He is disgusting and a shameful excuse of a man who has managed to become a celbrity because a) he doesn't mind taking the pee out of himself, and b) he is a caricature of a bumbling toff that on one level is funny. Of course, it isn't funny how he made an opportunistic decision to put his future above the country's and it isn't funny what he allowed to be said about he Hillsborough families. He is a disgusting digrace of a human being, as dodgy as the day is long, and whilst he has got away with it, more and more people are figuring it out.
Are you saying Her Majesty's (God bless you ma'am) Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary is a complete and utter c**t with no redeeming qualities that the people of London should be ashamed of having voted in as erstwhile Mayor?
If I'm not very much mistaken, Seth, I believe that's exactly what Mutts is saying.
I hasten to add, a description with which I would wholeheartedly concur.
"Anyway, I'm going to ask two questions. First some background. Jeremy Corbyn is the next Prime Minister. Labour will be funding extra spending on worthy causes by increasing corporation tax. You are the CEO of a large UK-based multi-national company. You are well aware that the Companies Act places upon you a legal requirement contained in S172 to " act in the way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole." (members = shareholders) And while there are other responsibilities that is the primary one.
The first question is do you diminish the profitability of the company by sticking with the UK or do you move your headquarters (and therefore your corporation tax liability) to somewhere more benign, like Ireland or maybe the USA once Trump has reduced corporation tax rates? The second question is what do you think other CEOs will be doing?
Am I right in thinking there are already countries with more benign tax regimes than the UK? If so, if the large UK-based multi-national company have not already departed for those benign shores, is the CEO not already failing to "...promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole,"?
I would say not, because he/she realises that there is more to a successful company than the bottom line. The necessary skill set is in the UK, the people who work there are happy to be in the UK, the board members and indeed the CEO him/herself is happy in the UK. They are doing very well, the shareholders are doing very well. A good number of them would be prepared to take a little hit on the tax side, if they saw improvement in society. Some may recognise that better education for the young as a whole, and not just those able to afford to go private might benefit the company in the future - their next electronics whiz kid may be living on a rough estate in Barking, rather than a country estate in Berkshire.
Human nature is involved, the CEO might be someone to whom money is the be all and end all, but his wife and grandchildren like living in Epping, and that's where they are staying. They don't want to move to Ireland or the USA.
Many of the other CEOs will be the same. Many millionaires still choose to live and pay tax in the UK rather than "do a Rothermere". I don't see why that would change.
And if Widget International moves to Monaco, there's no reason to believe that Widget Inc wont slip in to take it's place, using the skilled staff who didn't want to move...
Tory Government Deficit - Very High. Borrowing - From Rich individuals and organisations Up (over double since the last Labour government). Selling of Prized Assets - Royal Mail, NHS privatisation etc. Main Policy - Austerity. Main Players - Theresa May - Wants to hide. No TV debates. Allegedly no public invited to her speaches and visits. Boris Johnson - bumbling buffoon, who was happy to quote 350 million pound for the NHS if we vote Brexit. Complete LIE. Dr Liam Fox - Telling business people they should get of the Golf course on Friday afternoon and do some work !! Tagline - Strong Government & Stable Economy.
Charlton Regime Deficit - As per the account 13million Loss?. Borrowing - Loans to Roland Up year on year. Selling of Prized Assets - Kermogant, Morrison, Lookman etc Main Policy - Operate within a ridiculously small budget. Main Players - Roland - Hides in Belgium, has not been to a Charlton game in 3 years !! Robinson - Bumbles through all interviews. Told club is it not for sale. Next day leaks of Club being sold. Miere - Unqualified to be CEO. Telling fans they are customers. Being bandied around - Better the devil you know.
Would you Vote for the Charlton Regime ? I say vote for ANYONE but the Tories !!
When are the leaders of the Tory and Labour Party going to stop lying to the British people and admit that Brexit of any kind means leaving the single market?
