Everything poor, lacking or indeed criminally insane ultimately points back to one man, either directly or indirectly.
End of.
Don't agree fanny Robinson's brought a few players in this season and I'm sure we would of improved Ricky s wages a little bit
Don't agree, clb74.
I'm not disputing that Ricky's wages may have been improved a little in order to keep him "onside" .
I'm also not disputing that a few players have been brought in this season.
What I shall continue to dispute is whether an owner with a soupcon of interest in our football club would have failed to back his manager to the hilt in the summer with a top 2 finish in L1 the be all & end all......especially an owner who is indisputably a million, if not, billionaire.
Even though you may claim that lessons had been learned over the previous 3 years, for many of us, that was never enough. Duchatelet knows little AND indeed cares little about the Beautiful Game especially at a time when he was evidently wavering over his ownership of football clubs in general. This was hardly the time to commit more than he felt necessary to ensuring Robbo's squad was totally fit for purpose....
Whilst failing to ensure sufficient depth is fairly indisputable, surely you would agree that one of the most important members of a squad are its strikers.....yet, despite Novak's obvious desire to leave, this was a role reliant purely on one, single player. No back up. No cover. And with Dodoo and now Best joining the group, little has really changed as sadly, neither will bag a hatfull of goals, nor will they seriously challenge Big Josh in leading the line.
And, as we now approach Christmas and the halfway point in the season, we are reaping the fruits of this Scrooge's scrimping with no goals scored in the last 270 minutes. THIS, alone, may well cost us promotion come May.
And although this is one of the most recent deplorable decisions he has made, those that went before are clearly too numerous to detail here.
They say that all roads lead to Rome.
In our case, all roads lead to Belgium ....and are chock full of potholes.
We continually underestimate the opposition, and how canny some of their managers can be with limited resources. Unless you can construct a team that is plainly so far out ahead, then you need to make sure you know the battleground very well indeed. For Karl he must make what he thinks theoretically adapt successfully in this division. At the moment we are not getting it right between imposing our style (which needs a fully fit first team anyway) and adapting to circumstances. Although I am naturally a pessimist there is still a chance to do something this season but we need a bit of reconfiguration.
It was all looking rosy back in September when we went two up against Oldham after 21 minutes. Up to this point we were playing the best football I’ve seen Charlton play since the Premier League days. A 30 yards screamer from Ricky, a well worked goal from Fosu and we looked like scoring every time we got the ball. What happened next was almost microcosm of our season. Oldham brought on the aggressive, athletic Fane in the 27thminute, Oldham started closing us down, and the end game ended a nail biting 3-4. We were lucky to get more than a draw in the end. Basically Oldham sussed us out. And too many teams have done that this season.
Lee Novak scored 2 goals in about 30 league games for Charlton. I'm not sure he's especially relevant when talking about our lack of goals. He didn't want to be here.
Everything poor, lacking or indeed criminally insane ultimately points back to one man, either directly or indirectly.
End of.
Don't agree fanny Robinson's brought a few players in this season and I'm sure we would of improved Ricky s wages a little bit
Dream on.
So Robinson was told to move on nearly all the strikers and told to bring in Marshall, fosu, Clarke, Reeves and retain Holmes then.
From September I've been blaming the Belgians also about having no strikers and that'll cost us points and we might just miss out on promotion because of it.
But would the lack of strikers been all down to the Belgians. Not that Novak was the answer but if his decided he wants out at the last minute would it be Karl's or the Belgians fault. I would of told him no chance but like others have said if Novak Don t want to be here do we want him here. Also if we are going to continue with 1 up front and father Christmas brings us at least 1 more striker can we keep the striker on the bench happy.
At present we are in a play off place a month ago I posted the next four away games will be difficult from Scunthorpe to Wigan game. Might even become reality that we take 0 from 12 points from the 4. We've not amassed the points at home over the last 4 games what I was hoping for either. For me the downturn would be after the bury away game in January.
6th place in the league 1 for the past five seasons required less than 75 points we need at least 40 points from the remaining 25games to have a shout.
5 matches in 2 weeks currently i cant see us getting much of out them at all.
blackpool h - 1-1 draw southend a - 1-0 loss wigan a - shock 1 -0 win gills h - 2-2 draw oldham h - 2-1 win
id take that if offered.
I wouldn't. May have to but after the poor run we've had we need to be winning ALL our home games, especially when playing teams in the bottom half (and Blackpool are on a worse run that us - lost their last 3 games) & Southend is winnable too. To make up lost ground we need to be win them all apart from the Wigan game. 12 points is a must but at a push I'll take 10 points
The Valley needed to be a fortress, it hasn't been. Our inability to win against average teams that come and park the bus will likely be our downfall unless something drastically changes in terms of tactics / personnel available for selection.
5 matches in 2 weeks currently i cant see us getting much of out them at all.
blackpool h - 1-1 draw southend a - 1-0 loss wigan a - shock 1 -0 win gills h - 2-2 draw oldham h - 2-1 win
id take that if offered.
