Welcome back Chris Solly. I really don't know his personal circumstances why it ended so badly but I think he can be a real asset to our academy boys. Agree, I would like to hear his story and then move on.
I get to hear many stories through my son about contracts from 1st year scholars to seasoned professionals and the complexities are hard to work out. Can't say names for obvious reasons but two lads from the same independent academy get taken on by premier teams. Both turned 18 earlier this year. One gets a contract worth 400k a year while the other gets a one year contract on 40k a year. Basically the lad on the less money still has to prove himself and it appears that his agent, parents and himself believe it may be best to get the superior coaching at the Premier club for another year rather than dropping down and getting more money down the pyramid at this stage. The lad on the bigger wages still has to prove himself but I believe there were many suitors which helps.
Still don't think fans realize the difference in contracts and how despite the Bosman ruling it's still a real battle between players and their employer. Again I'm not talking about the star players who have many choices.
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
Thanks,it looks like he was not going to be picked unlike Taylor. In any case he deserves a 2nd chance after the service he gave to the club over the years.
How many times was he in the match day squad, during the last 3 months of his contract? Bowyer never seem to pick him.
Thats alright then.
Wasn’t he club captain too?
Yes but in my eyes he was a Charlton boy from a young age and put his body on the line with his knee injuries .As already stated he hardly played in 3 months while the money grabber was playing regularly that’s the difference for me 😊
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
It’s probably because if Solly had played we still would have been relegated, if Taylor had played then we would have stayed up
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
I think that Solly’s actions were out of character, whereas Taylor always seemed to relish being in the public eye, and acted in a way which certainly didn’t surprise me. Personally, I bear no malice towards Solly, whereas I would not give Taylor the time of day.
Surely as club captain he made it easier for Taylor to do it yet CS gets a pass?
and all this loyal stuff is a stretch, if he wasn’t so injury prone he would have been off years before, Charlton kept hold of him despite his injury record. We could have released him a number of times but kept renewing his contract out of loyalty and he turned around and pissed in our pocket
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
It’s probably because if Solly had played we still would have been relegated, if Taylor had played then we would have stayed up
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
I'm sorry thats just nonsense that we would have played we would have stayed up our team as a whole was poor, he scored 11 goals that season and half of which was penalties (I believe), would he have been useful ? yes. Would we have stayed up probably not.
So there was even less of a reason for Solly to refuse to play ?
I think that Solly’s actions were out of character, whereas Taylor always seemed to relish being in the public eye, and acted in a way which certainly didn’t surprise me. Personally, I bear no malice towards Solly, whereas I would not give Taylor the time of day.
Maybe but all i saw was one give there reasons for refusing (which i understand but dont agree with), whilst Solly went radio silence.
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
It’s probably because if Solly had played we still would have been relegated, if Taylor had played then we would have stayed up
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
I'm sorry thats just nonsense that we would have played we would have stayed up our team as a whole was poor, he scored 11 goals that season and half of which was penalties (I believe), would he have been useful ? yes. Would we have stayed up probably not.
So there was even less of a reason for Solly to refuse to play ?
We’d have easily stayed up if Taylor had played, 1 more goal would have done it. We had Bonne and Hemed starting games up front ffs!!! He scored 11 goals despite being injured for quite a stretch of the season and then missing the last bit, but not to mention the rest of his game that made the whole team better.
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
It’s probably because if Solly had played we still would have been relegated, if Taylor had played then we would have stayed up
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
I still don't understand why Solly wasn't in the dressing room, as he was the club captain, and a senior pro in that team.
Because one was our first choice centre forward and best player and the other was a reserve right back who would have played exactly 90 minutes in the run-in and wasn't even missed on the occasion he would have been used. I didn't like Solly doing that but it's not enough to offset the seven or so years of fantastic service he gave us. Taylor didn't quite manage to complete two seasons for us and we needed him desperately. Plus Taylor's a prick.
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
It’s probably because if Solly had played we still would have been relegated, if Taylor had played then we would have stayed up
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
I'm sorry thats just nonsense that we would have played we would have stayed up our team as a whole was poor, he scored 11 goals that season and half of which was penalties (I believe), would he have been useful ? yes. Would we have stayed up probably not.
So there was even less of a reason for Solly to refuse to play ?
We’d have easily stayed up if Taylor had played, 1 more goal would have done it. We had Bonne and Hemed starting games up front ffs!!! He scored 11 goals despite being injured for quite a stretch of the season and then missing the last bit, but not to mention the rest of his game that made the whole team better.
Half of those goals were penalties. There was no guarantees we would get a pen ? He got the same amount of goals as Bonne ?
Thanks,it looks like he was not going to be picked unlike Taylor. In any case he deserves a 2nd chance after the service he gave to the club over the years.
Solly will have to turn up in disguise on a matchday.
Because one was our first choice centre forward and best player and the other was a reserve right back who would have played exactly 90 minutes in the run-in and wasn't even missed on the occasion he would have been used. I didn't like Solly doing that but it's not enough to offset the seven or so years of fantastic service he gave us. Taylor didn't quite manage to complete two seasons for us and we needed him desperately. Plus Taylor's a prick.
I still can’t tell if the “what’s the difference between Taylor and Solly?” comments are genuine or from WUMs but if you genuinely can’t see it then I don’t even know where to start.
I still can’t tell if the “what’s the difference between Taylor and Solly?” comments are genuine or from WUMs but if you genuinely can’t see it then I don’t even know where to start.
Quite, one was the club captain. Makes it worse, morally, in my eyes.
Thanks,it looks like he was not going to be picked unlike Taylor. In any case he deserves a 2nd chance after the service he gave to the club over the years.
Solly will have to turn up in disguise on a matchday.
