Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
Anyone who thought of believed that we were ever close or remotely close to being sold must surely now accept that they have been misslead and probably deliberately lied too
I don't think that's the case, to be honest, except in the sense that no one ever knows what the mad bastard in Belgium is going to do next. A huge amount of time and money has been spent on professional services towards a sale - that isn't where we were this time last year.
Meire has gone and not been replaced, which relates directly to a sale.
Murray would not have gone on the record in the way he has unless he believed it was likely to happen. Even if you buy the argument that he was desperate to avoid protests, that level of public deception would be the end of him at Charlton. If he didn't want protests on January 20th, what are likely to be the consequences for his reputation of his story unwinding now?
But I do think - and have always thought - that the sole reason for the December 28th announcement about Duchatelet selling was to cover his humiliation that Meire had walked out on him - the omnipotent one had to show he was in control of events, even though he wasn't.
Sorry bud. You've been played big time.
Duchatelet enemy No 1
Murray too? And Robinson? What would be the point of that, exactly?
Did they hire in Donald Muir and Alex McLeish as part of the plot?
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
Has anyone ITK been able to confirm that it has stalled because of the excessive price RD is demanding for the club?
well Redhenry said that the two parties know what price RD wants but they are not willing to match it yet. so I guess its a waiting game to see if a compromise can be made. RD by the sounds of it has already pissed one previous party off (Scottish lot) as they couldn't bring RD down to a realistic figure.
Yet RM said they had both agreed on the price and it was down to the lawyers to finalise.
Maybe the lawyers are still lawyering?
Oh, they are.
About time you made your selection on the Predction Thread Airman. I'm early May, and reasonably happy with that. Cracking prize of offer you know! (Not for me of course.)
As a dad who wants to make more Charlton memories with his kids this is starting to really piss me off. F off Roland and let our s e London community enjoy its club.
I met Karl, on behalf of CAS Trust, last year, and spent a long time with him. From the outset he came across as a decent chap. I'd gone to meet with him as he had asked for background information about the protests against Duchatelet. I was a little anxious, because I thought that the club's PR man might be in attendance - he was - and that, in advising of the problems, the club could more easily attend to fixing them. Now, that might be a good thing, but my point is that I did not want to be of help to the Duchatelet project.
I offered Karl a summary history of CAFC, going back to 1982, when Lennie Lawrence took over from Ken Craggs. The High Court, the close season re-build of 1985, the promotion of 1986, the start of the campaign to bring Charlton home, the Play-Offs, the togetherness of the team, the fans keeping the club alive at Selhurst, The Valley Party, the Red, White and Black campaign, the Fans' Director initiative, etc.
I told Karl that I was a boycotter and that I saw little good coming from this regime. He wanted me to return. I wished him well, but said that I would not return until a new ownership was realised. I also opined that he might find things difficult at Charlton. A little while after our meeting, in a pub in Greenwich, I wrote to him to thank him for his time.
In recent weeks, Karl has spoken out. I admire him for that. As to the playing tactics: much has been written about this. I have my view on it (albeit from a position of not having witnessed the team, but I have the measure of it from this forum).
I found Karl, his assistant at the time, Richie Barker, who also attended, and the club's PR man, Tom Rubashow, to be decent chaps. I hope I don't appear a sycophant in writing this but, whatever happens to Karl, I shall remember him as a bright, chatty, and pleasant man.
What confuses me - not about the summary, but what we have been told by Murray in terms of a price being agreed with two parties - is say you are buying a house - if you don't want to pay the price the seller is asking, you don't agree that price. Of course you can agree that you understand what the price is, as per this summary, which doesn't work for a house but could for a club with lots of contracts and clauses to wade through! but that sounds a bit weird. Not in itself, but in the fact we were given to believe the deal was imminent!
What Muttley says is what I’m thinking .
