No - one has ever taken a hat-trick in 100 tests at The Oval - would have been quite fitting for Stokes after his century in first innings.
It would have been nice but of all the great bowlers to have played test cricket at the oval Stokes doesn't feel right as the first one in that list.
Having said that Chris Tremlett has an ODI hat trick so clearly being a good bowler has nothing to do with it.
Point still stands. Of all the greats to bowl in a test match at the oval it'll always be strange that 'a batter who bowls a bit' is the one who takes the first hat trick.
Mo is the first spinner to do so for England in a test match since 1938
Mo cares not for sentiment, he does what he chooses
Blimey, take a Hat-trick, and you still don't get MOTM , although understandable given the position of the game when Stokes came to crease in first innings, plus his wickets and catches.
Popped down there with my 11 year old , £20 for an adult, £1 for u-16 good value , although £2.70 for a small bottle of water is taking the piss , 2 plain burgers and one chips came to £24!! I had 5 pints of pale ale which was nice at £5.20 a pint so feel a bit pissed . First time I've been to The Oval in a while and I liked it , although wouldn't want to be there when the ground is full cos it was less than half full and the food and drink queues were a joke .
£20 was worth it as play lasted for nearly 3 hours, and the Saffers did (in the main) make England fight for the wickets. Strange how the innings had a hat-trick PLUS two other bowlers both with hat-trick attempts
You wait ages for a hat-trick attempt then 3 come along at the same time
Popped down there with my 11 year old , £20 for an adult, £1 for u-16 good value , although £2.70 for a small bottle of water is taking the piss , 2 plain burgers and one chips came to £24!! I had 5 pints of pale ale which was nice at £5.20 a pint so feel a bit pissed . First time I've been to The Oval in a while and I liked it , although wouldn't want to be there when the ground is full cos it was less than half full and the food and drink queues were a joke .
There were water dispensers around the ground, with Sky giving out plastic bottles to refill during the match
Food and drink prices are a bit steep, but how else will Surrey be able to poach Durham's best players
I believe that the Edgbaston test v Windes is a day nighter. Does anyone know what sort of ball is being used? The reason I ask is that I have just been reading an article by Darren Stevens who was struck on the helmet in day night championship game at Trent Bridge. He was concussed and out for a while. In the article he said 8 or 9 cricketers got hit in these experimental matches using a pink ball. He also said that players found it impossible at times to pick the ball up when fielding.
I believe that the Edgbaston test v Windes is a day nighter. Does anyone know what sort of ball is being used? The reason I ask is that I have just been reading an article by Darren Stevens who was struck on the helmet in day night championship game at Trent Bridge. He was concussed and out for a while. In the article he said 8 or 9 cricketers got hit in these experimental matches using a pink ball. He also said that players found it impossible at times to pick the ball up when fielding.
mind you - when you are 86 your eyesight isn't gonna be quite up to what it was
I believe that the Edgbaston test v Windes is a day nighter. Does anyone know what sort of ball is being used? The reason I ask is that I have just been reading an article by Darren Stevens who was struck on the helmet in day night championship game at Trent Bridge. He was concussed and out for a while. In the article he said 8 or 9 cricketers got hit in these experimental matches using a pink ball. He also said that players found it impossible at times to pick the ball up when fielding.
I assume the pink ball will be used. In many ways the Championship day night matches were used as a dry run for this test match
It's a shame that the Test series against the Windies is likely to be a poor contest, especially as the PL will be back in full swing by then. The ODI series should be better, but that's right at the end of September!
Both hick and ramprakash were two brilliant batsmen utterly ruined by the bizarre selection policy in the 90's. I think they both were constantly moved up and down the order and never left to settle to nail down a position. Thus the number of tests they played and their averages don't tell even half the story.
No, totally disagree. Both were the only English qualified English batsmen who averaged over 50.00 in First Class cricket but both did not have the mental strength to succeed at the top. They made their debuts together against the West Indies in 1991 and neither of them ever held down a place. They both had good patches, both scored Test centuries and both saw England through to victories. But neither could hold down a place with consistent performances. Atherton captained both of them and in his autobiography gives a very interesting insight to Ramprakash. The lad was a bag of nerves, he'd moan that he had to bat 6 and end up having to farm the tail, then he'd moan about batting 3 because he kept getting exposed to the new ball. Hick suffered massively from the qualification rules of the late 80's early 90's. He had dominated county cricket for years but was ineligible to play for England for years, far more than now. He finally made his debut against a good, not great, but good West Indies side and struggled from the off. He never held down his place by scoring loads of runs at Test level and was identified rightly and probably wrongly exposed, by Ray Illingworth as mentally weak at the top level. Hick and Ramprakash were the last two and probably the very last two players to score one hundred First Class 100's. I think that says it all about the gulf between our 1st Class game then and Test cricket, a gulf that 10 years later is now a chasm.
I dont fully agree - the likes of Westley and TRJ in this test alone proving that 'ordinary' county players can have some success at Test level and there is not necessarily that much of a 'chasm' should you have the right mentality - but that is the key word...mental strength.There have been plenty of other examples of players having ordinary first class records but going on to being a success in Test cricket... Warner,Graeme Smith,Hashim Amla, to name a few - but they have all had their vital ingredient - mental toughness.
Both hick and ramprakash were two brilliant batsmen utterly ruined by the bizarre selection policy in the 90's. I think they both were constantly moved up and down the order and never left to settle to nail down a position. Thus the number of tests they played and their averages don't tell even half the story.