He's an academy coach so he won't need to at Sparrows Lane.
A lot of water has gone under the bridge. If Steve Avory wants him there it's fine by me.
The fact of the matter was he refused to be involved when he could of been useful for his own personal benefit, its the same situation as Taylor. I understand why they did it but don't agree with it.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
It’s probably because if Solly had played we still would have been relegated, if Taylor had played then we would have stayed up
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
I'm really not sure why Solly gets so much stick. Bowyer last picked him for a cup match on 5th January. After that he did not play him in a single game. Bowyer told Solly he wasn't getting another contract and he almost certainly would not have picked him anyway. Even if Solly had played he would not have made one difference to the way things ended up for us.
Bowyer also openly admits that he used the absence of Taylor, Solly and Davis as a means of bringing the rest of the squad together and to do that the last thing he would have wanted was a "conscientious objector" hanging around the place as that would have undermined the message he was trying to give. Bowyer ultimately showed how really annoyed he was with them that the first thing he did when he got to Birmingham was to sign Taylor, the very person that might have scored a goal or two to keep us up.
Rather than focusing on that episode, surely people can see the benefit of having someone coaching our lads who did play for 12 years for us, understands the Club and never gave anything other than his best when on the pitch. For us. Than a hypothetical final month or so when he didn't play. Because one things for certain and that is that it wasn't his fault that we went down.
But, when all is said and done, the decision to bring Solly back isn't ours. That decision would have been influenced by the likes of Steve Avory (Director of Coaching), Rhys Williams (Head of Coaching), Jason Pearce (Senior Professional Development Lead Coach) and Tracey Leaburn (Player Liaison Officer). Any doubts about Solly and they would have told the hierarchy not to touch him with a bargepole. It's not as if the footballing world is so short of coaches that we had to re-employ him is it?
How many times was he in the match day squad, during the last 3 months of his contract? Bowyer never seem to pick him.
Which made his refusal to play even more odd. He could have left himself open to play and almost certainly lying wouldn't have anyway.
Exactly, it's still confusing why he never made himself available.
There was a logic for a short term loan player Davis not wanting to be away from home during Covid, and there was a logic (however much we hated him for it) for Taylor to save himself for his big new contract, but the Solly decision made no sense. Especially as it was potentially an extra 2 months of decent salary for doing nothing on the pitch, at his local club. And I still think he had a role to play, even if it was just in the dressing room or on the training ground. As someone who clearly even then was thinking of becoming a coach, a great chance to watch and learn.
I still think there's more to this than has been revealed.
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Agree, I would like to hear his story and then move on.
I get to hear many stories through my son about contracts from 1st year scholars to seasoned professionals and the complexities are hard to work out.
Can't say names for obvious reasons but two lads from the same independent academy get taken on by premier teams. Both turned 18 earlier this year. One gets a contract worth 400k a year while the other gets a one year contract on 40k a year. Basically the lad on the less money still has to prove himself and it appears that his agent, parents and himself believe it may be best to get the superior coaching at the Premier club for another year rather than dropping down and getting more money down the pyramid at this stage. The lad on the bigger wages still has to prove himself but I believe there were many suitors which helps.
Still don't think fans realize the difference in contracts and how despite the Bosman ruling it's still a real battle between players and their employer. Again I'm not talking about the star players who have many choices.
I think we all know why Solly gets an easier time than Taylor even though they both refused to play whilst under contract. "one of our boys" club.
Disappointing but understandable.
Wasn’t he club captain too?
I’m not even sure Solly would have played a game anyway, Matthews and Oshilaja were both better options at full back at the time
Personally, I bear no malice towards Solly, whereas I would not give Taylor the time of day.
and all this loyal stuff is a stretch, if he wasn’t so injury prone he would have been off years before, Charlton kept hold of him despite his injury record. We could have released him a number of times but kept renewing his contract out of loyalty and he turned around and pissed in our pocket
So there was even less of a reason for Solly to refuse to play ?
A lot of water has gone under the bridge. If Steve Avory wants him there it's fine by me.
Which made his refusal to play even more odd. He could have left himself open to play and almost certainly lying wouldn't have anyway.
Bowyer also openly admits that he used the absence of Taylor, Solly and Davis as a means of bringing the rest of the squad together and to do that the last thing he would have wanted was a "conscientious objector" hanging around the place as that would have undermined the message he was trying to give. Bowyer ultimately showed how really annoyed he was with them that the first thing he did when he got to Birmingham was to sign Taylor, the very person that might have scored a goal or two to keep us up.
Rather than focusing on that episode, surely people can see the benefit of having someone coaching our lads who did play for 12 years for us, understands the Club and never gave anything other than his best when on the pitch. For us. Than a hypothetical final month or so when he didn't play. Because one things for certain and that is that it wasn't his fault that we went down.
But, when all is said and done, the decision to bring Solly back isn't ours. That decision would have been influenced by the likes of Steve Avory (Director of Coaching), Rhys Williams (Head of Coaching), Jason Pearce (Senior Professional Development Lead Coach) and Tracey Leaburn (Player Liaison Officer). Any doubts about Solly and they would have told the hierarchy not to touch him with a bargepole. It's not as if the footballing world is so short of coaches that we had to re-employ him is it?
There was a logic for a short term loan player Davis not wanting to be away from home during Covid, and there was a logic (however much we hated him for it) for Taylor to save himself for his big new contract, but the Solly decision made no sense. Especially as it was potentially an extra 2 months of decent salary for doing nothing on the pitch, at his local club. And I still think he had a role to play, even if it was just in the dressing room or on the training ground. As someone who clearly even then was thinking of becoming a coach, a great chance to watch and learn.
I still think there's more to this than has been revealed.