My problem with Corbyn is this: The manifesto is not hard left at all in a European context. But that is where he comes from. Him. Abbott and McDonnell. I've seen the hard left close -up, thank you very much and I detest them as much as I detest the hard right Tories. The hard left disguises its true intentions until it gains power. The hard left took control of the Labour party in the mid 80s and Liverpool is the place where you saw the result in practice. It took Neil Kinnock to root them out and John Smith to finish the job. "Hard" anything leads to authoritarianism, corruption and intimidation. It ought to have no place in British politics.
Of course there are many young people (on CL too) who have no idea what I am on about. But Corbyn is older than me. I remember him from those days. I don't believe for one minute he or McDonnell have changed. Abbott has the further disadvantage of being thick. That "change of hairstyle" comment was just crass.
Yet unfortunately, he will count my vote for Clive Efford as a vote for him. And if he keeps her majority down, we will be stuck with him and the entire Momentum crew (for which read Soshulist Workah) as the main opposition for five years. What a grim scenario.
I used to run with the Revolutionary Communist Group (about 35 years ago) so trust me when I say that Cobyn is not hard left. He is soft left it is just that our politics have moved so far to the right he appears hard left merely on the virtue of standing still.
Incidentally I am now quite sure that I was the only member of the RCG who was not an undercover officer. I am not sure membership ever got over 15 mind.
My problem with Corbyn is this: The manifesto is not hard left at all in a European context. But that is where he comes from. Him. Abbott and McDonnell. I've seen the hard left close -up, thank you very much and I detest them as much as I detest the hard right Tories. The hard left disguises its true intentions until it gains power. The hard left took control of the Labour party in the mid 80s and Liverpool is the place where you saw the result in practice. It took Neil Kinnock to root them out and John Smith to finish the job. "Hard" anything leads to authoritarianism, corruption and intimidation. It ought to have no place in British politics.
Of course there are many young people (on CL too) who have no idea what I am on about. But Corbyn is older than me. I remember him from those days. I don't believe for one minute he or McDonnell have changed. Abbott has the further disadvantage of being thick. That "change of hairstyle" comment was just crass.
Yet unfortunately, he will count my vote for Clive Efford as a vote for him. And if he keeps her majority down, we will be stuck with him and the entire Momentum crew (for which read Soshulist Workah) as the main opposition for five years. What a grim scenario.
I used to run with the Revolutionary Communist Group (about 35 years ago) so trust me when I say that Cobyn is not hard left. He is soft left it is just that our politics have moved so far to the right he appears hard left merely on the virtue of standing still.
Incidentally I am now quite sure that I was the only member of the RCG who was not an undercover officer. I am not sure membership ever got over 15 mind.
The fella that called himself "salt of the earth" then claimed he was upset at the abolition of zero hours contracts and having to pay tax on his kids "school fees"!
which makes it impossible for him to vote Labour! He got a good reaction for his comment.
In what way is he a hypocrite and May not? And in what way does her bench have quality?
On record that Corbyn has bullied his backbenchers into voting the way he instructs when his record as a backbencher voting against the whip is totally unbelievable. Screams hypocrisy to me.
His Home Secretary should he win will be Diane Abbott and chancellor John McDonnell. Both of whom are poor choices in my opinion. As for conservative front bench they are not any better.
With you all the way on Abbott but McDonnell seems at least OK.
McDonnell might look like someone's favourite uncle but he is an outright Trot. What's worse is that he now won't admit or let on exactly just how extreme his views are.
I am a bit pissed so will no doubt regret this later but I like Lev Bronstein. Who else has been in a Stranglers song, got killed with an ice pick and had an affair with Frida Kahlo. We need mor of that kind of colour in British politics.
The fella that called himself "salt of the earth" then claimed he was upset at the abolition of zero hours contracts and having to pay tax on his kids "school fees"!
He was shaking his head when Corbyn started to express sympathy for small businesses. He had to stop shaking his head when Corbyn reminded him how big corporations bully SMEs with ridiculous payment terms.
This is a ridiculous format, but I must say that Corbyn looks and sounds assured so far. Paxman looks and sounds a bit of a busted flush to me.
The fella that called himself "salt of the earth" then claimed he was upset at the abolition of zero hours contracts and having to pay tax on his kids "school fees"!
"Why are you making it difficult for me to pay my workers peanuts so I can pay private school fees?"
A lot of hate from Prague without his normal substance. Does uttering 'hard left' give us an insight into some peverted lifestyle that nobody would wish to countenance?
A lot of hate from Prague without his normal substance. Does uttering 'hard left' give us an insight into some peverted lifestyle that nobody would wish to countenance?
I think you are old enough to answer the following question:
Neil Kinnock and Derek Hatton at that Labour Conference in (I think) 86.
I mean, I know I'm biased, but I haven't suffered secondhand embarrassment that badly since I last watched an episode of The Office. I think I may have pulled something with all the cringeing I was doing.
The fella that called himself "salt of the earth" then claimed he was upset at the abolition of zero hours contracts and having to pay tax on his kids "school fees"!
"Why are you making it difficult for me to pay my workers peanuts so I can pay private school fees?"
That bloke has the Tory mindset, and I fear that he is in the majority and he and his fellow travellers will win this election. It seems such a shame to me.
In terms of people being in the top global percent, reality is living, housing (in London/southeast), transport, tax, are also much much higher - don't believe that is taken into account properly if at all for that measure. On the other hand it's still a lot.
