Just what need to boost flagging morale..another house selling analogy.
...at least I used the analogy of a car; which the owner had driven into a wall and subsequently then tried to sell at three times the list price for a brand new model
DW - Do you have any football clubs? ML -MARGARET - do we have any football clubs? Yes, we have Charlton Athletic. DW - What is the price then good sir? ML -Only £20 million pounds DW - Only £20 million, I agree. ML - Ok - er great, do you want me to wrap it up? DW - Why? ML - Well you want to buy the club? DW - No, I agree the price is £20 million (stands gormlessly)
He has played every single person involved in the club he is as addicted has said a master manipulator and one that has enjoyed the last 4 months than any of his previous
When he has finished playing he will toss us aside for a fee he is happy with and it won’t be anywhere near the numbers mentioned
He has deliberately played Rick ,CARD, Murray
I can see how it could look like that the way the cards have fallen, but it doesn't ring true to me. Sure he's a manipulator, but I honestly don't think he has either the emotional intelligence or the personal interest to do that. This is a man who bought a football club and then couldn't be arsed to see them play, do you honestly believe he's sitting in his Merksem lair playing silly games with the aim of tricking a fanzine editor into publishing an over-optimistic story about the time scale of his departure? This is a man who thinks he's Alan Turing, not a man who thinks he's Ernst Blofeld.
I genuinely believe that RD wants to sell but is in turmoil over the money he'll lose. Rather than being some all-powerful player the silly old git has got himself caught between a rock and a hard place: He wants more money for the club than it is worth, so his solution is to play hardball with potential buyers hoping that he can wring more out of the deal by being patient and playing one off against another. In a normal situation with a profitable or (at least) break even business, that might make sense. The trouble for RD is that he is losing £1m a month - and personally contributing to these huge deficits by his very own presence. The longer he holds out, the more it costs him.
As for the buyers, why would they want to bid more than their initial valuations simply because some mad old git holds the deeds? This may come as a painful revelation to some, but Charlton are probably not the most attractive purchase in the football league. Although there is potential, it is no greater than for many other mid-ranking league clubs. There are a dozen or so similarly sized clubs in the middle reaches of the football league who could potentially reach the land of milk and honey if only given the right investment. Clubs in the Championship and League One frequently come up for sale. With the possible exception of Muir, who was understood to be a genuine Charlton man, potential investors could easily take their money elsewhere. And of course, the longer Duchatelet hangs on the more debt he incurs. So we're in a Mexican stand-off at the moment, there's nothing more sinister than that; different parties all holding out to see what the others do. Some potential investors (the analogy demands use of the world cowboys, but that is maybe unfair on some) may come or go, but ultimately they are all waiting for someone to surrender or blink. The unfortunate truth for Roly, but the happy fact for us, is that increasing debt means he will have to sell at some point. He is Tuco Ramírez, the ugly one, those million a month costs effectively mean that he's the one in a gunfight with an unloaded gun.
If he wanted to silence CARD and VoTV he could do it at a stroke. All he'd have to do is sell. It would be far easier and in the long run will cause him less trouble. He's got a bigger fight on his hands at the moment though.
Disagree about the potential. We are close to one of the financial centers of the world. I have flown into City airport a couple of times on business from Switzerland and often thought what a great location the ground is in especially with all the development in the area as well. Any businessman buying the club could stick their logo on the roof of the valley and have great brand awareness. I would see us as more attractive than a Blackburn or Wigan for a savvy investor.
I'm certainly not saying we haven't got potential, I just think that as fans we're a little inclined to look a little on the sunny side. Just as you can put good reasons why we've got potential, the fans of most other clubs can do similarly. Sure, we're close to the city and that is a bonus, but South London's shit transport links let it down badly (see the Southern Rail thread for details) and anyway, in era of modern digital technology, proximity to the city is less important than ever. I don't know if anyone has thought about doing this, but if a modern day owner ever wanted to, they could watch all the games on a live feed to their home, office or favourite restaurant and never even visit the ground. As for roof advertising it can be very effective. The Mercedes stadium in Atlanta is probably the greatest example, but the key thing to remember is that most people will never see it in the flesh. It is only a viable proposition because millions of people will see it via internet links like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RAkUwNvYc
Whether it's worth the effort of painting The Valley roof I've know idea - my suspicion is that if it was a viable proposition it would already have been done. In terms of giving us a bigger potential than other clubs though, it can't be that big a deal. 5 million people use City airport every year - a drop in the ocean compared to the 75m who fly over Griffin Park.
