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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Tit Talk Tuesday...0
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which is followed always by Wallow-in-despair-WednesdayKiwiValley said:
Takeover Tuesday...cafcwill said:So Muir has sold more of his old businesses property.
Could mean nothing, could mean everything
It is Tuesday today, the start of Roland's puppets working week.
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Looking forward to Thunder-pant-Thursday and Fuck-off-Roland-Friday thenKiwiValley said:
which is followed always by Wallow-in-despair-WednesdayKiwiValley said:
Takeover Tuesday...cafcwill said:So Muir has sold more of his old businesses property.
Could mean nothing, could mean everything
It is Tuesday today, the start of Roland's puppets working week.
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1-2-3 snaps finger and...back to the takeover thread...
As Bowyer & Jacko have sorted the playing side of things and is looking rosy, could RD Out’s tactics turn to supporting our dynamic duo to the nearest minimum on to promotion in order to reach his target price. This meaning the Bowyer and Jacko are shooting the ideal of the takeover in the foot?
1-2-3 snaps finger and...your back to Cornish pasties and the surreal amalgamation of Charlton Argyle...0 -
All this waiting for the takeover is giving me the RAVEN hump1
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I was thinking the same. A little backing in January and maybe a left back now and he could be selling a Championship club. He may even get a taste for it!Solidgone said:1-2-3 snaps finger and...back to the takeover thread...
As Bowyer & Jacko have sorted the playing side of things and is looking rosy, could RD Out’s tactics turn to supporting our dynamic duo to the nearest minimum on to promotion in order to reach his target price. This meaning the Bowyer and Jacko are shooting the ideal of the takeover in the foot?
1-2-3 snaps finger and...your back to Cornish pasties and the surreal amalgamation of Charlton Argyle...
God forbid.0 -
Time for a surge of false optimism. It's been a while since the last one.2
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Jamaican patty v Cornish pastie0
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Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?1
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Solidgone said:
4-2-3-1 snaps finger and...back to the takeover thread...
As Bowyer & Jacko have sorted the playing side of things and is looking rosy, could RD Out’s tactics turn to supporting our dynamic duo to the nearest minimum on to promotion in order to reach his target price. This meaning the Bowyer and Jacko are shooting the ideal of the takeover in the foot?
4-2-3-1 snaps finger and...your back to Cornish pasties and the surreal amalgamation of Charlton Argyle...0 - Sponsored links:
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Takeover means takeover.Scoham said:"It'll be done after Brexit"
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Higher wages will more than swallow that1
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TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.0 -
Thanks for this. So his cost cutting combined with a promotion (if it happens) might just be why he has sanctioned the players in (both loans and purchases). IF the club gains promotion then the price might go up a little - but it would make the club look like more of a going concern and there might be more takers. I fear that it is starting to look like we are stuck with Uncle Roly for the season...Henry Irving said:
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
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Value goes back up to £18m (before you take off the £7m for directors loans) surelycafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
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The increase in TV money is considerably more than that now. Although Charlton's "central income" fell from £5m to £1.8m between 2016 and 2017, following relegation, there was a £2m increase in the money paid to Championship clubs as "solidarity payments" at the same time, which we missed out on (there was a much smaller increase in L1)Henry Irving said:
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs. Charlton's commercial income was pretty static 2014-2017 despite relegation and matchday income was only £1.9m higher in 2015 than 2017.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.3 -
Didn't realise it was that much more. I stand corrected.Airman Brown said:
The increase in TV money is considerably more than that now. Although Charlton's "central income" fell from £5m to £1.8m between 2016 and 2017, following relegation, there was a £2m increase in the money paid to Championship clubs as "solidarity payments" at the same time, which we missed out on (there was a much smaller increase in L1)Henry Irving said:
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.0 - Sponsored links:
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Surely it's being one division nearer the Premier league pot of gold which gives the biggest boost to value? Especially for a reasonably sized club with a realistic chance of promotion (as opposed to a Burton or Yeovil say)cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Early doors of course, but both Sheffield United and Wigan are currently in the Championship top 6 at the moment, just 2 points behind Leeds. Both sides we've recently played in L1.4 -
Good point. I think if you combine your point of being closer to the "promised land" with the increased revenue from TV money, ticket sales and (potentially) matchday revenue - against, of course, increased player costs. Together with our London location and the fact the ground is Championship/Prem quality plus the fact we have the Bowyer/Jacko/Gallen partnership and a decent team then, to me, it would make sense to invest a bit more in the team in January and go for it. I wonder if RD would see it like that...(huh). Think this season's competition for promotion in L1 also means we would have a good shot at it.killerandflash said:
Surely it's being one division nearer the Premier league pot of gold which gives the biggest boost to value? Especially for a reasonably sized club with a realistic chance of promotion (as opposed to a Burton or Yeovil say)cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Early doors of course, but both Sheffield United and Wigan are currently in the Championship top 6 at the moment, just 2 points behind Leeds. Both sides we've recently played in L1.
