"Worryingly, no one can categorically say either that everytime Charlton fans annoy him in some way it doesn't make him more determined in his own mind to ensure he doesn't concede on his stance, can they?"
And by the same token no one can say it doesn't but even you accept the fan actions "annoy" him.
Even that is enough justification IMHO.
As I said way, way back even before black and white scarves and before you were a member of the CARD organising group "we have no knock out punch".
We can't do any one, single thing to remove him instantly so we have to keep jabbing away.
The protests here and in Belgium DID annoy him and DID get a response and he decided to sell. That decision wasn't only about the protests but it is reasonable and evidenced to say it was a factor. We can never know for sure how much of a factor.
Ultimately, the lack of a sale is down to the same person who caused all the mess we are in now and no one else and that is Roland Duchatelet.
Only the irrational Duchatelet can authorise a deal, all we can do is counter his lies and keep on making his time as a "owner" as uncomfortable as possible.
So we don't know whether whether further action will lead to him being more likely or less likely to sell. But we can accept that fan actions annoy him. So that is enough justification, just to annoy him, even though it may mean he owns us for even longer ?
I think like AFKA I am trying to take a considered view, based on facts. It is an undeniable fact that every action so far has not realistically brought us closer to a sale. Whether further action can hasten his departure is debatable, because no one knows. If anyone can come up with a strategy that has a chance of hastening his departure, then I'm ready to listen and potentially support.
Embarrassing him can be the only way surely, hurting his ego to the point where everyone in St Truiden is laughing at him.
A protest march along with a 6 metre Roland blimp on the way to his Melexis office like we saw with Trump and Khan and billboards of him looking like an ancient old man BR7 Addick did would both make the news and embarrass him.
I don't disagree Martin, but I've basically done that a few years ago and he's still here.
He really is a complete bell end, I am just stunned how often he reacts to this forum and posts a rant. Its just bizarre for a 'leader' to act in such a way
From Guardian, Justice Green found that neither Jimenez nor Cash actually owned Charlton. Intereesting!
then who did? Was it actually Jiminez and Cash's to sell? Maybe this is the problem.
I don't know where the judge is coming from. CAFC Holdings Ltd seems to be an offshore company so details not readily available, but the OS reported " Charlton Athletic Football Company Ltd is owned by Baton 2010 Ltd, which is owned by CAFC Holdings Limited (90 per cent) and Richard Murray (10 per cent). CAFC Holdings Limited is in turn owned by Tony Jimenez (47.6 per cent) and Michael Slater (23 per cent) plus minority shareholders with less than 10 per cent". Incidently from what I can see Murray still holds 10% which might explain why he is still a director.
Murray does not own 10 per cent, since all of Baton 2010 was sold to Staprix in 2014.
Unless we found out that Roland paid someone who wasn't the beneficial owner of the club. And therefore doesn't own it at all.
And therefore his asset is precisely zero. And we can sue him for the doing "work" on the pitch and on Sparrows Lane without the permission of the real owner. (Whoever that might (still) be).
And we can sue him for trespassing. By turning up at The Valley. A couple of times.
Thanks to Clive for the bigger picture but it mentions RM has "drag along obligations". No idea what that is.
The confirmation statement of 2016 states that RD controls at least 75%. It lists 100 shares and 900 shares. Moreover are we to believe FM sold 10% of CAFC for £300? There is no provision in accounts to suggest RD paid over the odds and why is RM still a director?
I believe that protests in Belgium do bother him and do embarrass him. Will more protests there make him sell quicker? Maybe, maybe not. But I tell you something, they will sure as hell make me feel better.
I think we can all agree with this. But our dilemma is not what will make Large Addick feel better. (not meaning to be rude etc).
From Guardian, Justice Green found that neither Jimenez nor Cash actually owned Charlton. Intereesting!
then who did? Was it actually Jiminez and Cash's to sell? Maybe this is the problem.
I don't know where the judge is coming from. CAFC Holdings Ltd seems to be an offshore company so details not readily available, but the OS reported " Charlton Athletic Football Company Ltd is owned by Baton 2010 Ltd, which is owned by CAFC Holdings Limited (90 per cent) and Richard Murray (10 per cent). CAFC Holdings Limited is in turn owned by Tony Jimenez (47.6 per cent) and Michael Slater (23 per cent) plus minority shareholders with less than 10 per cent". Incidently from what I can see Murray still holds 10% which might explain why he is still a director.
Murray does not own 10 per cent, since all of Baton 2010 was sold to Staprix in 2014.
Unless we found out that Roland paid someone who wasn't the beneficial owner of the club. And therefore doesn't own it at all.
