I don't the employment law rules but in the current situation if it's safe to go to work and you refuse would you expect to be sacked?
In Taylors case, or any employee/employer case, I feel you should show some loyalty to an employer who paid you whilst you were unable to work due to injuring yourself whilst working for another company (which your main employer has no control over) and at least fulfil your contractual obligations.
I am deeply disappointed in Taylor's attitude. Not that he'll probably give a shit.
This. It's one thing not signing a new contract or wanting to leave, but its another refusing to play when you are being paid for another 2 months.
1 month and possibly only 1-2 games before his contract ends on 30 June.
It doesn't matter if it's 1-2 or 8-9 games he will miss, he should make himself available to play in any game he is contractually obliged to if fit.
So local businesses haven’t been paid by the club, and may need that money to survive, but players who got paid on Friday can refuse to play?
Well that money could’ve gone to the business who need it instead of someone who is refusing to fulfil their contract.
Not only that, but players could get injured doing absolutely anything.
If you want to look at it another way, Lyle got injured on international duty and missed 14 weeks of the season. He didn’t get injured on our watch. Therefore, he was unable to fulfil his duties with us during that time. Now he wants to refuse to fulfil them and not play, at the risk of getting injured because he is moving elsewhere for 4x the money. Doesn’t that mean he owes us around 16 weeks?
Maybe I am just going on too much, but this really winds me up.
Strip all the emotion out of it, we’ve been handicapped as a team since October and we’re now about to play a period of games in a short space of time (where we have to do better than others) without our best player and talisman.
It’s not all over, but the list of things to overcome just keeps increasing
Our only hope is that the disruption to the season and the novelty of it all being played behind closed doors throws all form out the window. I think there will be some very bizarre/surprising results to look forward to!
Clubs only pay July wages if out of contract and without another club I thought I read somewhere.
Lyle will have another club contract from then I would assume hence not playing. Co-incidently whilst it leaves a sour taste right now, Lyle was part of the team that gave me a fantastic day at Wembley. I will always respect him for the way he got on with this season after Brentford move collapsed and gave his all. Lyle is good at 100%, I am sure he is great at 60/70/80% but if not fully committed as has the nagging worry then his head is not in it. Understandable but majorly disappointing for us as fans.
Solly has been a fantastic servant for the club. His knee(?) injury has caught up with him and played less and less. Matthews has been a suitable deputy. I respect Chris's decision as if he did get another injury then us, and other teams, would not offer another contract. He is probably high risk due to previous history. I don't blame him. He probably will get another chance elsewhere so why risk it, especially if he knows he isn't getting abother contract (we don't know whats been said).
For those saying about Lewis Page and Loans, Page needs to play to prove himself to other clubs if he isn't getting another contract here (who knows) and loanees have contracts at parent clubs hence injury issue not a problem.
Bowyer has done a fantastic job and will do his best with the players wanting to play for Charlton.
Assuming his contract expires on June 30th, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that Taylor actually ends up playing the last 5-6 games of the season with a different club. Maybe even one that we come up against (Brentford for example).
Assuming his contract expires on June 30th, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that Taylor actually ends up playing the last 5-6 games of the season with a different club. Maybe even one that we come up against (Brentford for example).
I am almost certain that won't be allowed to happen. But it is the EFL so you know it might be a risk.
Assuming his contract expires on June 30th, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that Taylor actually ends up playing the last 5-6 games of the season with a different club. Maybe even one that we come up against (Brentford for example).
The transfer window is closed - he could not play for another club this season.
So local businesses haven’t been paid by the club, and may need that money to survive, but players who got paid on Friday can refuse to play?
Well that money could’ve gone to the business who need it instead of someone who is refusing to fulfil their contract.
Not only that, but players could get injured doing absolutely anything.
If you want to look at it another way, Lyle got injured on international duty and missed 14 weeks of the season. He didn’t get injured on our watch. Therefore, he was unable to fulfil his duties with us during that time. Now he wants to refuse to fulfil them and not play, at the risk of getting injured because he is moving elsewhere for 4x the money. Doesn’t that mean he owes us around 16 weeks?
Maybe I am just going on too much, but this really winds me up.
This all day long. He gets injured playing for fucking monserrat and the club foot the bill of paying wages to a non playing player for 3 months and now he wont even see out his contract? Football is a law unto itself.
It's obviously poor form that he's decided not to play.
Definitely in breach of contract for refusing to play before June 30th. However, I doubt the threat of a week or two without pay is going to affect him if he's agreed a decent contract elsewhere.
Over the last few weeks he's done the club a massive favour with his honesty. He's also been fantastic for 80% of the 60 odd games he's played for us. Shame it ends this way but I can forgive him. We're a joke of a club and we've only got ourselves to blame for yet another quality player walking away from the club for free come 1st July.
