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England Cricket - Summer of 2018

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
    Riviera said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Could Hales and Morgan be any worse than Jennings and Malan?

    Morgan doesn't play red ball cricket, thankfully.
    Neither does Hales!
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    Sam Curran called up as Stokes is an injury doubt
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:

    Sam Curran called up as Stokes is an injury doubt

    Which means he will miss the Kent Surrey match on Friday :smile:
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/sam-curran-called-into-england-test-squad/
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    killerandflash said:

    Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:

    Sam Curran called up as Stokes is an injury doubt

    Which means he will miss the Kent Surrey match on Friday :smile:
    Actually solves a problem. We were struggling to get all our top class quicks in there.

    Sam
    Tom
    Morkel
    Clarke
    Dernbach
    Meaker

    And we had been playing with only 3.

    Still a massive loss though and o believe it's too early for him. Especially in tests. Would prefer him to have a few one dayers then come back to us.

    Think woakes should come in if Stokes is out.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    cantersaddick said:

    killerandflash said:

    Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:

    Sam Curran called up as Stokes is an injury doubt

    Which means he will miss the Kent Surrey match on Friday :smile:
    Actually solves a problem. We were struggling to get all our top class quicks in there.

    Sam
    Tom
    Morkel
    Clarke
    Dernbach
    Meaker

    And we had been playing with only 3.

    Still a massive loss though and o believe it's too early for him. Especially in tests. Would prefer him to have a few one dayers then come back to us.

    Think woakes should come in if Stokes is out.
    Playing Woakes, Wood, Broad and Jimmy does make more sense really, I imagine Sam will be released on the morning of the Test (but too late to get back to Beckenham)
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Playing four RFM bowlers makes more sense than a left-armer who swings it?

    I guess if they don't want Bess batting at 7 then they have to pick Woakes. Is Wood necessary?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Leuth said:

    Playing four RFM bowlers makes more sense than a left-armer who swings it?

    I guess if they don't want Bess batting at 7 then they have to pick Woakes. Is Wood necessary?

    I think that Bess. Curran.Wood,Jimmy and Broad gives a much better balance.
    Doesnt matter who bats at 7 - batting is shit at 7/11 anyway.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Maybe they throw Curran in at 6 as direct Stokes replacement and hope it works
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    Sam's batting has very much taken a back seat while he has concentrated on his bowling the last year or so. The potential is still there and on his day he looks very good - Surrey are still backing him in the long run (Stewie says he will bat 4 for Surrey) but for now his batting isn't brilliant. Don't think he has made a 20 yet this season. He bats 7 in first class cricket for us (6 in the one dayers) and most surrey fans think he is a place or 2 too high. To bat him any higher than 7 for England would be madness.
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Leuth said:

    Playing four RFM bowlers makes more sense than a left-armer who swings it?

    I guess if they don't want Bess batting at 7 then they have to pick Woakes. Is Wood necessary?

    On the other hand playing a 20 year old spinner and a 19/20 year old seamer in the same side is a massive risk, especially against a confident Pakistan batting line up.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,856
    We are gonna go all Paul Warhurst / Chris Sutton and Curran will open with Cook.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Buttler will defo bat 6. I think both Curran and Woakes need to play to provide some extra strength in batting if Stokes is out. Woakes 7, Bess 8 and Curran 9. Would open with Wood and Jimmy
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    cafcfan1990 said:

    Buttler will defo bat 6. I think both Curran and Woakes need to play to provide some extra strength in batting if Stokes is out. Woakes 7, Bess 8 and Curran 9. Would open with Wood and Jimmy

    So you are droppimh Broad? Or are we playing with 12 an hoping no one notices?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Suggestion from Vaughan was that Broad should be dropped. Hasnt 'done it' condistently for some time.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    edited May 2018
    Nor has Cook. He might get the odd big score but he is usually quite reliable in terms of getting out for a low one nowadays. Sad because he was a great player.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    The_President said:

    Suggestion from Vaughan was that Broad should be dropped. Hasnt 'done it' condistently for some time.

    I think his suggestion was more that he didn't want Woakes brought in at the expense of Wood (the "easy option") and instead dropping a big name would shake things up and remove some of the complacency in the side.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Nor has Cook. He might get the odd big score but he is usually quite reliable in terms of getting out for a low one nowadays. Sad because he was a great player.

    I still think he's our best batsman. I do agree that he's more inconsistent these days though. It's rare that he'll have two good innings in one test.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    The Red Robin said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Nor has Cook. He might get the odd big score but he is usually quite reliable in terms of getting out for a low one nowadays. Sad because he was a great player.

    I still think he's our best batsman. I do agree that he's more inconsistent these days though. It's rare that he'll have two good innings in one test.
    Oh dare I say it, one!
  • Kenny Achampong
    Kenny Achampong Posts: 540
    Listened to the show, and I think MV's main point was that we shouldn't just keep picking players on reputation - we need to let a few bombs go off to keep people on their toes, and not so comfortable in the team.

    Would be interested in when Broad last took five wickets in an innings - am thinking SA away a couple of years ago?

    Not sure if it matters if Broad or Woakes play, until England find a way of not being 100-5 in just about every test they play, then we are doomed to lose more than we win,
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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    MrOneLung said:

    We are gonna go all Paul Warhurst / Chris Sutton and Curran will open with Cook.

    Not quite opening, but Essex once played Danish Kaneria at 3 in a T20. Having seen that, anything else seems plausible
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    edited June 2018
    cantersaddick said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    Buttler will defo bat 6. I think both Curran and Woakes need to play to provide some extra strength in batting if Stokes is out. Woakes 7, Bess 8 and Curran 9. Would open with Wood and Jimmy

    So you are droppimh Broad? Or are we playing with 12 an hoping no one notices?
    Might need 12 players to get the win. But yes I would drop Broad, I wouldn't say Woakes is any better, but can't see him being much worse and provides some much needed batting depth.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,792
    Woakes, Curran and Jennnings in for Wood, Stokes and Stoneman

    Pakistan win the toss and will bat
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,792
    I fancy us to dismiss them for between 150-175
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Playing four number 7 batsmen I see - maybe they'll play whist to see who bats 6
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Buttler 6, Woakes 7, Bess 8 and Curran 9 I reckon.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Harsh to drop Wood.

    With no Stokes either, we do lack a bit of pace and aggression in our bowling
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,792
    Good start from Anderson and Broad. LBW reviewed and overturned after being given out and then an excellent slip catch to make it 0-1
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Batting first a bold move. It could easily backfire
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,655
    edited June 2018
    killerandflash said:

    Harsh to drop Wood.

    With no Stokes either, we do lack a bit of pace and aggression in our bowling

    He's probably going to break down if he plays back to back tests so it's actually quite a sensible move.

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