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  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    i know its a lot more labour related (but the thread got deleted a while ago) but has anyone seen billy bragg going a bit morrissey on twitter this morning?
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,850
    kentaddick said:

    i know its a lot more labour related (but the thread got deleted a while ago) but has anyone seen billy bragg going a bit morrissey on twitter this morning?

    I have. But this thread is purely for having a go at the Conservatives, the issues within Labour (whataboutery alert!!!) are so toxic we can't even discuss them.
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    Huskaris said:

    kentaddick said:

    i know its a lot more labour related (but the thread got deleted a while ago) but has anyone seen billy bragg going a bit morrissey on twitter this morning?

    I have. But this thread is purely for having a go at the Conservatives, the issues within Labour (whataboutery alert!!!) are so toxic we can't even discuss them.
    I know this might sound crazy, but why not start another thread.
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    There is however no end of shit from the Tories, care to discuss any of this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/taking-out-the-trash-heres-the-bad-news-buried-by-the-tories

    My personal non favourite and close to my heart is the lack of mental health treatment/care for forces veterans. I have worked supporting vets through addiction, homelessness and depression and whilst it there has always been a need at the moment those needs are not being met.

    What particularly galls me is that veterans are often used unwittingly by those who want a short cut to demonstrate their patriotism, but where are the marches and demonstrations against the government for their brutal cuts.
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,850
    Cordoban Addick said:

    Huskaris said:

    kentaddick said:

    i know its a lot more labour related (but the thread got deleted a while ago) but has anyone seen billy bragg going a bit morrissey on twitter this morning?

    I have. But this thread is purely for having a go at the Conservatives, the issues within Labour (whataboutery alert!!!) are so toxic we can't even discuss them.
    I know this might sound crazy, but why not start another thread.
    Because it gets sunk... Hence my point.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Cordoban Addick said:

    There is however no end of shit from the Tories, care to discuss any of this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/taking-out-the-trash-heres-the-bad-news-buried-by-the-tories

    My personal non favourite and close to my heart is the lack of mental health treatment/care for forces veterans. I have worked supporting vets through addiction, homelessness and depression and whilst it there has always been a need at the moment those needs are not being met.

    What particularly galls me is that veterans are often used unwittingly by those who want a short cut to demonstrate their patriotism, but where are the marches and demonstrations against the government for their brutal cuts.

    Couldn’t agree more. There’s nothing so great as going off to serve your country and we’ll get right behind you in platitudes and parades, but you’re at the mercy of the underfunded public services when you get back and might not be able to get a job, are injured or have suffered mental and emotional torment

    And as a reward for potentially suffering life changing industries, Theresa May might want you wheeled out for a photo or something

    It’s one thing that sickens me when I hear about ex forces being left to just wither away once they are no longer serving
  • mcgrandall
    mcgrandall Posts: 931
    edited July 2018
    Cordoban Addick said:

    There is however no end of shit from the Tories, care to discuss any of this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/taking-out-the-trash-heres-the-bad-news-buried-by-the-tories

    My personal non favourite and close to my heart is the lack of mental health treatment/care for forces veterans. I have worked supporting vets through addiction, homelessness and depression and whilst it there has always been a need at the moment those needs are not being met.

    What particularly galls me is that veterans are often used unwittingly by those who want a short cut to demonstrate their patriotism, but where are the marches and demonstrations against the government for their brutal cuts.

    That article just highlights how truly clueless in every aspect the government is. They have no idea about how to solve any of those problems or have a unified vision of the future of our country. They spend so much of their energy trying to stop the party tearing itself apart over Brexit and terrifying people about the oposition that no one is running the country.

    At this rate it the deal with Europe will not matter because they have fecked everything up at home for a generation.

  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    mcgrandall said:


    Cordoban Addick said:

    There is however no end of shit from the Tories, care to discuss any of this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/taking-out-the-trash-heres-the-bad-news-buried-by-the-tories

    My personal non favourite and close to my heart is the lack of mental health treatment/care for forces veterans. I have worked supporting vets through addiction, homelessness and depression and whilst it there has always been a need at the moment those needs are not being met.

    What particularly galls me is that veterans are often used unwittingly by those who want a short cut to demonstrate their patriotism, but where are the marches and demonstrations against the government for their brutal cuts.

    That article just highlights how truly clueless in every aspect the government is. They have no idea about how to solve any of those problems or have a unified vision of the future of our country. They spend so much of their energy trying to stop the party tearing itself apart over Brexit and terrifying people about the oposition that no one is running the country.

    At this rate it the deal with Europe will not matter because they have fecked everything up at home for a generation.

    I believe they already have.
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    I wouldn't wish this on any council and certainly not on its community, but what I don't understand is why is it Tory authorities that are in the deepest trouble. Aren't they meant to have small budgets and be the party of economic competence?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/03/local-council-funding-crisis-east-sussex-cuts-services
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited August 2018
    Cordoban Addick said:

    I wouldn't wish this on any council and certainly not on its community, but what I don't understand is why is it Tory authorities that are in the deepest trouble. Aren't they meant to have small budgets and be the party of economic competence?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/03/local-council-funding-crisis-east-sussex-cuts-services

    Most of them probably started politics in the days of good old Maggie when super efficient councils like Wandsworth and Westminster were able to offer council tax rates costing little more than a good meal out. Unlike prolifligate Labour.

