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Extension of ULEZ to South Circular

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  • The people most affected are van drivers, as all vans until recently were diesel, and a trader in Dartford or Swanley will need a Euro VI van to keep driving over the boundary.

    The petrol standards are by contrast very easy. I have a 2002 petrol Ford Focus which passes. 
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    My car isn't compliant. Good excuse not to visit the inlaws
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,965
    If anyone else doesn't want to visit their in-laws, I've got a car you can buy
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    I'm not necessarily opposed to this but the public transport infrastructure needs to improve for people to start giving up their cars. As well as better cycling lanes. 
  • EastTerrace
    EastTerrace Posts: 3,961
    If I spend £10k+ on another family car or people carrier, what would people suggest?

    More importantly has anyone an idea of Sadiq’s next plan? Ban Petrols? 
    Obviously, when we bought our car we didn’t have a clue that diesels would be targeted in such a way.
    Some of you may have known this in 2014, if so, what’s his next steps?

    I’m in a mind to get another S-Max but will he introduce something else in three years?

    A VW ID5 would be nice, but I don’t have 50k lying about.
  • If I spend £10k+ on another family car or people carrier, what would people suggest?

    More importantly has anyone an idea of Sadiq’s next plan? Ban Petrols? 
    Obviously, when we bought our car we didn’t have a clue that diesels would be targeted in such a way.
    Some of you may have known this in 2014, if so, what’s his next steps?

    I’m in a mind to get another S-Max but will he introduce something else in three years?

    A VW ID5 would be nice, but I don’t have 50k lying about.
    Don’t buy, lease. Enjoy something new, decent and fully warranted. Hand it back in 2 to 4 years time and use any surplus value to help you make whatever decision you want/need to take then, whatever Sadiq or his successor decides to do next, which could well be another big step forward sooner than expected today.
  • R0TW
    R0TW Posts: 1,673

  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,126
    This should have been reported in the papers as “Mayor of London announces he doesn’t want to be Mayor at next election”….
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,104
    If I spend £10k+ on another family car or people carrier, what would people suggest?

    More importantly has anyone an idea of Sadiq’s next plan? Ban Petrols? 
    Obviously, when we bought our car we didn’t have a clue that diesels would be targeted in such a way.
    Some of you may have known this in 2014, if so, what’s his next steps?

    I’m in a mind to get another S-Max but will he introduce something else in three years?

    A VW ID5 would be nice, but I don’t have 50k lying about.
    Don’t buy, lease. Enjoy something new, decent and fully warranted. Hand it back in 2 to 4 years time and use any surplus value to help you make whatever decision you want/need to take then, whatever Sadiq or his successor decides to do next, which could well be another big step forward sooner than expected today.
    I agree. I’ve been leasing for the last 9 years. Handed back my 69 plate Nissan X-Trail yesterday and drove out with a brand new 4WD Qashqai. Bloody gorgeous car and no cash changed hands
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    If I spend £10k+ on another family car or people carrier, what would people suggest?

    More importantly has anyone an idea of Sadiq’s next plan? Ban Petrols? 
    Obviously, when we bought our car we didn’t have a clue that diesels would be targeted in such a way.
    Some of you may have known this in 2014, if so, what’s his next steps?

    I’m in a mind to get another S-Max but will he introduce something else in three years?

    A VW ID5 would be nice, but I don’t have 50k lying about.
     Don't think anyone has.
    90% of the motors you see driving around these days have not been payed for.
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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    If I spend £10k+ on another family car or people carrier, what would people suggest?

    More importantly has anyone an idea of Sadiq’s next plan? Ban Petrols? 
    Obviously, when we bought our car we didn’t have a clue that diesels would be targeted in such a way.
    Some of you may have known this in 2014, if so, what’s his next steps?

    I’m in a mind to get another S-Max but will he introduce something else in three years?

    A VW ID5 would be nice, but I don’t have 50k lying about.
     Don't think anyone has.
    90% of the motors you see driving around these days have not been payed for.
    Crime really is out of control in London!
  • Apparently 60% opposed the expansion
    So he went ahead...
  • Weird how people cheer on a car free existence. I appreciate there are downsides but the reason so many people own cars is because they give you freedom to do the things you love (when they're not being used to commute).