And therefore his asset is precisely zero. And we can sue him for the doing "work" on the pitch and on Sparrows Lane without the permission of the real owner. (Whoever that might (still) be).
And we can sue him for trespassing. By turning up at The Valley. A couple of times.
Thanks to Clive for the bigger picture but it mentions RM has "drag along obligations". No idea what that is.
The confirmation statement of 2016 states that RD controls at least 75%. It lists 100 shares and 900 shares. Moreover are we to believe FM sold 10% of CAFC for £300? There is no provision in accounts to suggest RD paid over the odds and why is RM still a director?
It meant that when any money was invested in the business by the spivs, he had to put in 10 per cent of it. His stake was wiped out in 2014 as part of the deal and with it his funding obligation.
Final point. Yeah, I've got an "agenda". It is to not just sit at my keyboard moaning about Duchatelet but to work with others to get him out, as soon as possible. If you have a superior alternative plan to smart well thought out activities in Belgium then, trust me I will drop my "agenda" in a heartbeat and get behind it in any practical way.
I’ll happily discuss further
off the main forum if you so wish
Makro it is then.
I've just driven past there. Some fancy moves by Prague, but I think it's mostly bluff and bluster.
Interesting that Roland complains about “losses in The Championship” when he might well have the lowest operational loss of his ownership reign in 2019-20.
Furthermore, given we well might have a break-even year overall and a 3-year FFP loss among the lowest in the division, plus its London location, CAFC should be one of the MOST sellable clubs right now.
The real reason he can’t sell is his unreasonable price, his threats to keep the stadium, his insistence on receiving sell on fees and to top it all off, his public utterances that only a fool would buy his own club at the current price.
From Guardian, Justice Green found that neither Jimenez nor Cash actually owned Charlton. Intereesting!
then who did? Was it actually Jiminez and Cash's to sell? Maybe this is the problem.
I don't know where the judge is coming from. CAFC Holdings Ltd seems to be an offshore company so details not readily available, but the OS reported " Charlton Athletic Football Company Ltd is owned by Baton 2010 Ltd, which is owned by CAFC Holdings Limited (90 per cent) and Richard Murray (10 per cent). CAFC Holdings Limited is in turn owned by Tony Jimenez (47.6 per cent) and Michael Slater (23 per cent) plus minority shareholders with less than 10 per cent". Incidently from what I can see Murray still holds 10% which might explain why he is still a director.
Murray does not own 10 per cent, since all of Baton 2010 was sold to Staprix in 2014.
Unless we found out that Roland paid someone who wasn't the beneficial owner of the club. And therefore doesn't own it at all.
And therefore his asset is precisely zero. And we can sue him for the doing "work" on the pitch and on Sparrows Lane without the permission of the real owner. (Whoever that might (still) be).
And we can sue him for trespassing. By turning up at The Valley. A couple of times.
Thanks to Clive for the bigger picture but it mentions RM has "drag along obligations". No idea what that is.
The confirmation statement of 2016 states that RD controls at least 75%. It lists 100 shares and 900 shares. Moreover are we to believe FM sold 10% of CAFC for £300? There is no provision in accounts to suggest RD paid over the odds and why is RM still a director?
It meant that when any money was invested in the business by the spivs, he had to put in 10 per cent of it. His stake was wiped out in 2014 as part of the deal and with it his funding obligation.
I googled it and it suggests he was still a minority shareholder at the time of the Feb 18 court case.
He really is a complete bell end, I am just stunned how often he reacts to this forum and posts a rant. Its just bizarre for a 'leader' to act in such a way
I wish one of the parties that have walked away (Dalman preferably as he knows more about how an English club is run) would go on the record & tell us what RD is after. Not just sale price, but add-ons like % of future player sales etc. Surely they still wouldnt be under a NDA.
The statement starts off reasonably ok (like his interview yrsterday) until he moans how he cant sell because no-one will buy a loss making club. Does himself no favours at all.
We wont be sold this season. My worry now is that he will baton down the hatches & wont sanction any new players coming in at all. Will try to minimise the losses further & even sell someone like Taylor or Dijikstel.
Came back from a relatively Charlton Life free holiday and the mood on here has changed.
Maybe if you follow it all the time it isn't quite so noticeable.
As my name suggests I am going on Saturday. If anyone can can come up with a song that lets management and team know we love em and hate the prat then I feel it would get sung definitely at an away following game.
Maybe if it hits the right note then it may get picked up at home. My first game is Brentford so hope it has caught on by then. That is really just to vent our anger though real damage needs to be done in Belgium.
Again there are people better than me at this but by words on here alone there appears some appetite to raise cash and the local tempreture on him. I am an occasional contributor so don't pretend to be a Belgium tourist or anything just want the prick out of our club.