He may be a better player than most of the rest of our squad, but that doesn't mean a different set of rules should apply to him. A kick in the teeth to the fans and his own teammates.
Solly has been a fantastic servant for the club. His knee(?) injury has caught up with him and played less and less. Matthews has been a suitable deputy. I respect Chris's decision as if he did get another injury then us, and other teams, would not offer another contract. He is probably high risk due to previous history. I don't blame him. He probably will get another chance elsewhere so why risk it, especially if he knows he isn't getting abother contract (we don't know whats been said).
If Solly is that worried about playing a few games (mainly from the bench), why would another club give him a contract for a whole year?
Danny Murphy saying that Lyle should be playing, says that Lyle should speak to the club about an Insurance Policy
Has questioned if the club are capable of doing that though
Acknowledges that Taylor is 30 compared to Murphy being 20 when he went from Crewe to Liverpool
Yet says that playing with the fear of injury is not a good place to be in
Insured against losing a contract that doesn’t exist? Sign me up for that policy!
How do you know that there isn't a contract that has already been agreed? Even if he doesn't have a contract in place an insurance policy could be taken out by the club, in Lyle's favour, covering the earnings that he could expect to receive over the next three years following a move. Of course, the club won't do that because it doesn't have proper leadership and doesn't have a pot to piss in. Can't blame Lyle at all and I hope that he gets the move that his talent deserves.
Unless he’s moving to a foreign club I’m pretty sure he can’t sign anything (if that’s what you mean by “agreed”) with another English team until his contract with Charlton expires.
Thank you for being mostly professional for the majority of your career, however you are now screwing the club over at a point in which it desperately needs you to play... Not for fear of Covid, but for fear of injury.
That's not professional, that's not acceptable. It's pretty despicable behaviour in fact.
It's been a ride, and it was great to have you play for us, but since that Injury you haven't been the same and it's clear that you've feared injury may scupper a summer move since returning.
Hopefully Macauley, Andre and Josh can do what you aren't willing to even try.
Solly has been a fantastic servant for the club. His knee(?) injury has caught up with him and played less and less. Matthews has been a suitable deputy. I respect Chris's decision as if he did get another injury then us, and other teams, would not offer another contract. He is probably high risk due to previous history. I don't blame him. He probably will get another chance elsewhere so why risk it, especially if he knows he isn't getting abother contract (we don't know whats been said).
If Solly is that worried about playing a few games (mainly from the bench), why would another club give him a contract for a whole year?
Solly would likely end up playing in League One with a mid table club who would jump at the chance of having his experience on board. He wouldn’t make the same money, but it would be better than nothing at all.
Shame for everyone that he’s gonna leave on a sour note. Can’t blame him personally as I’m pretty sure we’d all do the same. It’s just a shame the way it’s planned out.
seems like he’s gonna get a prem move and good luck to him - without him we wouldn’t be where we are now that’s for sure
I can blame him personally.
He is a professional footballer under contract to play football for the club that pay his wages.
I don't blame him for wanting to leave the club, but I do blame him for not seeing out his contract.
Will we play a game before his contract expires at the end of June? 1 game maybe, 2 max.
We'll possibly fine him wages for the weeks he refuses to play and that'll be that.
If he's that disinterested, Bowyer is obviously better off planning for all games without him.
If we're playing 2 games a week and starting 20th June, I'd expect us to play at least 3 games before the end of June.
It annoys me that Lyle can pick and choose when he wants to play, or when he wants to be professional, or when he wants to respect Bowyer, the man who brought him to the club and has supported him through everything. It’s not too much to ask to fulfil your contract and play, even if it is until the end of June. 4 matches is not a lot to ask, when those 4 matches are huge for our club’s future.
I know it will never happen in football, but if someone in any other walk of life refuses to do their job or breaks the agreement in their contract, they will get the consequences from those decisions. In football it doesn’t happen. But maybe not being paid for the remainder of the contract is the way forward. If you won’t fulfil your end of the contract, why should the employer have to?
If he is refusing to play for no valid reason (and not wanting to get injured is absolutely not a valid reason) it is a repudiatory breach of contract. He should not be paid for June and his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.
I reckon he’d be over the moon with that, could sign for his new club tomorrow and triple his wages a month early!
It annoys me that Lyle can pick and choose when he wants to play, or when he wants to be professional, or when he wants to respect Bowyer, the man who brought him to the club and has supported him through everything. It’s not too much to ask to fulfil your contract and play, even if it is until the end of June. 4 matches is not a lot to ask, when those 4 matches are huge for our club’s future.
I know it will never happen in football, but if someone in any other walk of life refuses to do their job or breaks the agreement in their contract, they will get the consequences from those decisions. In football it doesn’t happen. But maybe not being paid for the remainder of the contract is the way forward. If you won’t fulfil your end of the contract, why should the employer have to?
