Just watched his interview on Valley Pass. Came across very very well. Seems calm and has his own ideas. I hope the new owners give him a chance
A chance at what ? He doesn't have the qualifications to be a full time manager, so the absolute most he can be given is until the end of the season, unless you mean a chance as Kewell's assistant ?
Just like Curbishley and Lawrence you mean and they seemed to do ok.
I don't think CE is writing Bowyer off because he doesn't have the badges, he is merely pointing out that he is not allowed, according to the rules, to be made full time manager without them.
No reason why he can't take his badges in the summer presuming he doesn't already have some form of coaching qualifications.
I was basing my opinion on the belief that Lee has got a B licence, which is OK for centres of excellence, but not an A licence, which allows you to be a manager or coach in the professional game - according to the PFA that typically takes two years to achieve.
If this is incorrect and Lee can get his badges in a few months as opposed to 2 years, then that would be great.
What a great and unexpected result. Give them credit. Coupled with the impending takeover, the new formation and style of play has clearly given everyone (including the players) some hope and lift. Keep the foot on the gas and who knows...
Just watched his interview on Valley Pass. Came across very very well. Seems calm and has his own ideas. I hope the new owners give him a chance
A chance at what ? He doesn't have the qualifications to be a full time manager, so the absolute most he can be given is until the end of the season, unless you mean a chance as Kewell's assistant ?
Just watched his interview on Valley Pass. Came across very very well. Seems calm and has his own ideas. I hope the new owners give him a chance
A chance at what ? He doesn't have the qualifications to be a full time manager, so the absolute most he can be given is until the end of the season, unless you mean a chance as Kewell's assistant ?
Just like Curbishley and Lawrence you mean and they seemed to do ok.
I don't think CE is writing Bowyer off because he doesn't have the badges, he is merely pointing out that he is not allowed, according to the rules, to be made full time manager without them.
No reason why he can't take his badges in the summer presuming he doesn't already have some form of coaching qualifications.
I was basing my opinion on the belief that Lee has got a B licence, which is OK for centres of excellence, but not an A licence, which allows you to be a manager or coach in the professional game - according to the PFA that typically takes two years to achieve.
If this is incorrect and Lee can get his badges in a few months as opposed to 2 years, then that would be great.
It's not out of the question to assume he has been working on his A license whilst working at Charlton for just over a year. Not sure how long these things take to complete but it's possible that he could complete it before the start of next season.
Really impressive start. In the two post match comments quoted Bowyer has spoken more sense than Robinson did in his whole tenure. I'm not going to say he is the Messiah but that was a really good debut.
The A licence takes 18 days to complete. Not sure if that's 18 consecutive days though as they sometimes spread the courses out over a few weeks / months.
Heard a rumour Bowyer will be doing his A licence in the summer. This crossed with caretakers being allowed to lead 10 games says it's Bowyer and Jacko moving forward.
Scratch that there's no limit to how long someone can be caretaker manager for.
It's all about timing. If Bowyer gets a few games to manage and we win them, Kewell loses a few, it might make any new owners think twice about who gets the job on a permanent basis. My guess is Kewell will come in with Bowyer staying as assistant manager.
It's all about timing. If Bowyer gets a few games to manage and we win them, Kewell loses a few, it might make any new owners think twice about who gets the job on a permanent basis. My guess is Kewell will come in with Bowyer staying as assistant manager.
One positive is the fact that Kewell and Bowyer know each other really well from Leeds
Over the last few days, it sounds as though Bowyer's issue was the fact that Robinson didnt listen to him (Can imagine the latter thinking that because he's the more experienced one, then Bowyer and Jackson should have been listening to him), yet if Kewell does listen to those around him then it should be a better working arrangement
I spoke to a Rangers fan who came to the game from Chelmsford who was disparaging about Warburton, said he was all about money and that Warburtons wife ran a player agency.
I spoke to a Rangers fan who came to the game from Chelmsford who was disparaging about Warburton, said he was all about money and that Warburtons wife ran a player agency.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
I spoke to a Rangers fan who came to the game from Chelmsford who was disparaging about Warburton, said he was all about money and that Warburtons wife ran a player agency.
I spoke to a Rangers fan who came to the game from Chelmsford who was disparaging about Warburton, said he was all about money and that Warburtons wife ran a player agency.