"I so often see the difference between the haves and have nots when discussing politics and I just wish that I could make people understand that you are a have, until you are a have not. We pretty much ALL have the ability to lose everything, health, wealth, job, position, home. Nothing is guaranteed. So please don't vote just based on your current situation, think about a society that would look after you at your most vulnerable, when you're at your sickest, poorest, on your knees, when no other avenues are open, wouldn't you want society/govt to help you. You know the one you've paid for all your life, the NHS you've paid for all your life, social security, pension all that. Just think, that's all I ask, you may not always be in the cushy position you are in right now. I vote to help the many not the few."
I think this is all pretty basic stuff is it not? It explains the way many people choose to vote.
I had two clear choices back in my youth. Do the regular thing and have a family. Or not. My choice was the latter, primarily because I didn't then get on very well with the idea of owning cars with four doors.
As a consequence I am now relatively well off. I would not have been so if I'd have chosen differently. But why should I now subsidise others' life choices to a degree greater than I do already? It's different when individuals fall on hard times but I don't see, for example, why everybody with a kid should get child benefit. Over £11bn per year. Then there's child tax credits if you've got three or more of the little sods. Why are we rewarding people for bringing more into the world - it's not as if there's a shortage.
So, your friend seems very altruistic. I'm afraid I am not. Some seem to strive to be nothing other than a have-not and that's were they start and that's where they end, no matter how much of other people's money is thrown at them.
BTW there is one clear truism to those in poverty. They are more likely to have children. This is no surprise, since you can run a Bentley on what it takes to bring up a child. (Perhaps a statistic that should be made readily available to prospective parents). It will also not be a surprise to know that it is single parent families that make up the largest portion of the poor and a higher percentage of those are women rather than men.
But what may be more of a surprise, is that while single parent families made up more than 30% of the "persistently poor" in 2008, under the uncaring Conservatives, that figure has reduced by half to 15.1% as at the latest figures. It goes with another figure which shows that the number of those categorised as "persistently poor" generally has also been falling. 9.2% women and 7.7% men of the general population in 2008, has gone down to 7.2% and 5.7% respectively in th elatest figures. So, do those figures, do you think, help to make a decision on voting to "help the many rather than the few"? Or would it be better to vote for a party that will inevitably ensure that the Govt. takes a bigger slice of GDP and leaves less of everything, including productive jobs for almost everyone. I'd argue that the choice was not as clear-cut as many would have you believe.
Of course, when you are old and a drain on society, your medical care etc... will be paid for by the taxes of other people's children.
No they won't.
Tell us how you KNOW this?
I have full fat medical insurance and belong (pay into) to a charitable fund which coughs up if I were to need additional help.
The Masons?
I would rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick.
It's actually "a discretionary mutual aid fund". with a small(ish) membership of just over 2,000 individuals. If it's running at a surplus which it currently is, the excess funds are donated to hospitals and other worthy causes.
Re the fuel allowance. The neighbours behind me are both in receipt of this allowance and every year they contact the local authority to say they dont need it as they are comfortably off. They get told they must have it otherwise the money is lost. Instead they give it to a local charity.
Tory Government Deficit - Very High. Borrowing - From Rich individuals and organisations Up (over double since the last Labour government). Selling of Prized Assets - Royal Mail, NHS privatisation etc. Main Policy - Austerity. Main Players - Theresa May - Wants to hide. No TV debates. Allegedly no public invited to her speaches and visits. Boris Johnson - bumbling buffoon, who was happy to quote 350 million pound for the NHS if we vote Brexit. Complete LIE. Dr Liam Fox - Telling business people they should get of the Golf course on Friday afternoon and do some work !! Tagline - Strong Government & Stable Economy.
Charlton Regime Deficit - As per the account 13million Loss?. Borrowing - Loans to Roland Up year on year. Selling of Prized Assets - Kermogant, Morrison, Lookman etc Main Policy - Operate within a ridiculously small budget. Main Players - Roland - Hides in Belgium, has not been to a Charlton game in 3 years !! Robinson - Bumbles through all interviews. Told club is it not for sale. Next day leaks of Club being sold. Miere - Unqualified to be CEO. Telling fans they are customers. Being bandied around - Better the devil you know.