As others have also said have to agree that those earning 100k plus are totallly different League to those earning 250k+++
Yvette cooper (agree) may be ready for next Labour leader as the only stand out character, get the impression there would need to very divisive possibly terminal bun fight first though.
Jez surprised me a lot, very assured and reasonable, I've changed my mind and probably will vote Labour after all.
It's thoughts like this that make me happy, and give me hope
I just want enough to bloody the Tory's nose. Just enough to make May regret calling this bloody election and to put some pressure on her internally. I couldn't give a shit about Brexit because none of them are gonna get a deal. It will be an exit on WTO terms
She may flannel on about this election giving her a mandate on our behalf but it's complete bollocks. It's her arrogance and the power hungry desire to have her and her party's ego stroked that have got us here. They genuinely believed this Brexit vote was going to open up the disaffected working class, non London voter. They saw white van men all over the country flocking to the ballots to vote for them. I hope they've underestimated the strength of contempt to them. To coin a controversial phrase from Sadie's mate's post on FB. Fuck them
Pity not more of the electorate will have bothered to watch that. Mays totally inept performance and the surprisingly assured performance of JC won't get reported in the tabloids.
Seriously worried now that Teresa May could not negotiate a shag in a brothel.
I just want enough to bloody the Tory's nose. Just enough to make May regret calling this bloody election and to put some pressure on her internally. I couldn't give a shit about Brexit because none of them are gonna get a deal. It will be an exit on WTO terms
She may flannel on about this election giving her a mandate on our behalf but it's complete bollocks. It's her arrogance and the power hungry desire to have her and her party's ego stroked that have got us here. They genuinely believed this Brexit vote was going to open up the disaffected working class, non London voter. They saw white van men all over the country flocking to the ballots to vote for them. I hope they've underestimated the strength of contempt to them. To coin a controversial phrase from Sadie's mate's post on FB. Fuck them
As a working, non London voter, I can safely say Brexit absolutely fucks me, and my job completely. When we leave in 2 years time I'm genuinely fearful for my workplace because of the restrictions it will put in place on the music retail industry. The arrogance and ignorance of the Conservative party is just a joke, and almost an insult to anyone who believes in a better future. I've read reasons why people don't want to vote for labour, but I still haven't heard a single reason why anyone wants to vote for the Conservatives.
One thing's for sure, she's no leader. She can't even hold a live debate
I just want enough to bloody the Tory's nose. Just enough to make May regret calling this bloody election and to put some pressure on her internally. I couldn't give a shit about Brexit because none of them are gonna get a deal. It will be an exit on WTO terms
She may flannel on about this election giving her a mandate on our behalf but it's complete bollocks. It's her arrogance and the power hungry desire to have her and her party's ego stroked that have got us here. They genuinely believed this Brexit vote was going to open up the disaffected working class, non London voter. They saw white van men all over the country flocking to the ballots to vote for them. I hope they've underestimated the strength of contempt to them. To coin a controversial phrase from Sadie's mate's post on FB. Fuck them
As a working, non London voter, I can safely say Brexit absolutely fucks me, and my job completely. When we leave in 2 years time I'm genuinely fearful for my workplace because of the restrictions it will put in place on the music retail industry. The arrogance and ignorance of the Conservative party is just a joke, and almost an insult to anyone who believes in a better future. I've read reasons why people don't want to vote for labour, but I still haven't heard a single reason why anyone wants to vote for the Conservatives.
One thing's for sure, she's no leader. She can't even hold a live debate
Sorry Sheepie - didn't mean for that to comes across as I'm dismissing Brexit, I'm aware it could mean bad things for people like yourself. It was more f*** Brexit for being the reason for calling an election etc. Can see how they may have come across as too cavalier
Sorry Sheepie - didn't mean for that to comes across as I'm dismissing Brexit, I'm aware it could mean bad things for people like yourself. It was more f*** Brexit for being the reason for calling an election etc. Can see how they may have come across as too cavalier
It's all good I'm the same as you, bored of it being used as an excuse. She's an unelected PM who doesn't have a mandate, that's the reason why we've got the General Election
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Incidentally I am now quite sure that I was the only member of the RCG who was not an undercover officer. I am not sure membership ever got over 15 mind.
This is a ridiculous format, but I must say that Corbyn looks and sounds assured so far. Paxman looks and sounds a bit of a busted flush to me.
Neil Kinnock and Derek Hatton at that Labour Conference in (I think) 86.
Whose side were you on?
Whose side was Corbyn on?
It seems such a shame to me.
As others have also said have to agree that those earning 100k plus are totallly different League to those earning 250k+++
Yvette cooper (agree) may be ready for next Labour leader as the only stand out character, get the impression there would need to very divisive possibly terminal bun fight first though.
She may flannel on about this election giving her a mandate on our behalf but it's complete bollocks. It's her arrogance and the power hungry desire to have her and her party's ego stroked that have got us here. They genuinely believed this Brexit vote was going to open up the disaffected working class, non London voter. They saw white van men all over the country flocking to the ballots to vote for them. I hope they've underestimated the strength of contempt to them. To coin a controversial phrase from Sadie's mate's post on FB. Fuck them
Seriously worried now that Teresa May could not negotiate a shag in a brothel.
One thing's for sure, she's no leader. She can't even hold a live debate
It's all good