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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051
    Alwaysneil said:

    I have no idea and this really surprised me. Maybe it’s because there are still two people in the running until everything is absolutely final and money has been paid for the frontrunner.

    Interesting that Duchâtelet thinks Murray is a ‘super guy’.

    Duchatelet's judgement on people is what exactly? I offer Meire, Driessen and Fraeye just for starters.
  • 56yearsofdreams
    56yearsofdreams Posts: 439
    Well said Davo55
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,848
    edited May 2018
    AddicksAddict said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Covered End said:

    Battersea.

    ‘BBC Addicks’ anyone?

    ‘Battersea, Balham and Clapham Addicks’ of course.
    I think we could get a good guest for our launch ;-)
    So that's actually "South Chelsea, South Cla'ham and Cla'ham Addicks".
    No need to change the name of Balham - Gateway to the South!

    We enter Balham through the verdant grasslands of Battersea Park, and at once we are aware that here is a land of happy, contented people who go about their daily tasks in truly democratic spirit.

    This is busy High Street, focal point of the town's activities. Note the quaint old stores, whose frontage is covered with hand-painted inscriptions, every one a rare example of native Balham art.

    and so on .....

    (you need to be of a certain age to get this!)
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    AddicksAddict said:

    The Red Robin said:

    golfaddick said:

    The Red Robin said:

    cafc-west said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    JamesSeed said:

    KiwiValley said:

    Great news James and a great relief . I , we, were all very anxious about how you were going to manage the cleanup. A dishwasher is a fantastic labour saving device and it’s a credit to you that you've had the foresight to have had one installed. Speaks volumes about the likely success of future dinner parties. I for one am ending my boycott - I’m free next saturday night .

    I have friends who have two dishwashers. Highly recommended apparently.

    8pm, Aussie consortium willing.
    I'm having dramas with a customer at the moment because I cannot fit a washing machine and normal sized dishwasher on any side of their kitchen, so they've decided to keep the washing machine and have 2 slimline dishwashers on 2 sides of the kitchen. It's only a holiday home ffs.

    Is owning 2 dishwashers the lates status symbol?
    I've read that people have 2 so that they don't unload the d/w - they remove clean stuff as needed - use it and put in the other d/w then when full it goes on and they repeat the cycle. Saves cupboard space and time. I don't even have 1...
    Pure laziness then basically.
    which is the definition of a dishwasher, isn't it ?
    Don't have one
    Sorry to hear your wife's left you.
    When it comes to dishwashing in our house, that would make zero difference.
  • I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY Posts: 4,608
    AddicksAddict said:

    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

    Don’t shoot messenger but the “British” consortium is Mike Ashley supposedly. Just hasn’t sold the Geordies yet.

    You're so close to getting a flag.
    As said don’t shoot the messenger.
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,888
    JamesSeed said:



    When I mentioned that the transfer window was open, they said they knew, but that they're in this for the long haul. They've of course been trying to get this across the line as early as possible. Bear in mind that they also weren't put off when we failed to gain promotion, for the same reason.

    Their comments about the transfer window and missing out on promotion are of course perfectly reasonable statements to make publicly in a negotiation situation. However, privately I hope they are very disappointed about both and tbe financial effect of another season in L1, and if team rebuilding is not successful this summer, probably more than one season with the inevitable negative knock-on effects.
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,888
    JessieAddick said:

    Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:



    When I mentioned that the transfer window was open, they said they knew, but that they're in this for the long haul. They've of course been trying to get this across the line as early as possible. Bear in mind that they also weren't put off when we failed to gain promotion, for the same reason.

    Their comments about the transfer window and missing out on promotion are of course perfectly reasonable statements to make publicly in a negotiation situation. However, privately I hope they are very disappointed about both and tbe financial effect of another season in L1, and if team rebuilding is not successful this summer, probably more than one season with the inevitable negative knock-on effects.
    I suppose if we had got promoted this past season RD would have wanted a higher price for the sale. That's probably why the potential new owners aren't that disappointed.
    That would depend on how the price increase compared to the costs of a season (or more) in L1 plus the cost of building a L1 promotion team. I think I would take a definite over a maybe.
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,740
    Stig said:

    Fanny Fanackapan said:

    WOW !