Would you Vote for the Charlton Regime ? I say vote for ANYONE but the Tories !!
Not to rush to the defence of the tories but the deficit is back down to pre 2007 levels and debt will of course continue to rise as long as a deficit exists.
Re the fuel allowance. The neighbours behind me are both in receipt of this allowance and every year they contact the local authority to say they dont need it as they are comfortably off. They get told they must have it otherwise the money is lost. Instead they give it to a local charity.
Do they accept a state pension or use NHS doctors / hospitals?
I sometimes think there's a little "Waitrose" snobbishness involved in choosing some benefits but not others.
Anyway, I thought the hip new thing was to stick it to the elites by using democracy as a disruption tactic. What greater disruption than voting a ruling party out of office during Brexit, and what grander elites than the Tories?
It goes with another figure which shows that the number of those categorised as "persistently poor" generally has also been falling. 9.2% women and 7.7% men of the general population in 2008, has gone down to 7.2% and 5.7% respectively in th elatest figures.
It would probably help if you had linked to the ONS report you are referring to, which would show that you misunderstand the detail on single parent families.
The ONS report states clearly at the bottom of section 2 that "it is important to understand that the at-risk-of-poverty rate is a relative indicator, measuring income compared with other people, so does not in itself necessarily imply a low standard of living". Poverty and persistent poverty . are defined as having disposable income of less than 60% of the median disposable income, nothing more The median disposable income has grown by 3.85% for 2008 to March 2016 whereas the price index has grown by 20% between March 2008 and March 2016. That means that if someone was just below the poverty line in 2008 and had their household income rise in line with inflation (ie they can buy exactly what they could buy in 2008 and so their living standards are kept constant), that person would now be considerably above the 'poverty line' despite no improvement in living standards.
Numbers can be deceiving. While the figures may make it appear that people are moving out of poverty, living standards are getting worse for those around and below the poverty line.
Yes, you are right, numbers can be deceiving. I was well aware of the 60% measure. And therein lies the dilemma. Merely by trashing the economy and reducing the net average disposable income, a Labour Govt. could claim that they had completely wiped out poverty. The fact we'd all be much worse off would be neither here nor there. Of course, the opposite would be true if the economy improved.
I should point out that the figures I quoted (the most recent I could find) were for ye 2014 so the CPI measure would be a little less than you quote. However I question the value of the CPI and its relevance to poor people. For example while "food and non-alcoholic beverages" make up 11.2% of the CPI weighting, "restaurants and hotels" make up 11.4%. (Go figure!) The highest constituents are "transport costs" 16.2% and "housing and household services" 14.4%. Next comes "Recreation and culture" at 13.4%. Now my expectation is that the poorest among us in society tend to spend much higher percentages of their disposable income on "housing and household services" than they do on "transport", staying in hotels or attending cultural events. So I don't know whether their personal price index would be worse or better. But I'm fairly convinced that it would be quite different.
You misrepresented your last set of numbers to make an incorrect point. And your response now is to send more numbers....
Tory Government Deficit - Very High. Borrowing - From Rich individuals and organisations Up (over double since the last Labour government). Selling of Prized Assets - Royal Mail, NHS privatisation etc. Main Policy - Austerity. Main Players - Theresa May - Wants to hide. No TV debates. Allegedly no public invited to her speaches and visits. Boris Johnson - bumbling buffoon, who was happy to quote 350 million pound for the NHS if we vote Brexit. Complete LIE. Dr Liam Fox - Telling business people they should get of the Golf course on Friday afternoon and do some work !! Tagline - Strong Government & Stable Economy.
Charlton Regime Deficit - As per the account 13million Loss?. Borrowing - Loans to Roland Up year on year. Selling of Prized Assets - Kermogant, Morrison, Lookman etc Main Policy - Operate within a ridiculously small budget. Main Players - Roland - Hides in Belgium, has not been to a Charlton game in 3 years !! Robinson - Bumbles through all interviews. Told club is it not for sale. Next day leaks of Club being sold. Miere - Unqualified to be CEO. Telling fans they are customers. Being bandied around - Better the devil you know.
