with Charlton fans. Where is his evidence that "Charlton have to pay top dollar and others get away with a bit of a discount"? How could he possibly know what "discounts" other clubs get? I cannot think of any reason why a Championship club would think Charlton have far more money to spend, and more reason to spend it than Sheffield United.
I can think of a reason why said Championship club might think they can get Charlton to pay more than SU for a given player, but it's not the reason Robinson has in mind, and it's not "wrong".
" I spoke to someone the other day who is a top academy director and he used to work in South East London. He felt it is the hottest property for young players. Maybe we need to look closer to home.”
So basically no need to make any further signings. Just continue to play more kids from the academy.
Unfair to criticise Robinson for not wanting to let clubs take the piss with over inflated prices. Curbishley never used to do it and I don't want any Charlton manager to feel he doesn't have a responsibility to manage his budget.
Yes we all would like some signings but football is fucked up enough already without Robinson spunking money.
Some people need to wise up and start living in the real world or perhaps piss off and support Citeh or Chelsea.
Jimmy Seed certainly didn't do it.
And his purchasing so far appears pretty astute. JKF, Byrne, and possible Page too, if we get a long enough look at him!
If your a club and another club comes in for your player after they have got 7/8 million on a couple of sales, then of course you are going to chance your arm and add a couple of hundred thousand on the value of a player.
It's nothing new, so bleating about it in press conferences is not going to change anything.
This statement by Robinson is a senseless own goal on a day when he potentially hugely enhanced his reputation with Charlton fans. Where is his evidence that "Charlton have to pay top dollar and others get away with a bit of a discount"? How could he possibly know what "discounts" other clubs get? I cannot think of any reason why a Championship club would think Charlton have far more money to spend, and more reason to spend it than Sheffield United.
I can think of a reason why said Championship club might think they can get Charlton to pay more than SU for a given player, but it's not the reason Robinson has in mind, and it's not "wrong".
Well it's true none of us know for sure but let's just try looking at it this way.
Charlton are without doubt one of the bigger names in the division. The clubs where we are shopping know that we must get out of this division sooner rather than later. They have seen that we have paid very good money in the last two seasons for a few players (Mostly wasted). We have just sold two players for a combined £10 million ?
I don't think it's stretching the realms of possibility to think they might be inclined to overprice.
Or we can continue to disbelieve everything that Robinson says because we just disbelieve everything.
I want Roland out as much as anyone but I'm certainly not so cynical to dismiss as lies everything that comes out of the club. That way lies madness.
If your a club and another club comes in for your player after they have got 7/8 million on a couple of sales, then of course you are going to chance your arm and add a couple of hundred thousand on the value of a player.
It's nothing new, so bleating about it in press conferences is not going to change anything.
Bit unnecessary. Give him a break. He's doing well. You're nit picking for the sake of it.
If your a club and another club comes in for your player after they have got 7/8 million on a couple of sales, then of course you are going to chance your arm and add a couple of hundred thousand on the value of a player.
It's nothing new, so bleating about it in press conferences is not going to change anything.
Bit unnecessary. Give him a break. He's doing well. You're nit picking for the sake of it.
Behave. The fella is bleating about something that's not new when it comes to transfers.
This statement by Robinson is a senseless own goal on a day when he potentially hugely enhanced his reputation with Charlton fans. Where is his evidence that "Charlton have to pay top dollar and others get away with a bit of a discount"? How could he possibly know what "discounts" other clubs get? I cannot think of any reason why a Championship club would think Charlton have far more money to spend, and more reason to spend it than Sheffield United.
I can think of a reason why said Championship club might think they can get Charlton to pay more than SU for a given player, but it's not the reason Robinson has in mind, and it's not "wrong".
Well it's true none of us know for sure but let's just try looking at it this way.
Charlton are without doubt one of the bigger names in the division. The clubs where we are shopping know that we must get out of this division sooner rather than later. They have seen that we have paid very good money in the last two seasons for a few players (Mostly wasted). We have just sold two players for a combined £10 million ?
I don't think it's stretching the realms of possibility to think they might be inclined to overprice.
Or we can continue to disbelieve everything that Robinson says because we just disbelieve everything.
I want Roland out as much as anyone but I'm certainly not so cynical to dismiss as lies everything that comes out of the club. That way lies madness.