    Like Surrey's old threat to exceed legal budget, they expected a sleight of hand by Hammond in budget funding to bail them out.
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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Cordoban Addick said:

    I wouldn't wish this on any council and certainly not on its community, but what I don't understand is why is it Tory authorities that are in the deepest trouble. Aren't they meant to have small budgets and be the party of economic competence?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/03/local-council-funding-crisis-east-sussex-cuts-services

    "It said increasing levels of poverty in the county had resulted in an increase in child neglect cases."

    Something is very wrong with the way our country is administered if it's bringing deprivation and poverty to children.

  • Chaz Hill
    Chaz Hill Posts: 5,217
    Oggy Red said:

    Cordoban Addick said:

    I wouldn't wish this on any council and certainly not on its community, but what I don't understand is why is it Tory authorities that are in the deepest trouble. Aren't they meant to have small budgets and be the party of economic competence?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/03/local-council-funding-crisis-east-sussex-cuts-services

    "It said increasing levels of poverty in the county had resulted in an increase in child neglect cases."

    Something is very wrong with the way our country is administered if it's bringing deprivation and poverty to children.

    Don’t worry Esther has commissioned a £200k report to get to the bottom of this poverty nonsense. Hard faced c*w!
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    StigThundercock said:

    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.

    Not a fan then ?

  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    StigThundercock said:

    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.

    His brother is more of a worry......!
  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,689
    Boris has been meeting alt-right mastermind Steve Bannon and this latest is right out of his playbook. Have a go at Muslims so everyone knows you don't like them and don't apologise. The people who already disliked you will still dislike you, but you'll have a lot more passionate support from Tommy Robinson.
    I'm not sure this is particularly well thought out but we'll see. Labour took ages to act on their former Mayor of London over anti-Semitism, let's see what happens here. Not holding my breath and I think the Tories need to remember they can't win with this sort of dog whistle being centre ground.
  • Chaz Hill
    Chaz Hill Posts: 5,217
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/08/dominic-grieve-i-will-leave-party-if-boris-becomes-leader

    I might even be tempted to vote Tory if Grieve was their leader (well not really). He certainly nails Johnson here.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    edited August 2018
    Chaz Hill said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/08/dominic-grieve-i-will-leave-party-if-boris-becomes-leader

    I might even be tempted to vote Tory if Grieve was their leader (well not really). He certainly nails Johnson here.

    I'm unclear what Bojo wants - seems to see himself as a mixture of Churchill, Farage and Trump yet is entirely incompetent as a politician. He's incapable of taking responsibility for anything yet in his own mind he'll make a great PM.

    Another arrogant, entitled f***wit indulged by that sector of the public who worship old Etonians.

    We don't need egotists such as Bojo governed by self-interest in positions of high office.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    Can you just give a moments thought to the possibility that Johnson replaces May as Tory leader and Prime Minister.

    It would be the crowning turd of what’s happening in British politics and starting to look more than possible.
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    edited August 2018
    Dunno about the Tories but I imagine Moggy's little boy couldn't wait to change out of his shirt, tie and tank top ensemble when they got back to the hotel...

    image

    August in New York can get chilly I suppose.

    ;-)
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  • mcgrandall
    mcgrandall Posts: 931
    The US has just imposed new sanctions over the Salisbury attack for breaking international law. Can't wait to see who's visa we deny next....
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Can you just give a moments thought to the possibility that Johnson replaces May as Tory leader and Prime Minister.

    It would be the crowning turd of what’s happening in British politics and starting to look more than possible.

    As much as I agree I can't like your comment.

    We would have finally slid into the abyss as a nation if Johnson becomes PM even for a few months.
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    StigThundercock said:

    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.

    Perhaps you could moderate your language. Children are able to access these pages.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    smudge7946 said:

    StigThundercock said:

    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.

    Perhaps you could moderate your language. Children are able to access these pages.
    wtf are chidren doing spending there holidays reading threads about tory politics ?
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    smudge7946 said:

    StigThundercock said:

    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.

    Perhaps you could moderate your language. Children are able to access these pages.
    WONT SOMEBODY PLEAAASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    smudge7946 said:

    StigThundercock said:

    They need to call out racist cunts like Boris, withdraw the whip, ban him from the party and move to have him expelled from the House. The cynical squint eyed shitbag is beneath contempt.

    Perhaps you could moderate your language. Children are able to access these pages.
    Says someone who has "mudge" as part of his moniker?????
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    edited August 2018
    Boris wants to be leader/Prime Minister. He has worked out where he has to position himself to increase his chances. Making a statement like that is not going to make him less popular with the people he is going for and the others would never vote for him anyway.
  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    edited August 2018
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Boris wants to be leader/Prime Minister. He has worked out where he has to position himself to increase his chances. Making a statement like that is not going to make him less popular with the people he is going for and the others would never vote for him anyway.

    Straight from the Bannon/Trump playbook.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Fact
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    Dunno about the Tories but I imagine Moggy's little boy couldn't wait to change out of his shirt, tie and tank top ensemble when they got back to the hotel...

    image

    August in New York can get chilly I suppose.

    ;-)

    Where did he get those buttons from? Napoleon? What a complete, out of touch, plank.
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