I agree with NLA, circumstances have changed & the prootests need to be shelved for the time being. We need to get behind Bowyer & the team. But I'm confident CARD feel the same. They always call it right IMO.
Then we may as well give up then, you’ve pretty much accepted the status quo and Roland may as well stay if that’s the consensus
Give up , Roland may as well stay
what are you on about ?
When was the last time you woke up feeling like a real bit of Charlton returned to SE7 on match day In the last 4 yrs
Bowyer and Jacko are not in place because of RD there in there in spite of RD
The players played for their Mgr and the fans and their own pride , professionalism not for RD and the bullshit he has delivered
We all of us need to realise that we still have a footballing chance of going into the playoffs and then it’s anyones chance for promotion
Whilst that is an option and possibility go to the games with only happy positives and optimism surely that’s what got you going there in the first place
Have you forgotten how Mondays should feel after a good win
Fuck the takeover no one on here can influence it one iota
Every protest until now has made sense, but the protest on Monday for me doesn't achieve anything except disrupting the team, Roland is going whether its today or June doesn't make much difference
We had a huge lift in morale and hope on Saturday delivered by what looks to be a committed and thinking manager supported by true Charlton legend Jackson. Players who rose to the challenge in spades.
Bowyers thoughtful interview on Charlton Live clearly hinted that having the fans on your side is important to him and the players.
Are we really going to risk any slim chance of getting out of this shitty division with an ill considered protest with a takeover being delivered at some point in the not too distant future.
For now at least the important thing is to pull together and support the players.
Certainly plan for the unthinkable but not act right now is my view.
This is going to be a day of frustration, can anyone in CARD confirm if plans are still being made for next Monday
I hope no plans are being made after what we witnessed on Saturday the whole feel of the supporters and players being united behind Bowyer and Jacko
Fuck RD fuck the sale of the club based on deadlines set by fans with regards to its completion date no one knows the date it will happen and let’s be honest even if it will happen
Right now protests And negativity around the ground will not help regardless of how many times I read we don’t lose on protest days it will detract the attention of the players and be mentioned by people all the way up to kick off
just carry on now into the next 3-4 games to give us a proper chance to get in the playoffs all focus should be based on the team the mgmt and the playing staff not the ownership or ridiculous deal done by X date
We talk about moving forward and moving on we need to get over ourselves and really just work on bringing the Charlton feeling back to the stands , I felt it on Saturday it was there no protests no balls on the pitch no anti RD songs just a group of players and a mgmt team playing for us
If protests happen on Easter Monday then they are for the wrong reasons
This.
Although I was going to throw Cadbury’s cream eggs at the directors box.
Then we may as well give up then, you’ve pretty much accepted the status quo and Roland may as well stay if that’s the consensus
no, not the case. I believe that protests here now have very little impact and RD probably won't even get to hear about them. Protesting in his own back yard is the way forward and I'm more than happy to go to Belgium again in May/June if no sale has been achieved by then. The change of manager has given a promotion push a huge boost and it would be a shame if that was affected by protests, although in the past protests have actually led to wins on the pitch, but why take the chance? In no way does it mean we have accepted the current situation and neither does it mean that Roland may as well stay.
This is going to be a day of frustration, can anyone in CARD confirm if plans are still being made for next Monday
I hope no plans are being made after what we witnessed on Saturday the whole feel of the supporters and players being united behind Bowyer and Jacko
Fuck RD fuck the sale of the club based on deadlines set by fans with regards to its completion date no one knows the date it will happen and let’s be honest even if it will happen
Right now protests And negativity around the ground will not help regardless of how many times I read we don’t lose on protest days it will detract the attention of the players and be mentioned by people all the way up to kick off
just carry on now into the next 3-4 games to give us a proper chance to get in the playoffs all focus should be based on the team the mgmt and the playing staff not the ownership or ridiculous deal done by X date
We talk about moving forward and moving on we need to get over ourselves and really just work on bringing the Charlton feeling back to the stands , I felt it on Saturday it was there no protests no balls on the pitch no anti RD songs just a group of players and a mgmt team playing for us
If protests happen on Easter Monday then they are for the wrong reasons
This.