Ah. Well that is what I was referring to. That isn't extortion, mate. That is simply an astute observation of the competence or otherwise of the people opposite, with whom you are negotiating. It's business, and as @shirty5 said, bleating about it is pointless. He should shut up and talk about his team, his players. If he thinks he needs to strengthen, by all means say that. If the club wishes to tell its supporters that it is trying to strengthen but believes it cannot find value in the market, then there is only one person who should be charged with saying that in public. The CEO.
This statement by Robinson is a senseless own goal on a day when he potentially hugely enhanced his reputation with Charlton fans. Where is his evidence that "Charlton have to pay top dollar and others get away with a bit of a discount"? How could he possibly know what "discounts" other clubs get? I cannot think of any reason why a Championship club would think Charlton have far more money to spend, and more reason to spend it than Sheffield United.
I can think of a reason why said Championship club might think they can get Charlton to pay more than SU for a given player, but it's not the reason Robinson has in mind, and it's not "wrong".
Important to piss on the club after such a great win which keeps the season's hopes alive. Why not have another pop at the medical team like you did last week? After all Magennis and Pearce weren't available.
Let's face it this sequence of two points a game and five games unbeaten is killing you. Great signings like Byrne and Forster-Caskey plus KR bringing in Teixeira and Aribo just don't sit well with your narrative that everything is shite at CAFC.
KR has made seven changes since we lost to Millwall and Peterborough. Some players dropped, some back from injury, Fox and Lookman sold plus Magennis injured. And yet we go into next week's game with a good chance of a win.
And yet you are so vested in failure that you can't see any of that. No, all you see is your chance to have a pop at the manager.
I am not "pissing on the club". I am criticising Robinson for a totally unnecessary comment, unsupported by any evidence, which in my opinion detracted from a fine performance both by the team and by him.
As I said on the match thread immediately after the match thread
Bloody hell, must be one of the best performances under this dismal regime. KR deserves a reappraisal after this
Critiquing a fairly inconsequential quote about transfers this seems very excessive to me. I like him more than many on here, and fair enough if you don't like his style, but even still, give the guy a break.
Critiquing a fairly inconsequential quote about transfers this seems very excessive to me. I like him more than many on here, and fair enough if you don't like his style, but even still, give the guy a break.
I am afraid I don't think it is inconsequential, Jimmy. I think he is setting us up for disappointment regarding any further strengthening in the window. I could be wrong, but that is how I clearly interpreted it. I think he should leave that to the CEO, as I said earlier.
If your a club and another club comes in for your player after they have got 7/8 million on a couple of sales, then of course you are going to chance your arm and add a couple of hundred thousand on the value of a player.
It's nothing new, so bleating about it in press conferences is not going to change anything.
Bit unnecessary. Give him a break. He's doing well. You're nit picking for the sake of it.
Behave. The fella is bleating about something that's not new when it comes to transfers.
Nothing to do with him doing well.
But it's having a go at Robinson again, and looking for any excuse to do so. The word 'bleating' is quite a harsh and unnecessary one to use. And it's such a minor inconsequential point about the transfer business. Who cares if it's something not new. It's just the way he talks or did you prefer the tight lipped Slade? You're looking for any excuse to have a go, and I genuinely don't see why you do it.
If your a club and another club comes in for your player after they have got 7/8 million on a couple of sales, then of course you are going to chance your arm and add a couple of hundred thousand on the value of a player.
It's nothing new, so bleating about it in press conferences is not going to change anything.
Bit unnecessary. Give him a break. He's doing well. You're nit picking for the sake of it.
Behave. The fella is bleating about something that's not new when it comes to transfers.
Nothing to do with him doing well.
But it's having a go at Robinson again, and looking for any excuse to do so. The word 'bleating' is quite a harsh and unnecessary one to use. And it's such a minor inconsequential point about the transfer business. Who cares if it's something not new. It's just the way he talks or did you prefer the tight lipped Slade? You're looking for any excuse to have a go, and I genuinely don't see why you do it.
Rubbish. If any Charlton manager came out with that, I would say exactly the same, be it Curbishley, Lawrence etc.
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Robinson says he’s been given the green light by owner Duchatelet to further bolster his squad but the Addicks manager is unwilling to do so at overinflated prices.