If he is refusing to play for no valid reason (and not wanting to get injured is absolutely not a valid reason) it is a repudiatory breach of contract. He should not be paid for June and his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.
I reckon he’d be over the moon with that, could sign for his new club tomorrow and triple his wages a month early!
Nobody is going to pay him a ton of money when he's a couple of months away from being able to play. He'll still have to wait a 6/8 weeks for a club to give him a deal.
Shame for everyone that he’s gonna leave on a sour note. Can’t blame him personally as I’m pretty sure we’d all do the same. It’s just a shame the way it’s planned out.
seems like he’s gonna get a prem move and good luck to him - without him we wouldn’t be where we are now that’s for sure
I can blame him personally.
He is a professional footballer under contract to play football for the club that pay his wages.
I don't blame him for wanting to leave the club, but I do blame him for not seeing out his contract.
Will we play a game before his contract expires at the end of June? 1 game maybe, 2 max.
We'll possibly fine him wages for the weeks he refuses to play and that'll be that.
If he's that disinterested, Bowyer is obviously better off planning for all games without him.
If we're playing 2 games a week and starting 20th June, I'd expect us to play at least 3 games before the end of June.
Yes true but i thought the 20th was only provisional and might move back a week?
from what I have read on here Lyle is saying that he will not play as he might get injured. Now if he was saying that he would not play as he was worried about catching Coronavirus I could understand and accept. But not to honour his contract in case he gets injured is wrong, imagine if every player approaching the end of their contract said I'm not playing in the final few matches - sorry Lyle thought that you were an honourable man - seems not.
It annoys me that Lyle can pick and choose when he wants to play, or when he wants to be professional, or when he wants to respect Bowyer, the man who brought him to the club and has supported him through everything. It’s not too much to ask to fulfil your contract and play, even if it is until the end of June. 4 matches is not a lot to ask, when those 4 matches are huge for our club’s future.
I know it will never happen in football, but if someone in any other walk of life refuses to do their job or breaks the agreement in their contract, they will get the consequences from those decisions. In football it doesn’t happen. But maybe not being paid for the remainder of the contract is the way forward. If you won’t fulfil your end of the contract, why should the employer have to?
If he is refusing to play for no valid reason (and not wanting to get injured is absolutely not a valid reason) it is a repudiatory breach of contract. He should not be paid for June and his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.
I reckon he’d be over the moon with that, could sign for his new club tomorrow and triple his wages a month early!
I've said on here before that you have to look at why a player with his undoubted talent has, at the age of 30, only played half a season outside the third tier or the mickey mouse Scottish leagues.
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Well that money could’ve gone to the business who need it instead of someone who is refusing to fulfil their contract.
Not only that, but players could get injured doing absolutely anything.
Maybe I am just going on too much, but this really winds me up.
I'd like to hear from the players themselves and their reasons for not playing before making any judgement.
Lyle will have another club contract from then I would assume hence not playing. Co-incidently whilst it leaves a sour taste right now, Lyle was part of the team that gave me a fantastic day at Wembley. I will always respect him for the way he got on with this season after Brentford move collapsed and gave his all. Lyle is good at 100%, I am sure he is great at 60/70/80% but if not fully committed as has the nagging worry then his head is not in it. Understandable but majorly disappointing for us as fans.
Solly has been a fantastic servant for the club. His knee(?) injury has caught up with him and played less and less. Matthews has been a suitable deputy. I respect Chris's decision as if he did get another injury then us, and other teams, would not offer another contract. He is probably high risk due to previous history. I don't blame him. He probably will get another chance elsewhere so why risk it, especially if he knows he isn't getting abother contract (we don't know whats been said).
For those saying about Lewis Page and Loans, Page needs to play to prove himself to other clubs if he isn't getting another contract here (who knows) and loanees have contracts at parent clubs hence injury issue not a problem.
Bowyer has done a fantastic job and will do his best with the players wanting to play for Charlton.
The transfer window is closed - he could not play for another club this season.
Definitely in breach of contract for refusing to play before June 30th. However, I doubt the threat of a week or two without pay is going to affect him if he's agreed a decent contract elsewhere.
Over the last few weeks he's done the club a massive favour with his honesty. He's also been fantastic for 80% of the 60 odd games he's played for us. Shame it ends this way but I can forgive him. We're a joke of a club and we've only got ourselves to blame for yet another quality player walking away from the club for free come 1st July.
A kick in the teeth to the fans and his own teammates.
Thank you for being mostly professional for the majority of your career, however you are now screwing the club over at a point in which it desperately needs you to play...
Not for fear of Covid, but for fear of injury.
That's not professional, that's not acceptable. It's pretty despicable behaviour in fact.
It's been a ride, and it was great to have you play for us, but since that Injury you haven't been the same and it's clear that you've feared injury may scupper a summer move since returning.
Hopefully Macauley, Andre and Josh can do what you aren't willing to even try.