Silly house analogy time . If you put a house up for sale ,that’s worth £250k, for £550k and it’s quoted on request . If 100 people walk in and request that price , get told it and acknowledge it (assuming everyone has to come in to the estate agents with £750k buying power , yes it’s bullshit but bear with me)
You wouldn’t then announce I’ve agreed a price with 100 buyers and both sides lawyers are looking in to it . No one is full of that much fuckwitterdom are they ? Or has Roland had that much smoke blown up his arse that he’s confused and misread things and gone on to mislead others . It’s all too weird for that scenario to happen , so I believe in principle a price may have been agreed but with some wiggle room being available with players values , promotion etc and that’s where both sides are haggling and fannying around with atm
Third (or second depending on who you believe) party which appears to be RedHenry’s lot are waiting in the wings to match any bid made for the club. Problem is no bid has been made for the club yet.
There you go. That’s all I know.
That being the case what's the point of any party being interested and spending time, energy and not inconsiderable legal costs just to be trumped by Red Henry's man at the finishing line! If this is thought to be common knowledge, then it's little wonder no firm offers have been or are likely to be made Airman and Addickted your views on my reasoning would be welcome.
Anyone who thought of believed that we were ever close or remotely close to being sold must surely now accept that they have been misslead and probably deliberately lied too
I don't think that's the case, to be honest, except in the sense that no one ever knows what the mad bastard in Belgium is going to do next. A huge amount of time and money has been spent on professional services towards a sale - that isn't where we were this time last year.
Meire has gone and not been replaced, which relates directly to a sale.
Murray would not have gone on the record in the way he has unless he believed it was likely to happen. Even if you buy the argument that he was desperate to avoid protests, that level of public deception would be the end of him at Charlton. If he didn't want protests on January 20th, what are likely to be the consequences for his reputation of his story unwinding now?
But I do think - and have always thought - that the sole reason for the December 28th announcement about Duchatelet selling was to cover his humiliation that Meire had walked out on him - the omnipotent one had to show he was in control of events, even though he wasn't.
Sorry bud. You've been played big time.
Duchatelet enemy No 1
Murray too? And Robinson? What would be the point of that, exactly?
Did they hire in Donald Muir and Alex McLeish as part of the plot?
Although I’m a bit more relaxed about the eventual sale (ie, as others have said, it will happen just be patient), what I do worry about is the state of the squad come next season if we don’t get a chance to have some sort of transfer window in the summer
This noise KR is making about planning forward etc is a valid (albeit I think he used it as a smokescreen for how shite Tuesday was). If we don’t get players to sign new contracts and draw up targets, we’re gonna have the majority of the u23s potentially playing next season
Our squad as it is is just about hanging onto top 10. Lose a Fosu or Aribo in the summer without getting a buyer in, and we’re in a relegation battle next season
I just don't see this at all. We are not yet in April - contracts don't run out until the end of June & players can't be bought until the start of June. No-one is going anywhere as of yet & can't do until June 1st (and that only applies to those out of contract at July 1st). As for the 2 players you named - they're contracts don't run out at that point in any case so they certainly won't be leaving anytime soon. Most clubs wont be drawing up players to sign until May anyway so I think we have a few months before things start looking dodgy. I'm confident that the takeover will be done before the end of May.
It may surprise you but don’t forget we started chasing Reeves in January and look how long that took to get done. Players who are out of contract will have their agents taking to Clubs from January onwards and by the time we get involved we will be well behind everyone else. At the moment Gallen could talk to agents but won’t have a scooby as to what he can offer them. If we have to wait until May then we are playing catch up unless new owners come in and chuck big money at it.
Talk of playing mainly youngsters is way OTT in my opinion but without being backed by money the manager won’t be getting any of his first or second choices.
Anyone who thought of believed that we were ever close or remotely close to being sold must surely now accept that they have been misslead and probably deliberately lied too
I don't think that's the case, to be honest, except in the sense that no one ever knows what the mad bastard in Belgium is going to do next. A huge amount of time and money has been spent on professional services towards a sale - that isn't where we were this time last year.
Meire has gone and not been replaced, which relates directly to a sale.
Murray would not have gone on the record in the way he has unless he believed it was likely to happen. Even if you buy the argument that he was desperate to avoid protests, that level of public deception would be the end of him at Charlton. If he didn't want protests on January 20th, what are likely to be the consequences for his reputation of his story unwinding now?
But I do think - and have always thought - that the sole reason for the December 28th announcement about Duchatelet selling was to cover his humiliation that Meire had walked out on him - the omnipotent one had to show he was in control of events, even though he wasn't.