Roland claims the losses in the Championship stop buyers from completing the takeover. If that's the case then why are some of them still around?
The statement on the OS today confirms they're "still active".
Talks appeared to progress initially. Unfortunately though, as we near the start of the season, a takeover has not happened. While the interested parties are still active, the fact they haven’t concluded a sale yet means the club is very much still on the market.
From Guardian, Justice Green found that neither Jimenez nor Cash actually owned Charlton. Intereesting!
then who did? Was it actually Jiminez and Cash's to sell? Maybe this is the problem.
I don't know where the judge is coming from. CAFC Holdings Ltd seems to be an offshore company so details not readily available, but the OS reported " Charlton Athletic Football Company Ltd is owned by Baton 2010 Ltd, which is owned by CAFC Holdings Limited (90 per cent) and Richard Murray (10 per cent). CAFC Holdings Limited is in turn owned by Tony Jimenez (47.6 per cent) and Michael Slater (23 per cent) plus minority shareholders with less than 10 per cent". Incidently from what I can see Murray still holds 10% which might explain why he is still a director.
Murray does not own 10 per cent, since all of Baton 2010 was sold to Staprix in 2014.
Unless we found out that Roland paid someone who wasn't the beneficial owner of the club. And therefore doesn't own it at all.
And therefore his asset is precisely zero. And we can sue him for the doing "work" on the pitch and on Sparrows Lane without the permission of the real owner. (Whoever that might (still) be).
And we can sue him for trespassing. By turning up at The Valley. A couple of times.
Thanks to Clive for the bigger picture but it mentions RM has "drag along obligations". No idea what that is.
The confirmation statement of 2016 states that RD controls at least 75%. It lists 100 shares and 900 shares. Moreover are we to believe FM sold 10% of CAFC for £300? There is no provision in accounts to suggest RD paid over the odds and why is RM still a director?
It meant that when any money was invested in the business by the spivs, he had to put in 10 per cent of it. His stake was wiped out in 2014 as part of the deal and with it his funding obligation.
I googled it and it suggests he was still a minority shareholder at the time of the Feb 18 court case.
The court case related to the situation before 2014. The current ownership structure is reported in the annual accounts.
It’s good of the owner to continue to pay staff and the bills. FFS it’s his company, dam good of him to pay his employees and his bloody bills. The man is delusional.
Yep, what an absolute gent. I got paid today and must dash off a quick thankyou to payroll for being so awfully nice!
So we are back to sq 1? Nothing happening despite a lot of talk this summer of it defo happening. I think we can all agree it will be a tough season ahead. But imagine the happiness of an away win at the Den or a surprise victory over Leeds or Fulham. Of course we will lose a lot more than we have done last season but I still look forward to the season despite the helmet and the mess. I look forward to the saturday evenings after a rare win. Bowyer and Gallen and the rest of the staff have done a job under shit conditions and we just have to stick together now and support them. Lets get to Jan and see where we are.
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The confirmation statement of 2016 states that RD controls at least 75%. It lists 100 shares and 900 shares. Moreover are we to believe FM sold 10% of CAFC for £300? There is no provision in accounts to suggest RD paid over the odds and why is RM still a director?
But our dilemma is not what will make Large Addick feel better. (not meaning to be rude etc).
Furthermore, given we well might have a break-even year overall and a 3-year FFP loss among the lowest in the division, plus its London location, CAFC should be one of the MOST sellable clubs right now.
The real reason he can’t sell is his unreasonable price, his threats to keep the stadium, his insistence on receiving sell on fees and to top it all off, his public utterances that only a fool would buy his own club at the current price.
The statement starts off reasonably ok (like his interview yrsterday) until he moans how he cant sell because no-one will buy a loss making club. Does himself no favours at all.
We wont be sold this season. My worry now is that he will baton down the hatches & wont sanction any new players coming in at all. Will try to minimise the losses further & even sell someone like Taylor or Dijikstel.
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The statement on the OS today confirms they're "still active".
the bloke is a C&&t and totally un-negotiable with
if he is not Insane then the is 100% doing this for pleasure
there’s one way out and it costs 6k and if caught life in jail
“who’s there?”
“Roland”
”Roland who?”
“Roland Duchatelet”
”well in that case, please fuck off and sell the club”
I think we can all agree it will be a tough season ahead. But imagine the happiness of an away win at the Den or a surprise victory over Leeds or Fulham. Of course we will lose a lot more than we have done last season but I still look forward to the season despite the helmet and the mess. I look forward to the saturday evenings after a rare win.
Bowyer and Gallen and the rest of the staff have done a job under shit conditions and we just have to stick together now and support them. Lets get to Jan and see where we are.
What in your opinion stopped it going through, is it as simple as the asking price?