Although I was going to throw Cadbury’s cream eggs at the directors box.
Since they changed the ingredients the only place for them is the bin
Maybe old Roland putting out story of Aussies deal done to get others to close deal. Aussies been around for a year, suddenly Andrew Muir is involved? For how much? Who else is investing? Lots of bluff and double bluff going on here I would assume. WIOTOS
There is a substantial backstory to Andrew Muir’s involvement, which dates back to last summer. The durability of that - even if you think it’s not true - is evidenced by the cover of VOTV136 last August.
There hasn’t been any significant rumour about the identity of the “second” group other than Murray telling staff it was British. If you’re going to point to the public insubstantiality of the Aussie group, this is much more true of the other one.
If the second group is British, where do the Saudis fit into all of this? Are the British group, British based Saudis or backed by them?
The Saudis were a wild card which is what threw things off-balance in February. They were never part of the equation when Murray was talking in January about two groups and a February conclusion and their intervention is what caused the delay.
In the last week we've had the Daily Mirror, The Sun, the Evening Standard, the SLP all talking about the Australians, specifically around Kewell, which has never happened before. It's come, to my understanding, from Robinson, the Saudi end and Paul Elliott, any of which you may choose to regard as reliable or unreliable as suits. The Saudi stuff has multiple sources.
Thanks, this takeover saga has taken a number of surprising twists, strange for a third group to arrive at such a late stage. And for so little to be known about them - I don't recall seeing any specific names, or middle eastern people in the directors box for example.
It also makes it easier to understand why Murray thought the deal would be done by the end of February, it's sadly understandable that the prospect of a 3rd bidder (presumably willing to pay a higher price) would delay things.
This is going to be a day of frustration, can anyone in CARD confirm if plans are still being made for next Monday
I hope no plans are being made after what we witnessed on Saturday the whole feel of the supporters and players being united behind Bowyer and Jacko
Fuck RD fuck the sale of the club based on deadlines set by fans with regards to its completion date no one knows the date it will happen and let’s be honest even if it will happen
Right now protests And negativity around the ground will not help regardless of how many times I read we don’t lose on protest days it will detract the attention of the players and be mentioned by people all the way up to kick off
just carry on now into the next 3-4 games to give us a proper chance to get in the playoffs all focus should be based on the team the mgmt and the playing staff not the ownership or ridiculous deal done by X date
We talk about moving forward and moving on we need to get over ourselves and really just work on bringing the Charlton feeling back to the stands , I felt it on Saturday it was there no protests no balls on the pitch no anti RD songs just a group of players and a mgmt team playing for us
If protests happen on Easter Monday then they are for the wrong reasons
This.
Although I was going to throw Cadbury’s cream eggs at the directors box.
Knowing the luck of a Charlton fan it'll be a white one you throw and Richard Murray will claim his £1000 prize.....
This is going to be a day of frustration, can anyone in CARD confirm if plans are still being made for next Monday
I hope no plans are being made after what we witnessed on Saturday the whole feel of the supporters and players being united behind Bowyer and Jacko
Fuck RD fuck the sale of the club based on deadlines set by fans with regards to its completion date no one knows the date it will happen and let’s be honest even if it will happen
Right now protests And negativity around the ground will not help regardless of how many times I read we don’t lose on protest days it will detract the attention of the players and be mentioned by people all the way up to kick off
just carry on now into the next 3-4 games to give us a proper chance to get in the playoffs all focus should be based on the team the mgmt and the playing staff not the ownership or ridiculous deal done by X date
We talk about moving forward and moving on we need to get over ourselves and really just work on bringing the Charlton feeling back to the stands , I felt it on Saturday it was there no protests no balls on the pitch no anti RD songs just a group of players and a mgmt team playing for us
If protests happen on Easter Monday then they are for the wrong reasons
This.
Although I was going to throw Cadbury’s cream eggs at the directors box.
CARD will recognise that a protest, after the way the team played for Bowyer, would not be fully supported. They are sensible & Airman has already said as much.
I felt after the Blackpool game the protests should be started again and I think there still is some merit in doing this in Belgium and not on a matchday.
Agreed with others, protests at The Valley could do more harm than good with a few six pointers coming up there could be a new manager bounce for us to benefit from and protests at The Valley could detract away from this - plus we don't always win games when we protest.