    What a day !

    A beautiful wedding to savour AND exciting news of a beautiful divorce just around the corner !

    This "member's" tingle is moving onwards & upwards !

    I'm recommending a special tea towel award for Lord Seed at next season's POTY dinner....

    Divorce Tea Towel
    Brilliant, Stig !

    I'd certainly buy a few of those !
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    nth london addick said:

    Goonerhater said:

    Glicksteen,Fry,Barrow Boys,RD-------our history is full of top notch "owners"----whom ever comes next ,bring it on ----seen it,herd it ,lived it.

    And the needle returns to the start of the song mate
    The Aussies will be good, if for nothing else, for not being Roland. Having an owner who does not think winning is important is the lowest of the low. There is no worse owner in the world.

    No need for DD, no need for caution, and it is not our call anyway. It is what it is and we will need to all pull together and make it work.

    I, like so many, have had enough of negativity and I will be only looking for the positives. I will be taking everything at face value and believe everything they say until proved wrong. If Richard Murray is given a role I will support that. Bring it on. I can’t wait.
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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Redrobo said:

    nth london addick said:

    Goonerhater said:

    Glicksteen,Fry,Barrow Boys,RD-------our history is full of top notch "owners"----whom ever comes next ,bring it on ----seen it,herd it ,lived it.

    And the needle returns to the start of the song mate
    The Aussies will be good, if for nothing else, for not being Roland. Having an owner who does not think winning is important is the lowest of the low. There is no worse owner in the world.

    No need for DD, no need for caution, and it is not our call anyway. It is what it is and we will need to all pull together and make it work.

    I, like so many, have had enough of negativity and I will be only looking for the positives. I will be taking everything at face value and believe everything they say until proved wrong. If Richard Murray is given a role I will support that. Bring it on. I can’t wait.
    That's like a double whoosh isn't it?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    The_President said:

    Well, i know i speak for a heck of a lot of people, but the season ticket money i have is burning a hole in my pocket - and i would happily, with a huge smile, give it to the Aussies or for that matter anyone who wants to take us out of this Belgian hell.

    This.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    JamesSeed said:

    Redrobo said:

    nth london addick said:

    Goonerhater said:

    Glicksteen,Fry,Barrow Boys,RD-------our history is full of top notch "owners"----whom ever comes next ,bring it on ----seen it,herd it ,lived it.

    And the needle returns to the start of the song mate
    The Aussies will be good, if for nothing else, for not being Roland. Having an owner who does not think winning is important is the lowest of the low. There is no worse owner in the world.

    No need for DD, no need for caution, and it is not our call anyway. It is what it is and we will need to all pull together and make it work.

    I, like so many, have had enough of negativity and I will be only looking for the positives. I will be taking everything at face value and believe everything they say until proved wrong. If Richard Murray is given a role I will support that. Bring it on. I can’t wait.
    That's like a double whoosh isn't it?
    You will have to explain to me why. Was North London joking?
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Redrobo said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Redrobo said:

    nth london addick said:

    Goonerhater said:

    Glicksteen,Fry,Barrow Boys,RD-------our history is full of top notch "owners"----whom ever comes next ,bring it on ----seen it,herd it ,lived it.

    And the needle returns to the start of the song mate
    The Aussies will be good, if for nothing else, for not being Roland. Having an owner who does not think winning is important is the lowest of the low. There is no worse owner in the world.

    No need for DD, no need for caution, and it is not our call anyway. It is what it is and we will need to all pull together and make it work.