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Eel Pie Island?HarryLime said:
Ibiza?cfgs said:
http://forum.charltonlife.com/profile/wightaddickHenry Irving said:
We are being bought by the people from an island, it is simply a lot smaller and closer than Australia, but it is in a southerly direction from Charlton.
Bangin'!
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Going down to Bridport at the end of October and the pasties in the bakers there are fantastic.LargeAddick said:
Yep, Chough’s in Padstow the best I’ve ever had. And I’ve had a few :-))Oggy Red said:
Good spot, Lincs.Lincsaddick said:
you'd be the wrong side of the Tamar for thatOggy Red said:
And you'll get more than 14 chips and a proper Cornish pasty.Henry Irving said:
So we are being bought by the Plymouth owners and will ground share at Home Park.Airman Brown said:They are Plymouth directors. The grey-haired one is Michael Dunford, their chief executive.
Huge potential to build a bigger stadium, large catchment area too.
Assume a merger as Charlton Argyle is the next logical and essential step.
You unicorn lovers will complain but we have to move to be successful in the premier league, there is no other way.
@Oggy Red and @charente addick will be happy.
Outside the ground, I believe they're Ivor Dewdney's pasties, made in Plymouth - so you'd be right, but I find them fine.
Their bakery is only a mile or so from the border at the River Tamar, but by definition not quite Cornish.
Ginsters, who sponsor Argyle and whose pasties can be bought in the ground, are made in Callington in Cornwall - so at least qualify as "Cornish"
But you don't want to be buying one of they, down here living in Cornwall, we regard them as factory produced supermarket fodder .... 'tis not a proper pasty, boy.
Rowes or even Warren's make a much better Cornish pasty, but I really like Chough's in Padstow, baked on the premises.
http://www.thechoughbakery.co.uk/
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Indeed pronounced "Chuff's". The Cornish chough is of course the emblem of Cornwall.lolwray said:
Presume it's pronounced chuff ...like the bird ...I once got chatting to a lady in north Wales who ran a bird sanctuary who told me with a straight face that she was longing to show me her chuff.killerandflash said:
Chough's are very good, but I've had nice pasties all over Cornwall. Pasties in Padstow (like everything else there) are more expensive too!Oggy Red said:
Good spot, Lincs.Lincsaddick said:
you'd be the wrong side of the Tamar for thatOggy Red said:
And you'll get more than 14 chips and a proper Cornish pasty.Henry Irving said:
So we are being bought by the Plymouth owners and will ground share at Home Park.Airman Brown said:They are Plymouth directors. The grey-haired one is Michael Dunford, their chief executive.
Huge potential to build a bigger stadium, large catchment area too.
Assume a merger as Charlton Argyle is the next logical and essential step.
You unicorn lovers will complain but we have to move to be successful in the premier league, there is no other way.
@Oggy Red and @charente addick will be happy.
Outside the ground, I believe they're Ivor Dewdney's pasties, made in Plymouth - so you'd be right, but I find them fine.
Their bakery is only a mile or so from the border at the River Tamar, but by definition not quite Cornish.
