The claim that ethical veganism is a belief was not contested by the respondent, so hardly a surprise decision. The decision regarding the unfair dismissal claim is next week where he has to prove it was because of this 'belief' that he was dismissed.
It isn't really that significant - all it would do is protect an ethical vegan from direct or indirect discrimination in relation to his or her beliefs. It does not give the right for vegans to effectively object to, let's say for example, an employer having leather sofas in their reception! In the same way that employers do not need to provide prayer rooms and time off for daily prayers.
Moreover, today's ruling does not become law by precedent as I understand this was in an Employment Tribunal, rather than an Employment Appeals Tribunal.
If everyone has to accommodate vegans, therefore as someone who is allergic to nuts, should it not be my right that every food not containing nuts is guaranteed not to have traces of them?
Or as it’s not a belief, does that not matter?
I actually agree with him calling them out, but on first viewing but the extent of the ruling seems to open the floodgates for anyone that believes anything.
The claim that ethical veganism is a belief was not contested by the respondent, so hardly a surprise decision. The decision regarding the unfair dismissal claim is next week where he has to prove it was because of this 'belief' that he was dismissed.
It isn't really that significant - all it would do is protect an ethical vegan from direct or indirect discrimination in relation to his or her beliefs. It does not give the right for vegans to effectively object to, let's say for example, an employer having leather sofas in their reception! In the same way that employers do not need to provide prayer rooms and time off for daily prayers.
Moreover, today's ruling does not become law by precedent as I understand this was in an Employment Tribunal, rather than an Employment Appeals Tribunal.
An employment tribunal has ruled today that ethical veganism is a philosophical belief protected by law from discrimination.
The ruling is significant for the hundreds of thousands of vegans across the country as it means that employers and public sector institutions must give due regard to the needs of vegans.
Britain is a hilariously stupid country. We see these rulings and LOL at the ridiculousness of your government.
Enough of this silliness, I need to get back to normal things, like seeing who our government is assassinating today and which war we are in. I’ve lost track.
Just to nitpick for a moment, @NapaAddick, but for the time being the courts and the government are separate. I imagine Boris will do his best to change that, but this ruling does not come from the government.
Jesus H Christ this is the last bloody thing we need. As if vegans didn't have a bad enough name in the first place. Why can't we just get on with being vegans in peace without making such a bloody song and dance about it all?
It isn't really that significant - all it would do is protect an ethical vegan from direct or indirect discrimination in relation to his or her beliefs. It does not give the right for vegans to effectively object to, let's say for example, an employer having leather sofas in their reception!
Sounds quite significant when you put it like that! I’d much rather be protected from discrimination than have a say in the office furniture!
It isn't really that significant - all it would do is protect an ethical vegan from direct or indirect discrimination in relation to his or her beliefs. It does not give the right for vegans to effectively object to, let's say for example, an employer having leather sofas in their reception!
Sounds quite significant when you put it like that! I’d much rather be protected from discrimination than have a say in the office furniture!
Everyone should be (and is) protected from unfair treatment - whether or not that is a protected characteristic as defined in the Equality Act, or not.
But the way it was being covered on the radio when I was driving home last night was quite frankly ridiculous sensationalism. As an example, supermarket check-out assistants refusing to serve customers with any meat or dairy products claiming ethical veganism as a protection. Well I'm sorry, that wouldn't protect them - if they continued with that behaviour then ultimately they could be fairly dismissed.
It isn't really that significant - all it would do is protect an ethical vegan from direct or indirect discrimination in relation to his or her beliefs. It does not give the right for vegans to effectively object to, let's say for example, an employer having leather sofas in their reception!
Sounds quite significant when you put it like that! I’d much rather be protected from discrimination than have a say in the office furniture!
Everyone should be (and is) protected from unfair treatment - whether or not that is a protected characteristic as defined in the Equality Act, or not.
But the way it was being covered on the radio when I was driving home last night was quite frankly ridiculous sensationalism. As an example, supermarket check-out assistants refusing to serve customers with any meat or dairy products claiming ethical veganism as a protection. Well I'm sorry, that wouldn't protect them - if they continued with that behaviour then ultimately they could be fairly dismissed.
And it would be entirely right to dismiss them.