    I, like so many, have had enough of negativity and I will be only looking for the positives. I will be taking everything at face value and believe everything they say until proved wrong. If Richard Murray is given a role I will support that. Bring it on. I can’t wait.
    That's like a double whoosh isn't it?
    You will have to explain to me why. Was North London joking?
    I wasn't sure if I'm honest. The RM bit might be a clue. Or might not. Hopefully he'll let us know.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    I wasn’t joking I honestly feel there is caution needed as it all sounds like a experiment we will see should they finally sign off

    As for RM being involved I would genuinely hope not I am sick to death of him hanging around he needs to no longer be there
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    edited May 2018
    For me Bowyer plus Curbs as director of football would be marvellous.
    Would also like to think there would be a place for Varney and or Steve Sutherland with Suzi Sausage back at the secretarial helm as well....if she was interested that is.
    All a bit fanciful I know.....but one can only dream.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    nth london addick said:

    I wasn’t joking I honestly feel there is caution needed as it all sounds like a experiment we will see should they finally sign off

    As for RM being involved I would genuinely hope not I am sick to death of him hanging around he needs to no longer be there

    I did not think you were, but couldn’t understand the double whoosh.

    I don’t think anyone could fail to understand why any of us would be suspicious and cautious after our recent experiences, and I think we are all hoping that the new owners can dispel these quickly so we don’t waste time and effort questioning everything as this would stop the club moving forward as quickly as it might.

    As for RM, I have nothing against him personally and an awful lot to be grateful for. That said, if his presence causes negativity for some it would probably be best if he bows out gracefully.
  • Taxi_Lad
    Taxi_Lad Posts: 3,770
    SoundAsa£ said:

    For me Bowyer plus Curbs as director of football would be marvellous.
    Would also like to think there would be a place for Varney and or Steve Sutherland with Susie Sausage back at the secretarial helm as well....if she was interested that is.

    would Bowyer want someone (even curbs) overseeing him? to my mind he's very much his own man and not sure how this would fit.
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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    edited May 2018
    Do we know for certain if Murray is staying or going?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited May 2018
    JamesSeed said:


    1. They’re hoping, subject to approval from a couple of investors and the EFL, that the sale will happen next week. I think they might being a little optimistic with their estimate of the how long the EFL can take processing these fit and proper person tests, so an extra week or two might be on the cards? (Just guessing). But they're patient people.
    They believe it will happen, but that's all they would say on the matter.
    They say they're in this for the long haul, and it's already been a two year project, which so far has cost them a million Pounds. They mentioned a five year plan to get the club into the Premier League, which is their stated aim. The five year plan might include the previous two years ago, I'm not sure. They are interested in success. They have ambition. It's the Australian mentality when it comes to sport.

    2. He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key. They appreciate that fans are the heart of the club, and pointed out how 'different' the ownership system is in England, compared to the fan ownership system in Australia. They seem very aware of the differences between the fans of Charlton, and the fans of some of our London 'rivals', and see that as a big positive. They respect the passion.

    3. They see they Australian system of 'Membership' as something they want to promote at Charlton. In Australia clubs have 'memberships' into the high tens of thousands - Essendon have just topped the 70,000 mark, for example. (Click here to read more.) How that might translate to how Charlton is run and owned remains to be seen, but I believe they see season ticket holders as the current 'members'. My contact was very pleased to hear that many people are waiting until new owners are in place to renew their season tickets. I was surprised they didn't know that already!

    4. The reason for all the delays hasn't actually been to do with Roland Duchâtelet dragging his feet. Due diligence has been massively complicated by the fact that RD didn't actually complete proper due diligence himself when he bought the club, because of the circumstances of the sale. The complications they have encountered have apparently been a legacy of the previous Tony Jimenez and Michael Slater regime. I can't comment on their feelings about Roland Duchâtelet. Apparently RD mentioned how powerful the fans are at Charlton, something he hadn't experienced before. I think they see this as a positive.

    5. They are buying the club, lock, stock and barrel. Roland wants to sell, and isn’t looking to hang on to any assets, Sparrows Lane for example - and isn’t looking for and sell-on deals vis a vis player sales. My source hasn't met with Duchâtelet, but has been dealing with his representatives. It's has been a very complicated process, but there has been no dragging of feet.

    6. It was never the intention to make Charlton a kind of nursery club for Australian footballers. If any Australian footballers sign for Charlton it will only be because they are capable of playing at the appropriate level or higher.
    They’re more interested in getting Australians at home, and the Australian community in London, to support the team. They will be very vigorously promoting the club to the Australian community. I can only speculate that if there were any truly top class Australian footballers playing for Charlton, that would only help with that process.