Doesnt surprise me seeing that Warburton was a trader in the City before he became a Manager
Just watched his interview on Valley Pass. Came across very very well. Seems calm and has his own ideas. I hope the new owners give him a chance
A chance at what ? He doesn't have the qualifications to be a full time manager, so the absolute most he can be given is until the end of the season, unless you mean a chance as Kewell's assistant ?
Just like Curbishley and Lawrence you mean and they seemed to do ok.
I don't think CE is writing Bowyer off because he doesn't have the badges, he is merely pointing out that he is not allowed, according to the rules, to be made full time manager without them.
No reason why he can't take his badges in the summer presuming he doesn't already have some form of coaching qualifications.
I was basing my opinion on the belief that Lee has got a B licence, which is OK for centres of excellence, but not an A licence, which allows you to be a manager or coach in the professional game - according to the PFA that typically takes two years to achieve.
If this is incorrect and Lee can get his badges in a few months as opposed to 2 years, then that would be great.
Do you remember when Southgate got the Middlesbrough Job, he didn't have the A Licence and Steve Gibson was given 12 weeks to explain to the FA and football managers association why the gaps in Southgate CV was acceptable ? (I couldn't recall the answer so just checked) Gibson being a wealthy and intelligent guy said to the powers that be because GS was a premier and International player he didn't have the time and the FA accepted the reason given. Not certain but you would think that Premier league compared to league 2 would have a different criteria. What ever happened to Gareth Southgate !
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
Football is very much a merry go round of jobs for the boys. It would be interesting to hear from someone in the know why a licence is required.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
I don't think that argument would run. There are many industries where you need an appropriate qualification in order to trade. IFAs, Gas Safe engineers and brain surgeons being a few examples.
HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the process. If the FA has a limited number of trainers for the prospective coaches, aren't they all going to end up as clones of the trainer with not an original thought between them?
BTW, it seems someone needs the UEFA Pro licence only if they are coaching a Premier League side or a team competing in UEFA competitions. UEFA A (FA Level 4) is sufficient for EFL managers.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
Football is very much a merry go round of jobs for the boys. It would be interesting to hear from someone in the know why a licence is required.
Merely because the Governing bodies (UEFA & The FA) have made it a mandatory requirement.
Example A: Ex pro who spent 20 years at the top of the game, playing in Europe and the Premier and Championship under various managers and different formations and training methods.
Example B: never made it as a pro because got injured as teenager and went into coaching young and got every badge going including the UEFA A Licence before he was 29 but appears to have a plan A which is set in stone.
Not knocking the badges per se but 20 years as a pro should give you an understanding of the minds of footballers that Example A will never totally get.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
I don't think that argument would run. There are many industries where you need an appropriate qualification in order to trade. IFAs, Gas Safe engineers and brain surgeons being a few examples.
HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the process. If the FA has a limited number of trainers for the prospective coaches, aren't they all going to end up as clones of the trainer with not an original thought between them?
BTW, it seems someone needs the UEFA Pro licence only if they are coaching a Premier League side or a team competing in UEFA competitions. UEFA A (FA Level 4) is sufficient for EFL managers.
Does anyone know - is there an actual badge?
Being qualified to be a brain surgeon, a Gas safe engineer or an IFA I can fully understand but needing a piece of paper to be a football manager ?
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
“Had enough of these so called experts”.
The licenses are to make sure players are trained in a safe environment and one that isn’t damaging. It also means they’re being taught the latest in technology and coaching, which can only be a good thing.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
I don't think that argument would run. There are many industries where you need an appropriate qualification in order to trade. IFAs, Gas Safe engineers and brain surgeons being a few examples.
HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the process. If the FA has a limited number of trainers for the prospective coaches, aren't they all going to end up as clones of the trainer with not an original thought between them?
BTW, it seems someone needs the UEFA Pro licence only if they are coaching a Premier League side or a team competing in UEFA competitions. UEFA A (FA Level 4) is sufficient for EFL managers.
Does anyone know - is there an actual badge?
Being qualified to be a brain surgeon, a Gas safe engineer or an IFA I can fully understand but needing a piece of paper to be a football manager ?