Would you Vote for the Charlton Regime ? I say vote for ANYONE but the Tories !!
Not to rush to the defence of the tories but the deficit is back down to pre 2007 levels and debt will of course continue to rise as long as a deficit exists.
Agreed but rather than wiping out the deficit, they have increased the debt. Similar to what is happening at Charlton. We have a 13 million deficit - Roly covers the cost as a loan - debt rises.
Re the fuel allowance. The neighbours behind me are both in receipt of this allowance and every year they contact the local authority to say they dont need it as they are comfortably off. They get told they must have it otherwise the money is lost. Instead they give it to a local charity.
Do they accept a state pension or use NHS doctors / hospitals?
I sometimes think there's a little "Waitrose" snobbishness involved in choosing some benefits but not others.
Don't know, justthink thats decent of them to do that.
Re the fuel allowance. The neighbours behind me are both in receipt of this allowance and every year they contact the local authority to say they dont need it as they are comfortably off. They get told they must have it otherwise the money is lost. Instead they give it to a local charity.
Do they accept a state pension or use NHS doctors / hospitals?
I sometimes think there's a little "Waitrose" snobbishness involved in choosing some benefits but not others.
Don't know, justthink thats decent of them to do that.
Agreed - I wish I'd added that to my original comment!
I was just being a bit mischievous - I use Waitrose a lot myself!
Boris Johnson boiled my blood (and the presenter's - Charlie Stayt) on BBC Breakfast News this morning.
Came on to talk about the US and North Korea situation as foreign secretary, backed up his opinions with the views of some unnamed 'experts' (instantly rubbed me up the wrong way as clearly he's now in favour of 'experts' again as it suits him), turned the interview into a Corbyn-bash and evaded any direct questions about the actual topic of the interview.
Bloke is as slippery as they come. God, I nearly forgot how much I hate this sh*t... can't wait for the election to be over and done with already.
Tory Government Deficit - Very High. Borrowing - From Rich individuals and organisations Up (over double since the last Labour government). Selling of Prized Assets - Royal Mail, NHS privatisation etc. Main Policy - Austerity. Main Players - Theresa May - Wants to hide. No TV debates. Allegedly no public invited to her speaches and visits. Boris Johnson - bumbling buffoon, who was happy to quote 350 million pound for the NHS if we vote Brexit. Complete LIE. Dr Liam Fox - Telling business people they should get of the Golf course on Friday afternoon and do some work !! Tagline - Strong Government & Stable Economy.
Charlton Regime Deficit - As per the account 13million Loss?. Borrowing - Loans to Roland Up year on year. Selling of Prized Assets - Kermogant, Morrison, Lookman etc Main Policy - Operate within a ridiculously small budget. Main Players - Roland - Hides in Belgium, has not been to a Charlton game in 3 years !! Robinson - Bumbles through all interviews. Told club is it not for sale. Next day leaks of Club being sold. Miere - Unqualified to be CEO. Telling fans they are customers. Being bandied around - Better the devil you know.
Would you Vote for the Charlton Regime ? I say vote for ANYONE but the Tories !!
Not to rush to the defence of the tories but the deficit is back down to pre 2007 levels and debt will of course continue to rise as long as a deficit exists.
Not to rush to the defence of the regime but we did get a free bacon roll and trip to Northampton
Tory Government Deficit - Very High. Borrowing - From Rich individuals and organisations Up (over double since the last Labour government). Selling of Prized Assets - Royal Mail, NHS privatisation etc. Main Policy - Austerity. Main Players - Theresa May - Wants to hide. No TV debates. Allegedly no public invited to her speaches and visits. Boris Johnson - bumbling buffoon, who was happy to quote 350 million pound for the NHS if we vote Brexit. Complete LIE. Dr Liam Fox - Telling business people they should get of the Golf course on Friday afternoon and do some work !! Tagline - Strong Government & Stable Economy.
