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  • I quite like Quorn chicken pieces which work really well in Currys.

    Shit in PC world though
    You shit everywhere
  • Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

  • It's funny how there are now two parallel threads running

    One about veganism, the other (on the Gaucho thread) on the best ways to cook steak!
  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    Yawn
  • New fake scientific research backed by impressive sounding but ultimately baseless Royal Scientific Charter Institutes suggests yawning is symptomatic of a high plant/high meat based diet shocker.
  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/
  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    In all seriousness I think I would rather live for 70 years eating what I enjoy, than being anally retentive about what makes up my food intake from a medical perspective and consequently live until I'm 80.

    P.S. Sorry if I've missed your response to my earlier question - do you use vegan Worcester sauce or the standard Lea & Perrins that contains animals?
  • bobmunro said:

    Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    In all seriousness I think I would rather live for 70 years eating what I enjoy, than being anally retentive about what makes up my food intake from a medical perspective and consequently live until I'm 80.

    P.S. Sorry if I've missed your response to my earlier question - do you use vegan Worcester sauce or the standard Lea & Perrins that contains animals?
    Vegan Worcester Sauce Anchovy free.
  • feed the Vegans to the animals ---saves on plants,houses and ear ache

    I thought we were friends mate!
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  • Greenie said:

    rananegra said:

    Greenie said:

    It doesn't occur to Vegans that if overnight we all became Vegans then within 6 months we would all be dead, because there isn't enough space on earth to grow enough crops to feed us all. Plus all the animals would be dead anyway ....think it through yer pasty faced, no energy, pain in the arse, hard to feed tree huggers.

    Not a vegan nor will I ever be, but this isn't true. A large proportion of crops grown are for animal feed. Feed it to humans instead and there's less need for land.
    Yes it is true.
    More crops are grown to feed animals for human consumption than are grown for actual human consumption. That is a fact and it is unsustainable.

    Eventually it will have to change because humanity is eating more meat now than ever before and meat production is destroying the planet.

    These are facts and I can back it all up with evidence.

    Animals kept in appalling conditions, transported thousands of miles in terrible conditions and then barbarically slaughtered just to satisfy the human meat lust.

    Every piece of meat was once part of a living, feeling creature.

  • Is it all going round again?
    The anti veggie/vegan stuff isn't due it's next regular CL outing until November, when we get the 'Christmas Dinner' debate from those devout (Thou shalt not kill) Christians anticipating their celebrations.
  • D_F_T said:

    Greenie said:

    rananegra said:

    Greenie said:

    It doesn't occur to Vegans that if overnight we all became Vegans then within 6 months we would all be dead, because there isn't enough space on earth to grow enough crops to feed us all. Plus all the animals would be dead anyway ....think it through yer pasty faced, no energy, pain in the arse, hard to feed tree huggers.

    Not a vegan nor will I ever be, but this isn't true. A large proportion of crops grown are for animal feed. Feed it to humans instead and there's less need for land.
    Yes it is true.
    More crops are grown to feed animals for human consumption than are grown for actual human consumption. That is a fact and it is unsustainable.

    Eventually it will have to change because humanity is eating more meat now than ever before and meat production is destroying the planet.

    These are facts and I can back it all up with evidence.

    Animals kept in appalling conditions, transported thousands of miles in terrible conditions and then barbarically slaughtered just to satisfy the human meat lust.

    Every piece of meat was once part of a living, feeling creature.

    Whether you like meat or not I don't think as you say existing production is a viable long term prospect. I think the appetite for meat will gradually die out but how planned it will be is another matter?

    Environmental matters are a huge issue but it seems unlikely that politicians are ready to confront it.
  • seth plum said:

    Is it all going round again?
    The anti veggie/vegan stuff isn't due it's next regular CL outing until November, when we get the 'Christmas Dinner' debate from those devout (Thou shalt not kill) Christians anticipating their celebrations.

    Did Jesus feed the 5000 with quorn?
  • No. He went to The Valley and bought some chips.
  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    So, back to the Japanese fish diet.
    Longest life expectancy in the world.