Whilst I echo the sentiments of others above regarding protests, I would hope that some kind of symbolic gesture to show that we have not changed our stance could be made - press release in Belgian media/something in his hometown akin to the billboard - doesn't necessarily need to be in the ground where it could impact the team does it? (this is based on the assumption we hear no more regarding the takeover by then)
Whilst I echo the sentiments of others above regarding protests, I would hope that some kind of symbolic gesture to show that we have not changed our stance could be made - press release in Belgian media/something in his hometown akin to the billboard - doesn't necessarily need to be in the ground where it could impact the team does it? (this is based on the assumption we hear no more regarding the takeover by then)
Of course we won’t hear more by then,
Murray’s quotes were largely prompted by cards threat of protest. We’ve a slim chance of making the playoffs, despite a dead cat bounce.
We’re now adopting a wait and see approach, it’s exactly what they want don’t rock the boat on the off chance of a slither of hope of 6th place - keep us all quiet
Whilst I echo the sentiments of others above regarding protests, I would hope that some kind of symbolic gesture to show that we have not changed our stance could be made - press release in Belgian media/something in his hometown akin to the billboard - doesn't necessarily need to be in the ground where it could impact the team does it? (this is based on the assumption we hear no more regarding the takeover by then)
Of course we won’t hear more by then,
Murray’s quotes were largely prompted by cards threat of protest. We’ve a slim chance of making the playoffs, despite a dead cat bounce.
We’re now adopting a wait and see approach, it’s exactly what they want don’t rock the boat on the off chance of a slither of hope of 6th place - keep us all quiet
Even as a pessimist we have move than a slim chance, if we win our game in hand we are in the playoffs and the teams above us aren't in great form
There is no who all there is, is an old fucking idiot who is selling us because he doesn’t want to play any more
If we are talking about what who wants read the posts above The Who we should care about is the fans who want to just try and see if the positives shown on Saturday can be taken into the next 4-6 games
Whilst I echo the sentiments of others above regarding protests, I would hope that some kind of symbolic gesture to show that we have not changed our stance could be made - press release in Belgian media/something in his hometown akin to the billboard - doesn't necessarily need to be in the ground where it could impact the team does it? (this is based on the assumption we hear no more regarding the takeover by then)
Of course we won’t hear more by then,
Murray’s quotes were largely prompted by cards threat of protest. We’ve a slim chance of making the playoffs, despite a dead cat bounce.
We’re now adopting a wait and see approach, it’s exactly what they want don’t rock the boat on the off chance of a slither of hope of 6th place - keep us all quiet
Even as a pessimist we have move than a slim chance, if we win our game in hand we are in the playoffs and the teams above us aren't in great form
I've always thought we had a chance, even under Tarbuck.
Now there has been a change of manager that chance has grown considerably.
Still have to win 6 or 7 games to make the play-offs and that won't be easy but we have Konsa, Magennis and Mavididi back in the squad which is some bench.
Facts prove that protests DON'T negatively affect the team and neither does singing "we want Roland out" between backing the players and manager.
Playing devils advocate for a second.... does that mean if we lose the next 2/3 games protests then come back on the agenda...? I think it's important we don't lose sight of what the protests are trying to achieve - making Roland's life uncomfortable.
Surely if the players think we will only protest when they lose that puts MORE pressure on them?
Playing devils advocate for a second.... does that mean if we lose the next 2/3 games protests then come back on the agenda...? I think it's important we don't lose sight of what the protests are trying to achieve - making Roland's life uncomfortable.
Surely if the players think we will only protest when they lose that puts MORE pressure on them?
but I don't see how protests in the UK make his life uncomfortable at all. I doubt he now would even be aware they happened.
Am I the only one who has entered the surreal zone regarding the takeover, where simultaneously we have been taken over, we are in the process of being taken over, we might be taken over, we will never be taken over. All conditions hold true with almost equal sway all at the same time, yet nothing actually does exist and everything and all of you are figments of my imagination? Might just be me mind.
Chants of support the team not the regime would offer that wouldn't they?