Ginsters, who sponsor Argyle and whose pasties can be bought in the ground, are made in Callington in Cornwall - so at least qualify as "Cornish"
But you don't want to be buying one of they, down here living in Cornwall, we regard them as factory produced supermarket fodder .... 'tis not a proper pasty, boy.
Rowes or even Warren's make a much better Cornish pasty, but I really like Chough's in Padstow, baked on the premises.
http://www.thechoughbakery.co.uk/
Ps hope this is a move away from pasties and to suggestive bird names
As it's 'bird post day' on this thread, I'll give you a link to click on while you're eating your lunch:
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/wildlife-guides/bird-a-z/chough/cornish-choughs/
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Hey. We're Charlton fans. Beyond robins is unnecessary.1
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IF we get promoted, is that such a bad thing?cafc-west said:
Thanks for this. So his cost cutting combined with a promotion (if it happens) might just be why he has sanctioned the players in (both loans and purchases). IF the club gains promotion then the price might go up a little - but it would make the club look like more of a going concern and there might be more takers. I fear that it is starting to look like we are stuck with Uncle Roly for the season...Henry Irving said:
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
It could bring someone very wealthy to the table (or back to the table if @Redhenry's lot were in that category) who would buy a Championship club but not League 1.
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In the 2017 accounts we lost about £1.6m in gate receipts following a fall in attendances of 4.5k. Commercial income stayed the same at £1.2m.Airman Brown said:
The increase in TV money is considerably more than that now. Although Charlton's "central income" fell from £5m to £1.8m between 2016 and 2017, following relegation, there was a £2m increase in the money paid to Championship clubs as "solidarity payments" at the same time, which we missed out on (there was a much smaller increase in L1)Henry Irving said:
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).cafc-west said:Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs. Charlton's commercial income was pretty static 2014-2017 despite relegation and matchday income was only £1.9m higher in 2015 than 2017.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.
Attendance is down again this year and commercial revenue has probably taken a hit also. Hard to see it getting back to the same levels as before in the Championship, even with a takeover as people will have got out of the habit of going.
TV money drives everything. Squad costs would go up if we are promoted as I'm sure they all have clauses for increases if we are promoted. Hard to see a situation where we are breaking even in the championship unless we get gates up to a 20k average.0 -
The Cornish pinch our pasty and show how backward they are by putting jam on before the cream.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663754/Are-Cornish-pasties-really-Devon-New-book-claims-snack-invented-estate-border-counties.html0 -
If anyone still feels they would be happy if Roland sold the team but retained the Valley, have a read of this in today’s paper: https://sporza.be/nl/2018/09/25/extra-time-kunstgras-stvv/
Translation:
STVV put Antwerp on the nose last weekend. With a 2-0 score, the team from Limburg sent home the oldest club in the country without points. Not so much that achievement was a discussion topic afterwards, but the bad field.
"STVV treated Antwerp on its first defeat," Filip Joos said yesterday in Extra Time. "STVV is very busy, but there is a downside to Saturday night: I came to the field two hours before the game and was scared to death, not only was I, for that artificial pitch ..."
"This goes beyond the discussion between natural and artificial grass, and I am in favor of natural grass, but, well, one team with artificial grass in our competition is allowed, but make sure it is a good synthetic turf pitch."
"The STVV field is worn down to the point: it is a carpet in a Chinese restaurant where 3,000 people walk every night, it is terrible and incredible at the same time, and it was still raining, and there was no way to play football."
"To my great delight, STVV coach Marc Brys already agreed on the dramatic state of the field before the match, and Jelle Van Damme's beard looked better than Sint-Truiden's grass. approved. "
"There is the problem that the stadium is owned by Roland Duchâtelet and that the club is now in Japanese hands, the two parties do not speak the same language, they have, I think, opposing interests, because it is a multi-purpose stadium. no longer the priority. "
"What is also noticeable: STVV plays really well, but there is not a lot of people coming in. That former atmosphere of Staaien from the 80's with a tribune that shook its foundations: where did all those people go? That has to do with the switch to artificial turf and with a very clean, albeit beautiful, stand, you offer people more comfort, yet only a third of the time comes. "
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