He has played every single person involved in the club he is as addicted has said a master manipulator and one that has enjoyed the last 4 months than any of his previous
When he has finished playing he will toss us aside for a fee he is happy with and it won’t be anywhere near the numbers mentioned
He has deliberately played Rick ,CARD, Murray
I can see how it could look like that the way the cards have fallen, but it doesn't ring true to me. Sure he's a manipulator, but I honestly don't think he has either the emotional intelligence or the personal interest to do that. This is a man who bought a football club and then couldn't be arsed to see them play, do you honestly believe he's sitting in his Merksem lair playing silly games with the aim of tricking a fanzine editor into publishing an over-optimistic story about the time scale of his departure? This is a man who thinks he's Alan Turing, not a man who thinks he's Ernst Blofeld.
I genuinely believe that RD wants to sell but is in turmoil over the money he'll lose. Rather than being some all-powerful player the silly old git has got himself caught between a rock and a hard place: He wants more money for the club than it is worth, so his solution is to play hardball with potential buyers hoping that he can wring more out of the deal by being patient and playing one off against another. In a normal situation with a profitable or (at least) break even business, that might make sense. The trouble for RD is that he is losing £1m a month - and personally contributing to these huge deficits by his very own presence. The longer he holds out, the more it costs him.
As for the buyers, why would they want to bid more than their initial valuations simply because some mad old git holds the deeds? This may come as a painful revelation to some, but Charlton are probably not the most attractive purchase in the football league. Although there is potential, it is no greater than for many other mid-ranking league clubs. There are a dozen or so similarly sized clubs in the middle reaches of the football league who could potentially reach the land of milk and honey if only given the right investment. Clubs in the Championship and League One frequently come up for sale. With the possible exception of Muir, who was understood to be a genuine Charlton man, potential investors could easily take their money elsewhere. And of course, the longer Duchatelet hangs on the more debt he incurs. So we're in a Mexican stand-off at the moment, there's nothing more sinister than that; different parties all holding out to see what the others do. Some potential investors (the analogy demands use of the world cowboys, but that is maybe unfair on some) may come or go, but ultimately they are all waiting for someone to surrender or blink. The unfortunate truth for Roly, but the happy fact for us, is that increasing debt means he will have to sell at some point. He is Tuco Ramírez, the ugly one, those million a month costs effectively mean that he's the one in a gunfight with an unloaded gun.
If he wanted to silence CARD and VoTV he could do it at a stroke. All he'd have to do is sell. It would be far easier and in the long run will cause him less trouble. He's got a bigger fight on his hands at the moment though.
Disagree about the potential. We are close to one of the financial centers of the world. I have flown into City airport a couple of times on business from Switzerland and often thought what a great location the ground is in especially with all the development in the area as well. Any businessman buying the club could stick their logo on the roof of the valley and have great brand awareness. I would see us as more attractive than a Blackburn or Wigan for a savvy investor.
I'm certainly not saying we haven't got potential, I just think that as fans we're a little inclined to look a little on the sunny side. Just as you can put good reasons why we've got potential, the fans of most other clubs can do similarly. Sure, we're close to the city and that is a bonus, but South London's shit transport links let it down badly (see the Southern Rail thread for details) and anyway, in era of modern digital technology, proximity to the city is less important than ever. I don't know if anyone has thought about doing this, but if a modern day owner ever wanted to, they could watch all the games on a live feed to their home, office or favourite restaurant and never even visit the ground. As for roof advertising it can be very effective. The Mercedes stadium in Atlanta is probably the greatest example, but the key thing to remember is that most people will never see it in the flesh. It is only a viable proposition because millions of people will see it via internet links like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RAkUwNvYc
Whether it's worth the effort of painting The Valley roof I've know idea - my suspicion is that if it was a viable proposition it would already have been done. In terms of giving us a bigger potential than other clubs though, it can't be that big a deal. 5 million people use City airport every year - a drop in the ocean compared to the 75m who fly over Griffin Park.
Fair point about Brentford but also it seems we are on the Heathrow flight path as well judging by the number of planes that fly over my parents house in Blackheath when I am home! The Valley is also a premier league standard stadium and the last time I was at Griifin park it wasn't. I would say you have a higher proportion of business execs flying into City plus the number of individuals with a higher disposable income living in the Docklands nowadays. The Valley would be a better football experience than the Olympic stadium and safer LOL.
Told 2 pieces of news today and am just passing them on 1) robinson will be gone within the week 2) duchatalet was at the ground this morning.