A lot of it is aimed at behavioural management and psychology with session design I've found so far. I think the higher up you go, the more focused it becomes on designing session with more of a long term aim, systems, formations etc.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
I don't think that argument would run. There are many industries where you need an appropriate qualification in order to trade. IFAs, Gas Safe engineers and brain surgeons being a few examples.
HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the process. If the FA has a limited number of trainers for the prospective coaches, aren't they all going to end up as clones of the trainer with not an original thought between them?
BTW, it seems someone needs the UEFA Pro licence only if they are coaching a Premier League side or a team competing in UEFA competitions. UEFA A (FA Level 4) is sufficient for EFL managers.
Does anyone know - is there an actual badge?
Being qualified to be a brain surgeon, a Gas safe engineer or an IFA I can fully understand but needing a piece of paper to be a football manager ?
A lot of it is aimed at behavioural management and psychology with session design I've found so far. I think the higher up you go, the more focused it becomes on designing session with more of a long term aim, systems, formations etc.
You can get all the qualifications in the world and still be f***ing useless as a manager. It's not rocket science being a football manager but too many are recruited who just blag it - Pardew and Robinson keep getting jobs despite coming across as egotistical bullshitters.
To me, somebody needing a licence to manage a football team sounds like an unnecessary restriction in trade and, as I suspect many football fans could name examples of, not necessarily an endorsement of some success in the role. Maybe football needs a ‘Bosman’ for unlicensed managers...
I don't think that argument would run. There are many industries where you need an appropriate qualification in order to trade. IFAs, Gas Safe engineers and brain surgeons being a few examples.
HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the process. If the FA has a limited number of trainers for the prospective coaches, aren't they all going to end up as clones of the trainer with not an original thought between them?
BTW, it seems someone needs the UEFA Pro licence only if they are coaching a Premier League side or a team competing in UEFA competitions. UEFA A (FA Level 4) is sufficient for EFL managers.
Does anyone know - is there an actual badge?
Being qualified to be a brain surgeon, a Gas safe engineer or an IFA I can fully understand but needing a piece of paper to be a football manager ?
A lot of it is aimed at behavioural management and psychology with session design I've found so far. I think the higher up you go, the more focused it becomes on designing session with more of a long term aim, systems, formations etc.
You can get all the qualifications in the world and still be f***ing useless as a manager. It's not rocket science being a football manager but too many are recruited who just blag it - Pardew and Robinson keep getting jobs despite coming across as egotistical bullshitters.
Ian Dowie with his engineering degree was the nearest thing to a rocket scientist and his last training session at sparrows lane as shown on London news the boys were playing cricket !
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If this is incorrect and Lee can get his badges in a few months as opposed to 2 years, then that would be great.
Just guessing though.
Very reminiscent of Curbs.
This crossed with caretakers being allowed to lead 10 games says it's Bowyer and Jacko moving forward.Scratch that there's no limit to how long someone can be caretaker manager for.
Over the last few days, it sounds as though Bowyer's issue was the fact that Robinson didnt listen to him (Can imagine the latter thinking that because he's the more experienced one, then Bowyer and Jackson should have been listening to him), yet if Kewell does listen to those around him then it should be a better working arrangement
Gibson being a wealthy and intelligent guy said to the powers that be because GS was a premier and International player he didn't have the time and the FA accepted the reason given.
Not certain but you would think that Premier league compared to league 2 would have a different criteria.
What ever happened to Gareth Southgate !
HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the process. If the FA has a limited number of trainers for the prospective coaches, aren't they all going to end up as clones of the trainer with not an original thought between them?
BTW, it seems someone needs the UEFA Pro licence only if they are coaching a Premier League side or a team competing in UEFA competitions. UEFA A (FA Level 4) is sufficient for EFL managers.
Does anyone know - is there an actual badge?
BTW this interview/article https://talksport.com/football/lee-bowyer-tells-talksport-he-wants-start-managerial-career-and-
would-be-keen-charlton from November 2016 suggests that Lee Bowyer completed his coaching qualifications back then.
Example B: never made it as a pro because got injured as teenager and went into coaching young and got every badge going including the UEFA A Licence before he was 29 but appears to have a plan A which is set in stone.
Not knocking the badges per se but 20 years as a pro should give you an understanding of the minds of footballers that Example A will never totally get.
The licenses are to make sure players are trained in a safe environment and one that isn’t damaging. It also means they’re being taught the latest in technology and coaching, which can only be a good thing.