Sorry bud. You've been played big time.
Duchatelet enemy No 1
Murray too? And Robinson? What would be the point of that, exactly?
Did they hire in Donald Muir and Alex McLeish as part of the plot?
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Although I’m a bit more relaxed about the eventual sale (ie, as others have said, it will happen just be patient), what I do worry about is the state of the squad come next season if we don’t get a chance to have some sort of transfer window in the summer
This noise KR is making about planning forward etc is a valid (albeit I think he used it as a smokescreen for how shite Tuesday was). If we don’t get players to sign new contracts and draw up targets, we’re gonna have the majority of the u23s potentially playing next season
Our squad as it is is just about hanging onto top 10. Lose a Fosu or Aribo in the summer without getting a buyer in, and we’re in a relegation battle next season
I just don't see this at all. We are not yet in April - contracts don't run out until the end of June & players can't be bought until the start of June. No-one is going anywhere as of yet & can't do until June 1st (and that only applies to those out of contract at July 1st). As for the 2 players you named - they're contracts don't run out at that point in any case so they certainly won't be leaving anytime soon. Most clubs wont be drawing up players to sign until May anyway so I think we have a few months before things start looking dodgy. I'm confident that the takeover will be done before the end of May.
If I remember correctly players are able to sign pre-contract agreements with a new club from February so I believe you are incorrect.
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.
Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.
Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)
Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
Well in the last three months, he's managed to manipulate;
Not replacing the CEO, not replacing the FD, selling the player of the year, withdrawing all funding from his prized Sparrows Lane academy development, not provided funding for strengthening the squad, pissed off the players and the manager with no clear direction and fooling Murray into making two statements which appear to be nothing other than obfuscation.
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.
Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.
Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)
Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
You don’t have to believe what the bloke says for what he is saying to be of use. You just have to think about why he is saying it and what benefit there is to him as well.
The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
Well in the last three months, he's managed to manipulate;
Not replacing the CEO, not replacing the FD, selling the player of the year, withdrawing all funding from his prized Sparrows Lane academy development, not provided funding for strengthening the squad, pissed off the players and the manager with no clear direction and fooling Murray into making two statements which appear to be nothing other than obfuscation.
Pretty consistent there if you ask me.
Not doing things is not really evidence of anything except his lack of interest in the club. It’s hardly manipulation.
He has played every single person involved in the club he is as addicted has said a master manipulator and one that has enjoyed the last 4 months than any of his previous
When he has finished playing he will toss us aside for a fee he is happy with and it won’t be anywhere near the numbers mentioned
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.
Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.
Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)
Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
You don’t have to believe what the bloke says for what he is saying to be of use. You just have to think about why he is saying it and what benefit there is to him as well.
The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.
I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about him engaging with prospective purchasers. We know the guy loves to talk, we know Duchâtelet can sell when he wants/ doesn't care/ is a fruitcake/ possibly malicious ("I won't be blackmailed by anyone" quote re protests)
As for his announcement, it *did* stop a protest. Granted though it has shown up to be disingenuous for whatever reason.
Not disputing his personal lack of interest, but he will have professional advisors working under his instructions who are more than capable of pleasing the boss, including using underhand tactics.
Somebody, somewhere is releasing deliberately contradictory information. Why would that be?
He has played every single person involved in the club he is as addicted has said a master manipulator and one that has enjoyed the last 4 months than any of his previous
When he has finished playing he will toss us aside for a fee he is happy with and it won’t be anywhere near the numbers mentioned
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.
Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.
Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)
Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
You don’t have to believe what the bloke says for what he is saying to be of use. You just have to think about why he is saying it and what benefit there is to him as well.
The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.
It has been suggested elsewhere that Duchâtelet might well be using Murray to manipulate fans and keep a lid on dissent, which is very different form saying Murray is doing the manipulating
Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...
1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.
2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.
3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.
4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.
6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.
7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.
8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.
9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.
10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.
11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.
12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.
13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.
Is that about it?
Good summary. However one key point has been left out.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
Well in the last three months, he's managed to manipulate;
Not replacing the CEO, not replacing the FD, selling the player of the year, withdrawing all funding from his prized Sparrows Lane academy development, not provided funding for strengthening the squad, pissed off the players and the manager with no clear direction and fooling Murray into making two statements which appear to be nothing other than obfuscation.