Charlton Regime Deficit - As per the account 13million Loss?. Borrowing - Loans to Roland Up year on year. Selling of Prized Assets - Kermogant, Morrison, Lookman etc Main Policy - Operate within a ridiculously small budget. Main Players - Roland - Hides in Belgium, has not been to a Charlton game in 3 years !! Robinson - Bumbles through all interviews. Told club is it not for sale. Next day leaks of Club being sold. Miere - Unqualified to be CEO. Telling fans they are customers. Being bandied around - Better the devil you know.
Would you Vote for the Charlton Regime ? I say vote for ANYONE but the Tories !!
Not to rush to the defence of the tories but the deficit is back down to pre 2007 levels and debt will of course continue to rise as long as a deficit exists.
Not in cash terms it's not and even reports in the Telegraph are on the pessimistic side.
I genuinely like the idea of a coalition, and it's a real shame that it was so brutal on the Lib Dems last time; they're the ideal party to benefit at the moment.
The Netherlands (? I think) constantly has a coalition because no party ever manages to gain a majority. This opens the door to one-policy party politics (i.e in the case of Holland again, Geert Wilders is the obvious example), but it does have the effect of better representation for everyone IMO.
Combine more political parties with an alternative to "First Past the Post", and there may be the basis for a system which represents the people more fairly. Electoral reform is needed IMO.
Our electorate is too stupid for coalitions. The Lib Dems were an extremely junior party in the coalition and their voter base was decimated because they didn't manage to carry out 100% of their manifesto.
When are the leaders of the Tory and Labour Party going to stop lying to the British people and admit that Brexit of any kind means leaving the single market?
When are the leaders of the Tory and Labour Party going to stop lying to the British people and admit that Brexit of any kind means leaving the single market?
When are the leaders of the Tory and Labour Party going to stop lying to the British people and admit that Brexit of any kind means leaving the single market?
May said that in January-BBC if you want to check it on Jan 17
Theresa May has said the UK "cannot possibly" remain within the European single market, as staying in it would mean "not leaving the EU at all".
You believe everything Mother Theresa says?
4 September if you want to check it:
I’m not going to be calling a snap election. I’ve been very clear that I think we need that period of time, that stability to be able to deal with the issues that the country is facing and have that election in 2020.
If she does not think it possible for us to have full access to the single market (which I agree would have to come with the four freedoms attached) then why bother with negotiations - let's just agree the terms of exit (i.e. the bill from the EU for the things we have committed to already) and just leave on WTO terms. Simples.
Or do you seriously think we can have our cake and eat it?
Back to the election (as opposed to Brexit), I wonder why all the personal attacks on Jeremy Corbyn? You'd be forgiven for thinking that the Tories must regard him as a threat - if he was irrelevant surely they would just ignore him?
Anyone know who the candidates are in Greenwich and Woolwich, or know much about them? I have seen the Labour incumbent is standing and I imagine he will win - any other news on this constituency? I am quite out of the loop with it.
That is my constituency. Matthew Pennycook is the standing MP. I voted for him in 2015 as I have voted Labour all my life. I sent him an e.mail before the Article 50 vote in the House of Commons asking him to assure me he was going to represent the contituency in that vote by voting against. The constituency voted overwhelmingly, something like 70%, to Remain, in the referendum. In response I received a stock response, obviously written by Labour head office, detailing why he was voting for article 50. All the Labour MPs in neighbouring constituencies, which also voted overwhelmingly to Remain, voted against article 50. So, to sum up, he is a useless piece of shit. Looks like I will still have to vote for him though because I don't see anyone else likely to prevent the Tory from getting elected.
I am really looking forward to see how Kate Hoey gets on in Vauxhall. I would dearly love to see her lose her seat.
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I hasten to add, a description with which I would wholeheartedly concur.
You are the CEO of a large UK-based multi-national company. You are well aware that the Companies Act places upon you a legal requirement contained in S172 to " act in the way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole." (members = shareholders) And while there are other responsibilities that is the primary one.
The first question is do you diminish the profitability of the company by sticking with the UK or do you move your headquarters (and therefore your corporation tax liability) to somewhere more benign, like Ireland or maybe the USA once Trump has reduced corporation tax rates?