I wouldn't. May have to but after the poor run we've had we need to be winning ALL our home games, especially when playing teams in the bottom half (and Blackpool are on a worse run that us - lost their last 3 games) & Southend is winnable too. To make up lost ground we need to be win them all apart from the Wigan game. 12 points is a must but at a push I'll take 10 points
Yep need 10 from next 15. Then need to start winning away.
It started the day that man took over the club with his team of inept sycophants and it will only end when he finally buggers off and takes them with him.
Build up play is too slow, teams sitting deep knowing we just pass the ball sideways until eventually someone puts in a cross to Mag who because of the slow build up will have at least 2 men challenging him for the ball. Its amazing we dont have a plan B. No options on the bench doesnt help, and injuries to key in form players have crippled us. Must be soo easy to prepare a team to face us. All away teams sit deep and hit us on the break, and at league one level they know they will get a few chances. I dont think the lack of a striker is the problem as we are not creating chances.
5 matches in 2 weeks currently i cant see us getting much of out them at all.
blackpool h - 1-1 draw southend a - 1-0 loss wigan a - shock 1 -0 win gills h - 2-2 draw oldham h - 2-1 win
id take that if offered.
I wouldn't. May have to but after the poor run we've had we need to be winning ALL our home games, especially when playing teams in the bottom half (and Blackpool are on a worse run that us - lost their last 3 games) & Southend is winnable too. To make up lost ground we need to be win them all apart from the Wigan game. 12 points is a must but at a push I'll take 10 points
I can actually see a loss coming Saturday and KR being sacked at some point in December. Let me stess this is not what I want. I like KR, he has his faults but every manager does, but he has been sold a pup and now he has been less vocal in defence of KR and RD I can honestly see him gone by the new year.
I can actually see a loss coming Saturday and KR being sacked at some point in December. Let me stess this is not what I want. I like KR, he has his faults but every manager does, but he has been sold a pup and now he has been less vocal in defence of KR and RD I can honestly see him gone by the new year.
If Roland does bin him, that makes me think we won't be having new owners soon.
I can actually see a loss coming Saturday and KR being sacked at some point in December. Let me stess this is not what I want. I like KR, he has his faults but every manager does, but he has been sold a pup and now he has been less vocal in defence of KR and RD I can honestly see him gone by the new year.
If Roland does bin him, that makes me think we won't be having new owners soon.
If they bin KR that is me gone from holding a very thin thread I'm hanging on this current minute.
Interested in people’s general thoughts on what might behind this recent downturn. ?
1) Deep seated contagion from 4 years of the regime. 2) Significant underfunding of this year's squad, leaving it short of quality and cover in many areas. 3) Half wit manager with half a plan and no consideration for the suitability of the players available.
the fact that it manifests as a downturn is largely due to some unexpected good fortune earlier on:
Fosu acquired as a squad player, turned out to be more than adequate and ready to go in August Kashi returned every bit the player we saw 2 years ago, so slipped under roly's radar - for now Sarr returned 10 times the player anyone dared hope he could ever be, also slipping under the buffoon's sensors. The squad was probably 3 players better than expected, while still being 5 or 6 players light to sustain a top 6 season. Injuries have arrived in a glut giving Gobby's empty head even more to muddle.
Essentially we've been batting above our average for three months but the chickens are coming home to roost at the same time the cow's come home. From December through to probably March, Charlton will splutter and stumble down to its truer level of 16th to 18th. Unless something significant changes in the next 5 weeks... Much as we would like it otherwise, repeating actions in expectation of different results is the very definition of roly's policy for Charlton. The fact that Gobby might be the 2nd best manager of roly's toxic tenure, is feint praise indeed.
Interested in people’s general thoughts on what might behind this recent downturn. ?
1) Deep seated contagion from 4 years of the regime. 2) Significant underfunding of this year's squad, leaving it short of quality and cover in many areas. 3) Half wit manager with half a plan and no consideration for the suitability of the players available.
the fact that it manifests as a downturn is largely due to some unexpected good fortune earlier on:
Fosu acquired as a squad player, turned out to be more than adequate and ready to go in August Kashi returned every bit the player we saw 2 years ago, so slipped under roly's radar - for now Sarr returned 10 times the player anyone dared hope he could ever be, also slipping under the buffoon's sensors. The squad was probably 3 players better than expected, while still being 5 or 6 players light to sustain a top 6 season. Injuries have arrived in a glut giving Gobby's empty head even more to muddle.
Essentially we've been batting above our average for three months but the chickens are coming home to roost at the same time the cow's come home. From December through to probably March, Charlton will splutter and stumble down to its truer level of 16th to 18th. Unless something significant changes in the next 5 weeks... Much as we would like it otherwise, repeating actions in expectation of different results is the very definition of roly's policy for Charlton. The fact that Gobby might be the 2nd best manager of roly's toxic tenure, is feint praise indeed.
It’s been said before, but it all starts with Roland.
