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The Ashes 2017-18

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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668



    Games last season his stock ball was low-mid 80s his quicker one was 87-88.

    What do you think Canters, still room for improvement speed wise?, or do you think thats his mark?
    It will be hard to hit 90 mph considering his height.
    But a great prospect with a great attitude
    But we've already spoken about 'short' quicks B72, Steyn,Marshall sprig to mind - you dont have to be 6 foot plus (although obviously it helps).
    That's a very fair point.
    But I don't see him becoming a Steyn or a Marshall.
    What I do see is a very promising all rounder but not an out and out quicky
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Quick enough to bowl Kent out though obviously
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,911



    Games last season his stock ball was low-mid 80s his quicker one was 87-88.

    What do you think Canters, still room for improvement speed wise?, or do you think thats his mark?
    Not sure. That'll be one for the bowling coaches etc.

    I'd be happy if he maintains his current pace and stays fit and develops his batting a bit more. Being left arm and skiddy he already poffers enough different or variations from the rest of an attack to make him a threat. Doesn't need to be lightning to cause problems.

    Nothing stopping him from becoming a world class allrounder in time.

    Surrey are convinced he will bat at 4 in the championship in time.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    One anecdote i had was that i used to play cricket with Ed Giddins, and he used to be able to bowl a ball that came out of the wrong hand - i've got no idea how he did it, but he used to saunter up thinking he was right arm over and the ball would come out of his left hand ! - very disconcerting for the batter, and used to get a few wickets with it too. Not quite sure how legal it would be now though.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280



    Games last season his stock ball was low-mid 80s his quicker one was 87-88.

    What do you think Canters, still room for improvement speed wise?, or do you think thats his mark?
    Not sure. That'll be one for the bowling coaches etc.

    I'd be happy if he maintains his current pace and stays fit and develops his batting a bit more. Being left arm and skiddy he already poffers enough different or variations from the rest of an attack to make him a threat. Doesn't need to be lightning to cause problems.

    Nothing stopping him from becoming a world class allrounder in time.

    Surrey are convinced he will bat at 4 in the championship in time.
    Sounds almost like another Kallis, though dont want to put him on too high a pedestal at moment. But no doubt he will be a special player. With him and Sam Northeast in the side next season we should be pushing for trophies. :)
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    As Riviera might say, "there is a Surrey thread I believe.............."
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668

    As Riviera might say, "there is a Surrey thread I believe.............."

    This is more fun:)
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,911



    Games last season his stock ball was low-mid 80s his quicker one was 87-88.

    What do you think Canters, still room for improvement speed wise?, or do you think thats his mark?
    Not sure. That'll be one for the bowling coaches etc.

    I'd be happy if he maintains his current pace and stays fit and develops his batting a bit more. Being left arm and skiddy he already poffers enough different or variations from the rest of an attack to make him a threat. Doesn't need to be lightning to cause problems.

    Nothing stopping him from becoming a world class allrounder in time.

    Surrey are convinced he will bat at 4 in the championship in time.
    Sounds almost like another Kallis, though dont want to put him on too high a pedestal at moment. But no doubt he will be a special player. With him and Sam Northeast in the side next season we should be pushing for trophies. :)
    We should have been pushing for trophies last season but that's another story.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Don't forget the 4th ODI starts tonight/morning 3am BT.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    When you come on to bowl you have to inform the batsman, via the umpire, of your bowling action; ie right arm over, left arm round etc. If you deliver anything different without telling the batsman that you are changing you action then it's a no-ball.
    I remember umpiring a junior game when a new bowler came on to bowl.
    "What's your action son?"
    "Huh?"
    "What do you bowl?"
    "Oh! Fast."

    He wasn't.
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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Riviera said:

    When you come on to bowl you have to inform the batsman, via the umpire, of your bowling action; ie right arm over, left arm round etc. If you deliver anything different without telling the batsman that you are changing you action then it's a no-ball.
    I remember umpiring a junior game when a new bowler came on to bowl.
    "What's your action son?"
    "Huh?"
    "What do you bowl?"
    "Oh! Fast."