    7. They are looking to appoint a manager ASAP. My source spoke to Lee Bowyer yesterday, and he is being considered for the job. They have approached Chris Powell's people in an attempt to see if he is available as well. Other managers may also be considered, but only experienced ones. Mr Kewell isn't on the list apparently. They are aware that the transfer window is open.

    8. They weren't too worried that we failed to win promotion. Again, because they see this as a long term project, not an immediate bid for glory.

    9. They're genuinely looking forward to establishing contact with groups and trusts connected with Charlton, including CAST and the Community Trust if and when the sale has been completed.

    There was probably more, and if I remember any of it I'll post here.

    If anything comes up at our next meeting I'll also post it here.

    Would like to take him to visit the Museum. I don't suppose anyone on here might be available to help with that ;-)

    So I'm a few hours late to this but it all sounds fantastic, and I say this as someone who will be skeptically optimistic toward any incoming owners.

    The best part for me is the idea of Membership. I truly belive that the only way to prevent people like Roland is to have fan representation on the board and/or other decision making entities, akin to Germany, what Swansea have, etc. This is not just down to my Socialist leanings, but also because fans can see things Directors can't, and vice versa. And putting my Capitalist hat on, who better to market/proselytize to supporters than other supporters?

    While that may not happen with this group, it sounds like something they would at least consider and hopefully The Trust will be able to have some conversations with them on the matter.

    Just remember I liked you before it was cool @JamesSeed ;) (and thanks so much for the hard work on this).
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited May 2018
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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    JamesSeed said:

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    Good spot
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,848
    edited May 2018
    Chizz said:

    Taxi_Lad said:

    SoundAsa£ said:

    For me Bowyer plus Curbs as director of football would be marvellous.
    Would also like to think there would be a place for Varney and or Steve Sutherland with Susie Sausage back at the secretarial helm as well....if she was interested that is.

    would Bowyer want someone (even curbs) overseeing him? to my mind he's very much his own man and not sure how this would fit.
    Lee Bowyer has never signed or sold a player, never negotiated a signing, never dealt with players' agents' demands over salary and bonuses, never dealt with ambitious youth team players demanding a first team guarantee, never had to rebuff other teams making offers for players, never dealt with players demanding an immediate sale. He's never planned a pre-season schedule, hired an assistant, sacked a coach or managed the first team in a friendly or chosen a team for cup match. That's not to say he couldn't do all these things in time, it's just to demonstrate he has no relevant experience in any of them.

    Like every other Duchatalet appointment, he failed to get promoted. But, unlike most of them, he bettered his predecessor's record and improved the team's record (although not sufficiently). He could make a good manager. And if he were appointed, it would be welcomed by a lot of people. But if he were to claim he could do everything required as part of a five-year plan to reach the Premier League, single handed, I don't think that would be seen as credible.
    Of course he is inexperienced and would need support - but most of the list in your first paragraph is the domain of the CEO. That’s where we need a strong candidate. I know of one who would fit the bill!

  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited May 2018
    blackpool72 said:

    JamesSeed said:

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    Good spot
    I failed in attempt to make some of the text in a previous quote go bold. I know how to do it, but despite using the correct symbols it didn't work.

    I'm better with dishwashers, basically.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    Taxi_Lad said:

    SoundAsa£ said:

    For me Bowyer plus Curbs as director of football would be marvellous.
    Would also like to think there would be a place for Varney and or Steve Sutherland with Susie Sausage back at the secretarial helm as well....if she was interested that is.

    would Bowyer want someone (even curbs) overseeing him? to my mind he's very much his own man and not sure how this would fit.
    I think he’d welcome the idea.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,794
    Isn't Bowyer ineligible for permanent manager, not having the required badges?
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,274
    AddicksAddict said:

    Isn't Bowyer ineligible for permanent manager, not having the required badges?

    Only for teams in the top 2 leagues
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