All well and good chanting that, but last time I was at the ground and heard one of those chants it was interrupted by some people giving dogs abuse to our own player for misplacing a pass!
Playing devils advocate for a second.... does that mean if we lose the next 2/3 games protests then come back on the agenda...? I think it's important we don't lose sight of what the protests are trying to achieve - making Roland's life uncomfortable.
Surely if the players think we will only protest when they lose that puts MORE pressure on them?
but I don't see how protests in the UK make his life uncomfortable at all. I doubt he now would even be aware they happened.
Agreed. Protests in and around The Valley have been very useful in getting wider publicity for our plight from the UK press and TV. RD was only ever uncomfortable (and responded as such) when the protests were taken to Belgium.
Playing devils advocate for a second.... does that mean if we lose the next 2/3 games protests then come back on the agenda...? I think it's important we don't lose sight of what the protests are trying to achieve - making Roland's life uncomfortable.
Surely if the players think we will only protest when they lose that puts MORE pressure on them?
but I don't see how protests in the UK make his life uncomfortable at all. I doubt he now would even be aware they happened.
please see my previous comment - I am of the belief we should focus on Belgium. Also I did qualify my point by saying I was playing devils advocate - I don't know the right course of action at all - but I trust the good folks of CARD to be having these kind of discussions and will come to a conclusion that we can all get behind.
Am I the only one who has entered the surreal zone regarding the takeover, where simultaneously we have been taken over, we are in the process of being taken over, we might be taken over, we will never be taken over. All conditions hold true with almost equal sway all at the same time, yet nothing actually does exist and everything and all of you are figments of my imagination? Might just be me mind.
We are the Schrödinger's cat of the footballing world.
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what are you on about ?
When was the last time you woke up feeling like a real bit of Charlton returned to SE7 on match day In the last 4 yrs
Bowyer and Jacko are not in place because of RD there in there in spite of RD
The players played for their Mgr and the fans and their own pride , professionalism not for RD and the bullshit he has delivered
We all of us need to realise that we still have a footballing chance of going into the playoffs and then it’s anyones chance for promotion
Whilst that is an option and possibility go to the games with only happy positives and optimism surely that’s what got you going there in the first place
Have you forgotten how Mondays should feel after a good win
Fuck the takeover no one on here can influence it one iota
Bowyers thoughtful interview on Charlton Live clearly hinted that having the fans on your side is important to him and the players.
Are we really going to risk any slim chance of getting out of this shitty division with an ill considered protest with a takeover being delivered at some point in the not too distant future.
For now at least the important thing is to pull together and support the players.
Certainly plan for the unthinkable but not act right now is my view.
Although I was going to throw Cadbury’s cream eggs at the directors box.
It also makes it easier to understand why Murray thought the deal would be done by the end of February, it's sadly understandable that the prospect of a 3rd bidder (presumably willing to pay a higher price) would delay things.
Agreed with others, protests at The Valley could do more harm than good with a few six pointers coming up there could be a new manager bounce for us to benefit from and protests at The Valley could detract away from this - plus we don't always win games when we protest.
Murray’s quotes were largely prompted by cards threat of protest. We’ve a slim chance of making the playoffs, despite a dead cat bounce.
We’re now adopting a wait and see approach, it’s exactly what they want don’t rock the boat on the off chance of a slither of hope of 6th place - keep us all quiet
There is no who all there is, is an old fucking idiot who is selling us because he doesn’t want to play any more
If we are talking about what who wants read the posts above The Who we should care about is the fans who want to just try and see if the positives shown on Saturday can be taken into the next 4-6 games
Now there has been a change of manager that chance has grown considerably.
Still have to win 6 or 7 games to make the play-offs and that won't be easy but we have Konsa, Magennis and Mavididi back in the squad which is some bench.
Facts prove that protests DON'T negatively affect the team and neither does singing "we want Roland out" between backing the players and manager.
Zero point protesting at the Valley - there’s no one there we want to protest against!
Surely if the players think we will only protest when they lose that puts MORE pressure on them?
All conditions hold true with almost equal sway all at the same time, yet nothing actually does exist and everything and all of you are figments of my imagination?
Might just be me mind.
The ONLY place it really matters and the old scroat pays any attention to it is in Belgium.