    He wasn't.

    Thats when you start bowling....... "right arm over"....but it was the surprise factor, and the fact he played for England used to sway in his way. He never used to do it much , only in friendly/non competitive games.
  • One anecdote i had was that i used to play cricket with Ed Giddins, and he used to be able to bowl a ball that came out of the wrong hand - i've got no idea how he did it, but he used to saunter up thinking he was right arm over and the ball would come out of his left hand ! - very disconcerting for the batter, and used to get a few wickets with it too. Not quite sure how legal it would be now though.

    Was this during his drug taking days :smile:
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280

    One anecdote i had was that i used to play cricket with Ed Giddins, and he used to be able to bowl a ball that came out of the wrong hand - i've got no idea how he did it, but he used to saunter up thinking he was right arm over and the ball would come out of his left hand ! - very disconcerting for the batter, and used to get a few wickets with it too. Not quite sure how legal it would be now though.

    Was this during his drug taking days :smile:
    After
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    You cannot surprise a batsman by changing from right to left arm! It is a no-ball.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,911

    Don't forget the 4th ODI starts tonight/morning 3am BT.

    Dissapointed Willey has got the nod to replace Plunkett for this match ahead of TC. Big fan of Willey and like that he is left arm and his one day batting is very underrated. But he is very much a swing bowler. Even in English conditions he is useful in the first 10 overs and usually goes for a few when he comes back layer in the game and the ball doesn't do as much. In Aus with their ball it won't swing and I fear he could get ruined. I just feel TC has a bit more about him in terms of big game mentality and is better at natural variations of there is no swing. Feel he would do better in the conditions.
  • Don't forget the 4th ODI starts tonight/morning 3am BT.

    Dissapointed Willey has got the nod to replace Plunkett for this match ahead of TC. Big fan of Willey and like that he is left arm and his one day batting is very underrated. But he is very much a swing bowler. Even in English conditions he is useful in the first 10 overs and usually goes for a few when he comes back layer in the game and the ball doesn't do as much. In Aus with their ball it won't swing and I fear he could get ruined. I just feel TC has a bit more about him in terms of big game mentality and is better at natural variations of there is no swing. Feel he would do better in the conditions.
    *snigger
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    edited January 2018

    Don't forget the 4th ODI starts tonight/morning 3am BT.

    Dissapointed Willey has got the nod to replace Plunkett for this match ahead of TC. Big fan of Willey and like that he is left arm and his one day batting is very underrated. But he is very much a swing bowler. Even in English conditions he is useful in the first 10 overs and usually goes for a few when he comes back layer in the game and the ball doesn't do as much. In Aus with their ball it won't swing and I fear he could get ruined. I just feel TC has a bit more about him in terms of big game mentality and is better at natural variations of there is no swing. Feel he would do better in the conditions.
    *snigger
    Canters likes his fuller length
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited January 2018
    England 4-2 after 4 overs

    Roy gone second ball for 0. Hales out for 3.

    Bairstow and Root both on 0.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    4-3. Bairstow gone for 0.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    6-4. Root out for 0.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    8-5. Buttler out for another 0. That's four in the innings now.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    13-5 off 8 overs and Starc isn't playing.
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,844
    It’s a feckin massacre! Why can’t England do what Australia do and not just settle for a series win but go out to destroy us. The aussies love to whitewash us, we should have the same mentality.
    Fair play to the convicts, it’s the national day here, aptly named Australia Day (they aren’t big on imagination here) so they are always going to be fired up for this.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    edited January 2018
    128-8 off 35.2 overs Woakes 43 not out

    Ali and Morgan both made 33
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    50 for Woakes...

    149-8, 38 overs
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Woakes out for 78.

    180-9, 42.4 overs
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    196 all out. 44.5 overs.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Incredibly mature innings by Woakes (78 off 82) given the circumstances.
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    From 13-5 that is some recovery.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    CHG said:

    From 13-5 that is some recovery.

    Fifth wicket fell after 8 runs so even better.