“The owner has said I can,” said the former Milton Keynes boss.
“It’s not like they’ve said no to me. I just can’t get my head around some of the figures that we’ve been told for certain players. It’s extortion and its wrong. It’s amazing that Charlton seem to have to pay top dollar and everyone else seems to get away with a bit of a discount.
Did make me laugh.
He may not be here in the summer. Although I think he will be our manager for a good while.
Yes we all would like some signings but football is fucked up enough already without Robinson spunking money.
Some people need to wise up and start living in the real world or perhaps piss off and support Citeh or Chelsea.
Bordering on cult like religious zealot behaviour to denounce everything as being bullshit or some sort of conspiracy. KR is doing a good job from what I can see. I happen to like him but understand he is a marmite sort of bloke but the results of late have been decent and his optimism and positivity and willingness to speak frankly is refreshing.
I dont think we will go anywhere under this lot and want them gone for the past 3 years of fuckwittery but it was a great result today and that is down to the manager and the team. Pardew would spunk the budget then blame everyone else when it went tits up and left us in the shit so whilst the club is crying out for serious investment in the squad it is good to know the manager is being positive and working with what he has got and not being held to ransom by selling clubs in the notoriously poor value window.
Point is deals are deals, clubs quote a price they think they can get not one to annoy Charlton.
It is entirely the wrong window in which to do serious business but that we have to do it to give ourselves the best shot of making a play off spot is entirely due to the failures in the close season. It is remedial action. Remedial action is invariably expensive. If you have not done it before putting your name to any significant expenditure can be unnerving but it is ultimately testament to your ability to manage.
The judgement call is in itself simple. Does he truly believe the squad is capable of securing a play off spot? Will the chances of securing a spot off be suitably enhanced by bringing 1, 2, 3 new players? Just what is the "premium" you are paying over and above what he feels would be a reasonable price for acquiring those players at another time?
You then have to weigh that additional expenditure against bringing in increased media revenues in the Championship.
The team performance and result today has opened a window of opportunity. The challenge is for all of his garrulous nature does Robinson believe in his and the squads ability to seize the opportunity. He gets paid to make such decisions.
I am sure we will all be awaiting the outcome of the next few days with considerable interest.
I can think of a reason why said Championship club might think they can get Charlton to pay more than SU for a given player, but it's not the reason Robinson has in mind, and it's not "wrong".
So basically no need to make any further signings. Just continue to play more kids from the academy.
And his purchasing so far appears pretty astute. JKF, Byrne, and possible Page too, if we get a long enough look at him!
It's nothing new, so bleating about it in press conferences is not going to change anything.
Charlton are without doubt one of the bigger names in the division. The clubs where we are shopping know that we must get out of this division sooner rather than later. They have seen that we have paid very good money in the last two seasons for a few players (Mostly wasted). We have just sold two players for a combined £10 million ?
I don't think it's stretching the realms of possibility to think they might be inclined to overprice.
Or we can continue to disbelieve everything that Robinson says because we just disbelieve everything.
I want Roland out as much as anyone but I'm certainly not so cynical to dismiss as lies everything that comes out of the club. That way lies madness.
Nothing to do with him doing well.
Why not have another pop at the medical team like you did last week? After all Magennis and Pearce weren't available.
Let's face it this sequence of two points a game and five games unbeaten is killing you. Great signings like Byrne and Forster-Caskey plus KR bringing in Teixeira and Aribo just don't sit well with your narrative that everything is shite at CAFC.
KR has made seven changes since we lost to Millwall and Peterborough. Some players dropped, some back from injury, Fox and Lookman sold plus Magennis injured. And yet we go into next week's game with a good chance of a win.
And yet you are so vested in failure that you can't see any of that. No, all you see is your chance to have a pop at the manager.
Why not change the record FFS?
Or as @JamesSeed puts it:
As I said on the match thread immediately after the match thread
Bloody hell, must be one of the best performances under this dismal regime. KR deserves a reappraisal after this
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And it's such a minor inconsequential point about the transfer business. Who cares if it's something not new. It's just the way he talks or did you prefer the tight lipped Slade?
You're looking for any excuse to have a go, and I genuinely don't see why you do it.