A disinterested owner who cares little about on field performance will influence those who report directly to him. If he doesn’t care about results, they won’t. As a result there is no urgency in fielding a strong team. Manager and players will also feed of that, and you get into cycles like this where nobody really cares that results are not good, and nobody is motivated to improve matters.
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I'm not disputing that Ricky's wages may have been improved a little in order to keep him "onside" .
I'm also not disputing that a few players have been brought in this season.
What I shall continue to dispute is whether an owner with a soupcon of interest in our football club would have failed to back his manager to the hilt in the summer with a top 2 finish in L1 the be all & end all......especially an owner who is indisputably a million, if not, billionaire.
Even though you may claim that lessons had been learned over the previous 3 years, for many of us, that was never enough. Duchatelet knows little AND indeed cares little about the Beautiful Game especially at a time when he was evidently wavering over his ownership of football clubs in general. This was hardly the time to commit more than he felt necessary to ensuring Robbo's squad was totally fit for purpose....
Whilst failing to ensure sufficient depth is fairly indisputable, surely you would agree that one of the most important members of a squad are its strikers.....yet, despite Novak's obvious desire to leave, this was a role reliant purely on one, single player. No back up. No cover. And with Dodoo and now Best joining the group, little has really changed as sadly, neither will bag a hatfull of goals, nor will they seriously challenge Big Josh in leading the line.
And, as we now approach Christmas and the halfway point in the season, we are reaping the fruits of this Scrooge's scrimping with no goals scored in the last 270 minutes. THIS, alone, may well cost us promotion come May.
And although this is one of the most recent deplorable decisions he has made, those that went before are clearly too numerous to detail here.
They say that all roads lead to Rome.
In our case, all roads lead to Belgium ....and are chock full of potholes.
Unless you can construct a team that is plainly so far out ahead, then you need to make sure you know the battleground very well indeed.
For Karl he must make what he thinks theoretically adapt successfully in this division. At the moment we are not getting it right between imposing our style (which needs a fully fit first team anyway) and adapting to circumstances.
Although I am naturally a pessimist there is still a chance to do something this season but we need a bit of reconfiguration.
What happened next was almost microcosm of our season. Oldham brought on the aggressive, athletic Fane in the 27thminute, Oldham started closing us down, and the end game ended a nail biting 3-4. We were lucky to get more than a draw in the end.
Basically Oldham sussed us out. And too many teams have done that this season.
From September I've been blaming the Belgians also about having no strikers and that'll cost us points and we might just miss out on promotion because of it.
But would the lack of strikers been all down to the Belgians.
Not that Novak was the answer but if his decided he wants out at the last minute would it be Karl's or the Belgians fault.
I would of told him no chance but like others have said if Novak Don t want to be here do we want him here.
Also if we are going to continue with 1 up front and father Christmas brings us at least 1 more striker can we keep the striker on the bench happy.
At present we are in a play off place a month ago I posted the next four away games will be difficult from Scunthorpe to Wigan game.
Might even become reality that we take 0 from 12 points from the 4.
We've not amassed the points at home over the last 4 games what I was hoping for either.
For me the downturn would be after the bury away game in January.
southend a - 1-0 loss
wigan a - shock 1 -0 win
gills h - 2-2 draw
oldham h - 2-1 win
id take that if offered.
Then need to start winning away.
It started the day that man took over the club with his team of inept sycophants and it will only end when he finally buggers off and takes them with him.
Must be soo easy to prepare a team to face us. All away teams sit deep and hit us on the break, and at league one level they know they will get a few chances. I dont think the lack of a striker is the problem as we are not creating chances.
Mediocre manager
Underperforming players
Disillusioned supporters
Really looking forward to Saturday.
2) Significant underfunding of this year's squad, leaving it short of quality and cover in many areas.
3) Half wit manager with half a plan and no consideration for the suitability of the players available.
the fact that it manifests as a downturn is largely due to some unexpected good fortune earlier on:
Fosu acquired as a squad player, turned out to be more than adequate and ready to go in August
Kashi returned every bit the player we saw 2 years ago, so slipped under roly's radar - for now
Sarr returned 10 times the player anyone dared hope he could ever be, also slipping under the buffoon's sensors. The squad was probably 3 players better than expected, while still being 5 or 6 players light to sustain a top 6 season.
Injuries have arrived in a glut giving Gobby's empty head even more to muddle.
Essentially we've been batting above our average for three months but the chickens are coming home to roost at the same time the cow's come home. From December through to probably March, Charlton will splutter and stumble down to its truer level of 16th to 18th. Unless something significant changes in the next 5 weeks... Much as we would like it otherwise, repeating actions in expectation of different results is the very definition of roly's policy for Charlton. The fact that Gobby might be the 2nd best manager of roly's toxic tenure, is feint praise indeed.
A disinterested owner who cares little about on field performance will influence those who report directly to him. If he doesn’t care about results, they won’t. As a result there is no urgency in fielding a strong team. Manager and players will also feed of that, and you get into cycles like this where nobody really cares that results are not good, and nobody is motivated to improve matters.