Pretty consistent there if you ask me.
Which just goes to prove he doesn't give a flying about Charlton and probably devotes about five seconds per day thinking about us. As he has often said CAFC is only a small part of his empire and I have this nagging feeling that he will hold out to get what he wants for as long as possible. Fear we could be in for more long, dark days ahead before this abomination of a man disappears over the hill and becomes a footnote in our history.
Here's an analogy. It's based on selling a house. I'm surprised no-one has thought of this before...
If you are trying to sell your house but you're a complete dick and you spend your time dicking about and, frankly, acting like a dick, after several months, you'll still own the house.
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Did they hire in Donald Muir and Alex McLeish as part of the plot?
- he was - and that, in advising of the problems, the club could more easily attend to fixing them. Now, that might be a good thing, but my point is that I did not want to be of help to the Duchatelet project.
I offered Karl a summary history of CAFC, going back to 1982, when Lennie Lawrence took over from Ken Craggs. The High Court, the close season re-build of 1985, the promotion of 1986, the start of the campaign to bring Charlton home, the Play-Offs, the togetherness of the team, the fans keeping the club alive at Selhurst, The Valley Party, the Red, White and Black campaign, the Fans' Director initiative, etc.
I told Karl that I was a boycotter and that I saw little good coming from this regime. He wanted me to return.
I wished him well, but said that I would not return until a new ownership was realised. I also opined that he might find things difficult at Charlton. A little while after our meeting, in a pub in Greenwich, I wrote to him to thank him for his time.
In recent weeks, Karl has spoken out. I admire him for that. As to the playing tactics: much has been written about this. I have my view on it (albeit from a position of not having witnessed the team, but I have the measure of it from this forum).
I found Karl, his assistant at the time, Richie Barker, who also attended, and the club's PR man, Tom Rubashow, to be decent chaps. I hope I don't appear a sycophant in writing this but, whatever happens to Karl, I shall remember him as a bright, chatty, and pleasant man.
Silly house analogy time .
If you put a house up for sale ,that’s worth £250k, for £550k and it’s quoted on request .
If 100 people walk in and request that price , get told it and acknowledge it (assuming everyone has to come in to the estate agents with £750k buying power , yes it’s bullshit but bear with me)
You wouldn’t then announce I’ve agreed a price with 100 buyers and both sides lawyers are looking in to it .
No one is full of that much fuckwitterdom are they ?
Or has Roland had that much smoke blown up his arse that he’s confused and misread things and gone on to mislead others .
It’s all too weird for that scenario to happen , so I believe in principle a price may have been agreed but with some wiggle room being available with players values , promotion etc and that’s where both sides are haggling and fannying around with atm
If this is thought to be common knowledge, then it's little wonder no firm offers have been or are likely to be made
Airman and Addickted your views on my reasoning would be welcome.
But ' Done deal' ? Come on.
Talk of playing mainly youngsters is way OTT in my opinion but without being backed by money the manager won’t be getting any of his first or second choices.
Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.
Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.
Belgium humour eh?
Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.
Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)
Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
Not replacing the CEO, not replacing the FD, selling the player of the year, withdrawing all funding from his prized Sparrows Lane academy development, not provided funding for strengthening the squad, pissed off the players and the manager with no clear direction and fooling Murray into making two statements which appear to be nothing other than obfuscation.
Pretty consistent there if you ask me.
The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.
When he has finished playing he will toss us aside for a fee he is happy with and it won’t be anywhere near the numbers mentioned
He has deliberately played Rick ,CARD, Murray
As for his announcement, it *did* stop a protest. Granted though it has shown up to be disingenuous for whatever reason.
Previously I would have said Meire but that cant be the case now. RD just wouldn’t put any time into it at all imo bar the odd, short email response.
Somebody, somewhere is releasing deliberately contradictory information. Why would that be?
It has been suggested elsewhere that Duchâtelet might well be using Murray to manipulate fans and keep a lid on dissent, which is very different form saying Murray is doing the manipulating
If you are trying to sell your house but you're a complete dick and you spend your time dicking about and, frankly, acting like a dick, after several months, you'll still own the house.