    Notice the pattern?
  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    So, back to the Japanese fish diet.
    Longest life expectancy in the world.

    Notice the pattern?
    Please use the most up to date information.....so old hat and ill informed.
    The key to the Japanese long life is the sweet purple potato.
    Do some research.
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  • edited July 2018
    Are you saying that they only eat the purple tater?

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  • Just out of interest to any of the Vegan/Vegetarians on here, what are your views on eating mussels and oysters? i'm almost certain i know what the answer will be i'm just curious becuase my mate who is otherwise vegetarian eats them, if they have been hand farmed
  • Personally I wouldn't eat them.
  • edited July 2018
    Nor me but that’d probably be the same if I wasn’t vegan tbh. Some things just aren’t meant to pass my lips.
  • ">Have any of the vegans on here had kids? Did you start feeding them a vegan based diet from 6 months/a year old?

    Yes. But fed solids much earlier than 6 months. When she was about two and a half years old we let her eat chocolate easter eggs because it seemed cruel not to let her scoff chocolate like her little buddies. Carob easter eggs were a bit naff then. Now a healthy thirty something vegan and very successful to boot. Only a very distant Addick though, despite my artful endeavours. (Mind you she still has her Charlton Teddy bear...)

    Just out of interest to any of the Vegan/Vegetarians on here, what are your views on eating mussels and oysters? i'm almost certain i know what the answer will be i'm just curious becuase my mate who is otherwise vegetarian eats them, if they have been hand farmed

    I wouldn't eat them. If I did I couldn't call myself vegetarian.
    He's nearly there but not quite.
  • Molluscscatarian?!
  • While I've seen this thread has been bumped has anyone tried the 'no bull burgers' from Iceland. Nicest Vegan meat replacement I have had comfortably and only 2 quid for 2.

    The cheese is violife vegan cheese for anyone interested, usually vegan cheese doesn't melt properly but this stuff does and tastes pretty good as well
  • I'm looking forward to trying those 'bleeding' burgers that are coming to the UK soon, they are supposed to be very nice. Ive never particularly enjoyed beef burgers and much prefer bean burgers & Linda McCartney burgers
  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    Can you provide the link to a study that shows Vegans have a greater life expectancy?

  • Stevelamb said:

    Cholesterol is a vital component of our cells, which is why our body makes all that we need

    For most eating a conventional western diet, plaque accumulates inside the coronary arteries that feed our heart muscle. This plaque buildup, known as atherosclerosis, is the hardening of the arteries by pockets of cholesterol-rich fatty material that builds up beneath the inner linings of the blood vessels. This process seems to occur over decades, slowly bulging into the space inside the arteries, narrowing the path for blood to flow.

    The restriction of blood circulation to the heart may lead to chest pain and pressure when people try to exert themselves. If the plaque ruptures, a blood clot may form within the artery. This sudden blockage of blood flow may cause a heart attack, damaging or even killing part of the heart.

    A large body of evidence shows there were once enormous swaths of the world where the coronary heart disease epidemic seemed to be almost non-existent, such as rural China and sub-Saharan Africa. It’s not genetics: When people move from low- to high-risk areas, their disease rates appear to skyrocket as they adopt the diet and lifestyle habits of their new homes. The extraordinarily low rates of heart disease in rural China and Africa have been attributed to the extraordinarily low cholesterol levels among these populations. Though Chinese and African diets are very different, they are both centered on plant-derived foods, such as grains and vegetables. By eating so much fiber and so little animal fat, their total cholesterol levels averaged under 150 mg/dL, similar to people eating contemporary strictly plant-based diets.

    According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs.

    Notice the pattern? The three boosters of bad cholesterol—the number-one risk factor for our number-one killer—all stem from eating processed foods and animal products. This likely explains why populations living on traditional diets revolving around whole plant foods have largely remained free from the epidemic of heart disease.

    Can you provide the link to a study that shows Vegans have a greater life expectancy?

    There are many factors to life expectancy - simply being a vegan won't guarantee good health. Too much meat in your diet at the expense of vegetables and fibre is unlikely to benefit an individual but again it's about balance.
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