No, totally disagree. Both were the only English qualified English batsmen who averaged over 50.00 in First Class cricket but both did not have the mental strength to succeed at the top. They made their debuts together against the West Indies in 1991 and neither of them ever held down a place. They both had good patches, both scored Test centuries and both saw England through to victories. But neither could hold down a place with consistent performances. Atherton captained both of them and in his autobiography gives a very interesting insight to Ramprakash. The lad was a bag of nerves, he'd moan that he had to bat 6 and end up having to farm the tail, then he'd moan about batting 3 because he kept getting exposed to the new ball. Hick suffered massively from the qualification rules of the late 80's early 90's. He had dominated county cricket for years but was ineligible to play for England for years, far more than now. He finally made his debut against a good, not great, but good West Indies side and struggled from the off. He never held down his place by scoring loads of runs at Test level and was identified rightly and probably wrongly exposed, by Ray Illingworth as mentally weak at the top level. Hick and Ramprakash were the last two and probably the very last two players to score one hundred First Class 100's. I think that says it all about the gulf between our 1st Class game then and Test cricket, a gulf that 10 years later is now a chasm.
That's well said, it's always been the case that mental toughness is as important and probably more important than technical ability however in the last decade unless you are Ali cook or Joe Root and display obvious, immediate class then the test match is an almost impossible place to slide in. I'm not saying root and cook are the only guys who have shown this class but its getting visibly harder for decent county cricketers to become test players. In my opinion anyway
I dont fully agree - the likes of Westley and TRJ in this test alone proving that 'ordinary' county players can have some success at Test level and there is not necessarily that much of a 'chasm' should you have the right mentality - but that is the key word...mental strength.There have been plenty of other examples of players having ordinary first class records but going on to being a success in Test cricket... Warner,Graeme Smith,Hashim Amla, to name a few - but they have all had their vital ingredient - mental toughness.
Thats what I said for goodness sake! Mental strength. How many Tests have Westley and Roly-Jones played to Ramperhicks 117? Absolutely pointless mentioning them in this discussion. You've missed the point completely, again.
Ramprakash seemed to relax in his later years. Indeed going on and winning Strictly Come Dancing did help him in this respect, as he after doing a Samba in front of 9m viewers, batting for Surrey must have seemed like a doddle!
Been in the cricket wilderness these past few years due to knocking sky sports on the head.
But the discovery of Kodi and also a first trip to Trent bridge last week has reinvigorated my love for the game and I've been glued to this series via TV and TMS and think it's been brilliant. This skit with Aggers and Boycott in the TMS box this afternoon just about put the cherry on top for me! Classic. Roll on Old Trafford.
I dont fully agree - the likes of Westley and TRJ in this test alone proving that 'ordinary' county players can have some success at Test level and there is not necessarily that much of a 'chasm' should you have the right mentality - but that is the key word...mental strength.There have been plenty of other examples of players having ordinary first class records but going on to being a success in Test cricket... Warner,Graeme Smith,Hashim Amla, to name a few - but they have all had their vital ingredient - mental toughness.
Thats what I said for goodness sake! Mental strength. How many Tests have Westley and Roly-Jones played to Ramperhicks 117? Absolutely pointless mentioning them in this discussion. You've missed the point completely, again.
You're right Nom , i bow to your greater wisdom, and spelling. !
Popped down there with my 11 year old , £20 for an adult, £1 for u-16 good value , although £2.70 for a small bottle of water is taking the piss , 2 plain burgers and one chips came to £24!! I had 5 pints of pale ale which was nice at £5.20 a pint so feel a bit pissed . First time I've been to The Oval in a while and I liked it , although wouldn't want to be there when the ground is full cos it was less than half full and the food and drink queues were a joke .
There were water dispensers around the ground, with Sky giving out plastic bottles to refill during the match
Food and drink prices are a bit steep, but how else will Surrey be able to poach Durham's best players
Vaughan and Trescothick on one side... Ballance on the other. The football equivalents might be Darius Vassell and Peter Crouch Vs Andy Cole and Robbie Fowler
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Nice start to my holiday, Now for Saturday COYR
I had 5 pints of pale ale which was nice at £5.20 a pint so feel a bit pissed .
First time I've been to The Oval in a while and I liked it , although wouldn't want to be there when the ground is full cos it was less than half full and the food and drink queues were a joke .
You wait ages for a hat-trick attempt then 3 come along at the same time
Food and drink prices are a bit steep, but how else will Surrey be able to poach Durham's best players
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/40781223
The reason I ask is that I have just been reading an article by Darren Stevens who was struck on the helmet in day night championship game at Trent Bridge. He was concussed and out for a while. In the article he said 8 or 9 cricketers got hit in these experimental matches using a pink ball. He also said that players found it impossible at times to pick the ball up when fielding.
http://aod-pod-uk-live.bbcfmt.hs.llnwd.net/mpg_mp3_vlow/modav/bUnknown-b4551686-1877-4507-8c19-5832ea59748f_p05b5gn7_1501503840918.mp3?s=1501497983&e=1501541183&h=3895897b81df9b8432f11518224b944a
It's a shame that the Test series against the Windies is likely to be a poor contest, especially as the PL will be back in full swing by then. The ODI series should be better, but that's right at the end of September!
Hick and Ramprakash were the last two and probably the very last two players to score one hundred First Class 100's. I think that says it all about the gulf between our 1st Class game then and Test cricket, a gulf that 10 years later is now a chasm.
Thats what I said for goodness sake! Mental strength. How many Tests have Westley and Roly-Jones played to Ramperhicks 117? Absolutely pointless mentioning them in this discussion. You've missed the point completely, again.
But the discovery of Kodi and also a first trip to Trent bridge last week has reinvigorated my love for the game and I've been glued to this series via TV and TMS and think it's been brilliant.
This skit with Aggers and Boycott in the TMS box this afternoon just about put the cherry on top for me! Classic.
Roll on Old Trafford.
You're not born in the north are you Nom ?