The second question is what do you think other CEOs will be doing?
Am I right in thinking there are already countries with more benign tax regimes than the UK? If so, if the large UK-based multi-national company have not already departed for those benign shores, is the CEO not already failing to "...promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole,"?
I would say not, because he/she realises that there is more to a successful company than the bottom line. The necessary skill set is in the UK, the people who work there are happy to be in the UK, the board members and indeed the CEO him/herself is happy in the UK. They are doing very well, the shareholders are doing very well. A good number of them would be prepared to take a little hit on the tax side, if they saw improvement in society. Some may recognise that better education for the young as a whole, and not just those able to afford to go private might benefit the company in the future - their next electronics whiz kid may be living on a rough estate in Barking, rather than a country estate in Berkshire.
Human nature is involved, the CEO might be someone to whom money is the be all and end all, but his wife and grandchildren like living in Epping, and that's where they are staying. They don't want to move to Ireland or the USA.
Many of the other CEOs will be the same. Many millionaires still choose to live and pay tax in the UK rather than "do a Rothermere". I don't see why that would change.
And if Widget International moves to Monaco, there's no reason to believe that Widget Inc wont slip in to take it's place, using the skilled staff who didn't want to move...
Tory Government
Deficit - Very High.
Borrowing - From Rich individuals and organisations Up (over double since the last Labour government).
Selling of Prized Assets - Royal Mail, NHS privatisation etc.
Main Policy - Austerity.
Main Players -
Theresa May - Wants to hide. No TV debates. Allegedly no public invited to her speaches and visits.
Boris Johnson - bumbling buffoon, who was happy to quote 350 million pound for the NHS if we vote Brexit. Complete LIE.
Dr Liam Fox - Telling business people they should get of the Golf course on Friday afternoon and do some work !!
Tagline - Strong Government & Stable Economy.
Charlton Regime
Deficit - As per the account 13million Loss?.
Borrowing - Loans to Roland Up year on year.
Selling of Prized Assets - Kermogant, Morrison, Lookman etc
Main Policy - Operate within a ridiculously small budget.
Main Players -
Roland - Hides in Belgium, has not been to a Charlton game in 3 years !!
Robinson - Bumbles through all interviews. Told club is it not for sale. Next day leaks of Club being sold.
Miere - Unqualified to be CEO. Telling fans they are customers.
Being bandied around - Better the devil you know.
Would you Vote for the Charlton Regime ? I say vote for ANYONE but the Tories !!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/angela-merkel-attacks-british-illusion-of-keeping-benefits-of-eu
I sometimes think there's a little "Waitrose" snobbishness involved in choosing some benefits but not others.
I was just being a bit mischievous - I use Waitrose a lot myself!
Came on to talk about the US and North Korea situation as foreign secretary, backed up his opinions with the views of some unnamed 'experts' (instantly rubbed me up the wrong way as clearly he's now in favour of 'experts' again as it suits him), turned the interview into a Corbyn-bash and evaded any direct questions about the actual topic of the interview.
Bloke is as slippery as they come. God, I nearly forgot how much I hate this sh*t... can't wait for the election to be over and done with already.
telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/04/25/uks-deficit-slashed-level-last-seen-financial-crisis/
I'm not celebrating that 7 years of austerity has managed to get us back to a point we were at 10 years ago quite yet.
Theresa May has said the UK "cannot possibly" remain within the European single market, as staying in it would mean "not leaving the EU at all".
4 September if you want to check it:
I’m not going to be calling a snap election. I’ve been very clear that I think we need that period of time, that stability to be able to deal with the issues that the country is facing and have that election in 2020.
If she does not think it possible for us to have full access to the single market (which I agree would have to come with the four freedoms attached) then why bother with negotiations - let's just agree the terms of exit (i.e. the bill from the EU for the things we have committed to already) and just leave on WTO terms. Simples.
Or do you seriously think we can have our cake and eat it?
I am really looking forward to see how Kate Hoey gets on in Vauxhall. I would dearly love to see her lose her seat.
The worrying thing is, you don't know until you listen to the interview yourself!!!