Beliefs, religious or otherwise should not allow you to infringe on the legal behaviour of others.
Acts such as storming meat serving restaurants etc to chant at paying customers should be illegal in my opinion.
If I ever had to go for a job in a supermarket then I would accept that I would have to, at some point, have to handle products that I myself wouldn’t consume if I wanted to get paid. At work now if I’m manning the hot plate, feeding the prisoners, I’ll serve the meat products out because that’s my job. My colleagues will ask me if I’m ok serving it and my reply is always ‘of course, I’m handing it out not eating it’. It’s just the way it is if you want to house, clothe and feed yourself. If you don’t want to compromise your beliefs in any way then read the small print when you’re going for a job.
As for the direct action of storming into steakhouses for example I wouldn’t make it illegal but I can personally never support it as a way of getting the message across as I find it counterproductive. Far better to educate through discussion than to batter someone over the head with accusative finger pointing. It’s human nature that some people will harden their stance/resistance if they’re confronted in an aggressive way about their choices. The referendum and the condescending attitude shown towards those who voted to leave by some, is a prime example.
My son had one and said it was lovely. He did say though that the guy in the shop warned him off of having chips with it because they are cooked in the same fat as the chicken.
Anyone got any good veggie or vegan recipes for food that's both filling and quick to cook. I'd like to break out of the cycle of endless veggie burgers and quorn sausages and prepare more food from scratch, but I don't have a lot of time (though I might, if I spent less time here), and have even less ideas.
Red lentil dahl, just search e.g. BBC recipes, can add what you like to it mushrooms, squash etc. - optionally coconut milk for some sweetness. Put some mash on top of your chilli, pop it in the oven - hey presto cottage pie.
Anyone got any good veggie or vegan recipes for food that's both filling and quick to cook. I'd like to break out of the cycle of endless veggie burgers and quorn sausages and prepare more food from scratch, but I don't have a lot of time (though I might, if I spent less time here), and have even less ideas.
Try The Happy Pear channel on YouTube. They do a five minute prep series (more like 30minutes when you factor in there are two of them and they’re professionals). Relatively simple recipes without using anything daft like liquid smoke or shelled hemp hearts!
Anyone got any good veggie or vegan recipes for food that's both filling and quick to cook. I'd like to break out of the cycle of endless veggie burgers and quorn sausages and prepare more food from scratch, but I don't have a lot of time (though I might, if I spent less time here), and have even less ideas.
Try Mayflower chinese curry powder. Fry up onions, a pepper, broccoli and mushrooms along with some quorn pieces. Then throw in a third of the powder, add around 400ml water, bring to boil and simmer, throw in some peas, stir and bubble for a few minutes. Then serve with boiled rice or if you have time home made chips oven cooked in frylight and it is gorgeous and low fat to boot. I make it in bulk and everyone seems to love it.
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https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/food-and-drink/greggs-launch-vegan-steak-bake-next-week-1350895
It isn't really that significant - all it would do is protect an ethical vegan from direct or indirect discrimination in relation to his or her beliefs. It does not give the right for vegans to effectively object to, let's say for example, an employer having leather sofas in their reception! In the same way that employers do not need to provide prayer rooms and time off for daily prayers.
Moreover, today's ruling does not become law by precedent as I understand this was in an Employment Tribunal, rather than an Employment Appeals Tribunal.
Or as it’s not a belief, does that not matter?
I actually agree with him calling them out, but on first viewing but the extent of the ruling seems to open the floodgates for anyone that believes anything.
Enough of this silliness, I need to get back to normal things, like seeing who our government is assassinating today and which war we are in. I’ve lost track.
Beliefs, religious or otherwise should not allow you to infringe on the legal behaviour of others.
Acts such as storming meat serving restaurants etc to chant at paying customers should be illegal in my opinion.
As for the direct action of storming into steakhouses for example I wouldn’t make it illegal but I can personally never support it as a way of getting the message across as I find it counterproductive. Far better to educate through discussion than to batter someone over the head with accusative finger pointing. It’s human nature that some people will harden their stance/resistance if they’re confronted in an aggressive way about their choices. The referendum and the condescending attitude shown towards those who voted to leave by some, is a prime example.
Put some mash on top of your chilli, pop it in the oven - hey presto cottage pie.
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