I wonder if in fact the UKIP vote is not going to both Lab and Tories but is in fact all going to the Tories and that Lab is actually gaining Remain voters from the Tories.
I wonder if in fact the UKIP vote is not going to both Lab and Tories but is in fact all going to the Tories and that Lab is actually gaining Remain voters from the Tories.
That's possible and I'm sure the reality is somewhere in the middle.
I still maintain that last time round UKIP took votes off traditional Labour voters. Those of working class background who were disillusioned with life and with politics and didn't see anything changing under Milliband and so went to UKIP. Whether as a protest vote or as a hope for someone to represent the working classes.
Result! Hung parliament? "Ministers do not expect to out perform exit poll" sounds like code for May = toast! Delays to process? Pound down but now rising on Asian markets. Time to think (Obviously not popular with those who don't want to think!) We are in the midst of a democratic process.. can't even begin to describe the next phase - will leave it to the professionals
Certainly looking interesting and not what I expected. Started watching the BBC coverage but started flicking over and have got to say been very impressed with Sky who have been showing a lot of declarations and seem to be covering things much better than the terrestial channels so far.
No one on the BBC seems to have twigged that Labour could win this.....
Well they have them on 261 seats at 2:20am so that would have to be the worst forecast 4 hours in ever.
They are miles away - not saying they couldn't get a minority cobbled together but they aren't gonna be bigger than the Tories.
BBC forecast is stating that the progressive alliance will be well behind the Tories in seats.
That leaves two choices:
1) we have a minority coalition 2) we have a borderline majority Tory gov with DUP helping them sneak in
Would the Tories think fuck it... Get May out.... And prepare for 12 months time?
Would Corbyn want to fuck it up with a minority run of chaos when he could give it 12 months and go for a majority? He couldn't get his policies past an opposition that's bigger.
He could wait 12 months and then go all in as a majority
In the pub, my niece said that this time round, the youth vote is real. " it's become cool to vote" she said. At 21.55....
I'm hoping this puts an end to the suggestion of a take over by the hard left, maybe they have finally given a mandate that the whole Labour party can accept and build upon together. If the have energised the youth vote, they have defied the establishment again. Early days yet saying that.
Those young people didn't ever have to travel on a nationalised railway run by British Rail or suffer when the country was in the grip of the Trade Unions with constant strikes. Labour Governments have always overspent and left the economy in a worse state than they found it.
Fuck me you sound like the Daily Mail. Stuck in the 1970s.
Privatising the railways has really been a great success....
I remember the mess the country was in under Labour in the 70s. Young people voting today have no idea what that was like.
Change the record - the world has changed since the 1970s. You'll be going on about Winston Churchill next.
Should I start reminding you of all the disasters the Tories have presided over?
Tbh we're probably f***ed whoever is in charge. Our economy is knackered!
Jeremy Corbyn's policy of tax and spend would take us back to the 70s.
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MASSIVE Labour gain.
I still maintain that last time round UKIP took votes off traditional Labour voters. Those of working class background who were disillusioned with life and with politics and didn't see anything changing under Milliband and so went to UKIP. Whether as a protest vote or as a hope for someone to represent the working classes.
322 Tories
261 Labour
32 SNP
13 Lib Dems
Tories in with DUP etc
Hung parliament? "Ministers do not expect to out perform exit poll" sounds like code for May = toast!
Delays to process?
Pound down but now rising on Asian markets.
Time to think
(Obviously not popular with those who don't want to think!)
We are in the midst of a democratic process.. can't even begin to describe the next phase - will leave it to the professionals
They are miles away - not saying they couldn't get a minority cobbled together but they aren't gonna be bigger than the Tories.
BBC forecast is stating that the progressive alliance will be well behind the Tories in seats.
That leaves two choices:
1) we have a minority coalition
2) we have a borderline majority Tory gov with DUP helping them sneak in
Would the Tories think fuck it... Get May out.... And prepare for 12 months time?
Would Corbyn want to fuck it up with a minority run of chaos when he could give it 12 months and go for a majority? He couldn't get his policies past an opposition that's bigger.
He could wait 12 months and then go all in as a majority
Ruth Davidson for next leader?