Have you got any evidence of those things?
yes - there is a series of footprints in the car park that, if you analyse them closely, clearly have a band of duct tape imprint showing and there is a suitcase full of jacamo clobber in a house in chislehurst - i will post photos of both up in a minute. What sort of evidence? i'm just passing this on - this isn't cast iron (like my normal info) its come from a completely different source so how true it is i don't know but wouldn't surprise me at all.
if it is true, my hunch is the aussies are finalising the deal with duchatalet, murray is away as won't be involved, robbo is not part of aussies plans but jacko may hold the fort / be a last throw of the dice this season / be part of the coacing staff next year. i think this all fits with what is happening now and the noises coming out of robbo. it is a pure hunch - apologies can't be arsed with the caps, grammer etc
Robinson going wouldn’t be a surprise but would think if RD was at the ground would be a few reports of it, plenty of people about on a Saturday (although not that many looking at the pictures).
if it is true, my hunch is the aussies are finalising the deal with duchatalet, murray is away as won't be involved, robbo is not part of aussies plans but jacko may hold the fort / be a last throw of the dice this season / be part of the coacing staff next year. i think this all fits with what is happening now and the noises coming out of robbo. it is a pure hunch - apologies can't be arsed with the caps, grammer etc
You may well be right. Don't think it's the Aussies though.
if it is true, my hunch is the aussies are finalising the deal with duchatalet, murray is away as won't be involved, robbo is not part of aussies plans but jacko may hold the fort / be a last throw of the dice this season / be part of the coacing staff next year. i think this all fits with what is happening now and the noises coming out of robbo. it is a pure hunch - apologies can't be arsed with the caps, grammer etc
You may well be right. Don't think it's the Aussies though.
Told 2 pieces of news today and am just passing them on 1) robinson will be gone within the week 2) duchatalet was at the ground this morning.
Have you got any evidence of those things?
yes - there is a series of footprints in the car park that, if you analyse them closely, clearly have a band of duct tape imprint showing and there is a suitcase full of jacamo clobber in a house in chislehurst - i will post photos of both up in a minute. What sort of evidence? i'm just passing this on - this isn't cast iron (like my normal info) its come from a completely different source so how true it is i don't know but wouldn't surprise me at all.
if it is true, my hunch is the aussies are finalising the deal with duchatalet, murray is away as won't be involved, robbo is not part of aussies plans but jacko may hold the fort / be a last throw of the dice this season / be part of the coacing staff next year. i think this all fits with what is happening now and the noises coming out of robbo. it is a pure hunch - apologies can't be arsed with the caps, grammer etc
You may well be right. Don't think it's the Aussies though.
Can’t believe Roland was at The Valley and we don’t have actual proof. If he was did he hide for six hours or if it was a brief in out then why bother.
Can’t believe Roland was at The Valley and we don’t have actual proof. If he was did he hide for six hours or if it was a brief in out then why bother.
Fake news
He says he was at the Valley this morning not that he was there for the game.
Can’t believe Roland was at The Valley and we don’t have actual proof. If he was did he hide for six hours or if it was a brief in out then why bother.
Fake news
He says he was at the Valley this morning not that he was there for the game.
Most that were there for the game wish they had also done that.
Can’t believe Roland was at The Valley and we don’t have actual proof. If he was did he hide for six hours or if it was a brief in out then why bother.
Fake news
He says he was at the Valley this morning not that he was there for the game.
On match days The Valley is swarming with people from quite early on. No reports as far as I know of him being there. I don’t believe he was.
Can’t believe Roland was at The Valley and we don’t have actual proof. If he was did he hide for six hours or if it was a brief in out then why bother.
Fake news
He says he was at the Valley this morning not that he was there for the game.
On match days The Valley is swarming with 10 people from quite early on. No reports as far as I know of him being there. I don’t believe he was.
Can’t believe Roland was at The Valley and we don’t have actual proof. If he was did he hide for six hours or if it was a brief in out then why bother.
Fake news
No-one saw him as he was playing up front for us today.
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DW - Do you have any football clubs?
ML -MARGARET - do we have any football clubs? Yes, we have Charlton Athletic.
DW - What is the price then good sir?
ML -Only £20 million pounds
DW - Only £20 million, I agree.
ML - Ok - er great, do you want me to wrap it up?
DW - Why?
ML - Well you want to buy the club?
DW - No, I agree the price is £20 million (stands gormlessly)
Whether it's worth the effort of painting The Valley roof I've know idea - my suspicion is that if it was a viable proposition it would already have been done. In terms of giving us a bigger potential than other clubs though, it can't be that big a deal. 5 million people use City airport every year - a drop in the ocean compared to the 75m who fly over Griffin Park.
Fake news