    We're championing policies that will ensure our future generations have less freedom than we do/did for very little gain.
  • Weird how people cheer on a car free existence. I appreciate there are downsides but the reason so many people own cars is because they give you freedom to do the things you love (when they're not being used to commute).

    We're championing policies that will ensure our future generations have less freedom than we do/did for very little gain.
    Climate change is a bugger isn't it. If only we could roll the clock back and pretend everything is rosy.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Weird how people cheer on a car free existence. I appreciate there are downsides but the reason so many people own cars is because they give you freedom to do the things you love (when they're not being used to commute).

    We're championing policies that will ensure our future generations have less freedom than we do/did for very little gain.
    No one is ensuring future generations have ‘less freedom’, and I'm not sure anyone is planning a car free existence. 
    But future generations will hopefully have the benefit of cleaner air. Whether or not policies to reduce pollution will be enough to delay climate change remains to be seen. I think future generations will be more interested in that than driving to the shops. 
  • Excellent news.

    Only the must polluting vehicles will have to pay and the air will be cleaner for everyone.

    Look at the huge benefits we all reaped when leaded petrol was phased out.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,965
    The future, surely, is that nobody owns a car but driverless EVs will be ordered over the net through some sort of subscription or PAYG service and just take you where you want to go. Rather than having expensive cars unused for 95% of the time it'll be a way more efficient use of scarce resources. Not going to happen next week though. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Read the article. No one was lying. The science seems sound, the issue was presentational. 
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  • Weird how people cheer on a car free existence. I appreciate there are downsides but the reason so many people own cars is because they give you freedom to do the things you love (when they're not being used to commute).

    We're championing policies that will ensure our future generations have less freedom than we do/did for very little gain.
    Climate change is a bugger isn't it. If only we could roll the clock back and pretend everything is rosy.
    As if punishing people living in Bromley is the goal to fixing climate change.

    Don't worry Xi Jinping and his coal burning empire are closely watching the habits of Charlton fans to understand how to proceed next.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited February 2024
    Weird how people cheer on a car free existence. I appreciate there are downsides but the reason so many people own cars is because they give you freedom to do the things you love (when they're not being used to commute).

    We're championing policies that will ensure our future generations have less freedom than we do/did for very little gain.
    Climate change is a bugger isn't it. If only we could roll the clock back and pretend everything is rosy.
    As if punishing people living in Bromley is the goal to fixing climate change.

    Don't worry Xi Jinping and his coal burning empire are closely watching the habits of Charlton fans to understand how to proceed next.
    Very good of you to care so much about our ULEZ when you live in lovely Vancouver. 👍
    Right now your air quality index is 25 (low) and ours is rather higher, at 49. We still have work to do. 
  • London could disappear off the face of the earth tomorrow and it wouldn't make a blip on global carbon emissions.

    If people are serious they have to address the real polluters - not attack working class people in Biggin Hill.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764

  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited February 2024
    London could disappear off the face of the earth tomorrow and it wouldn't make a blip on global carbon emissions.

    If people are serious they have to address the real polluters - not attack working class people in Biggin Hill.
    But you’re ignoring the health implications of bad air. It’s not only about climate change, it’s also about people’s health. 
    And of course it’s mainly about the big polluters, but we can’t base our future energy consumption on burning coal and gas while telling other countries to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels. 
    An no one is ‘attacking working class people in Biggin Hill’. Their health matters as much as anyone else’s.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited February 2024
    If not carrying large bulky and heavy tools for work you can get a 320 bus from Biggin Hill to Catford.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    Weird obsession with Biggin Hill, a place dominated by the car
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Doesn’t the Formula One organisation have it’s headquarters at Biggin Hill airport?
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,783
    edited February 2024
    Weird how people cheer on a car free existence. I appreciate there are downsides but the reason so many people own cars is because they give you freedom to do the things you love (when they're not being used to commute).

    We're championing policies that will ensure our future generations have less freedom than we do/did for very little gain.
    You’ll never have it so good again. 
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,641
    Does anyone know if the ulez cameras will be the same ones used for project detroit?