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Extension of ULEZ to South Circular
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Or road users will simply be charged according to how much and when they use them in the same way as just about everything else food - energy - transport - cinemas - parking - housing etc.DaveMehmet said:
But by then, I would imagine most of the non-compliant cars would have been disposed of.cafc999 said:Give it a few years and the £12.50 a day charge will be £15, then £20...
Whilst it doesn't affect us as our cars are compliant, I feel sorry for those it does. A lot of those will have bought diesel cars when the government promoted them and will now be stuck with them. It will affect people on lower incomes more as they may not be able to just go out and buy a new/compliant car.
It's also nonsense to say that people don't need cars in this day and age. How many thousands use them to get to work where public transport options are either poor or non-existent?
Once electric cars are used more widely used and the taxes generated by the motorist diminishes, you can bet your bottom dollar the "environmental tax" that they like to remind us all it is will conveniently go back to being a plain old road tax.
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Improve public transport. There needs to be a culture change where the idea that public transport is a business with a primary aim of making profit rather than a public service with a primary aim of making our communities work is seen for the pernicious nonsense it is.
Certain services - power, water, transport - should not lie in the private domain. If there were decent public transport hundreds of thousands if not millions would ditch their cars with the insane expense that goes with owning one.
Oh I'm sorry, i thought this was the HOC.
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There’s one on every thread isn’t there..Major said:
I have to ask. What 'Climate crisis'? Would that be the same as the 'Covid Crisis'?jacob_CAFC said:Less buses is not the solution to the climate crisis, bizarre comment
Bunch of wankers guessing and scaring the crap out of everyone, so they'll do as they are told. Meanwhile, making gazillions for the usual suspects. Same shit different day.
Got to LOL, right?
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Transport for London (TfL) generated more than £90m last year from expanding the capital's Ultra Low Emission Zone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63331505
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With you 100% Free public transport is inevitableWheresmeticket? said:Improve public transport. There needs to be a culture change where the idea that public transport is a business with a primary aim of making profit rather than a public service with a primary aim of making our communities work is seen for the pernicious nonsense it is.
Certain services - power, water, transport - should not lie in the private domain. If there were decent public transport hundreds of thousands if not millions would ditch their cars with the insane expense that goes with owning one.
Oh I'm sorry, i thought this was the HOC.1 -
Unfortunately in real life there is no such thing as free public services. They have to be paid for.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
With you 100% Free public transport is inevitableWheresmeticket? said:Improve public transport. There needs to be a culture change where the idea that public transport is a business with a primary aim of making profit rather than a public service with a primary aim of making our communities work is seen for the pernicious nonsense it is.
Certain services - power, water, transport - should not lie in the private domain. If there were decent public transport hundreds of thousands if not millions would ditch their cars with the insane expense that goes with owning one.
Oh I'm sorry, i thought this was the HOC.0 -
Crusty54 said:
Unfortunately in real life there is no such thing as free public services. They have to be paid for.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
With you 100% Free public transport is inevitableWheresmeticket? said:Improve public transport. There needs to be a culture change where the idea that public transport is a business with a primary aim of making profit rather than a public service with a primary aim of making our communities work is seen for the pernicious nonsense it is.
Certain services - power, water, transport - should not lie in the private domain. If there were decent public transport hundreds of thousands if not millions would ditch their cars with the insane expense that goes with owning one.
Oh I'm sorry, i thought this was the HOC.
I'm assuming that he means free at the point of use.0 -
I'm assuming that he means free at the point of use.
I'm assuming he means it ultimately has to be paid for by someoneCrusty54 said:
Unfortunately in real life there is no such thing as free public services. They have to be paid for.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
With you 100% Free public transport is inevitableWheresmeticket? said:Improve public transport. There needs to be a culture change where the idea that public transport is a business with a primary aim of making profit rather than a public service with a primary aim of making our communities work is seen for the pernicious nonsense it is.
Certain services - power, water, transport - should not lie in the private domain. If there were decent public transport hundreds of thousands if not millions would ditch their cars with the insane expense that goes with owning one.
Oh I'm sorry, i thought this was the HOC.
I'm assuming that he means free at the point of use.0 -
I suspect free transport has the potential to indirectly pay for itself because it encourages people to routinely use it. The UK is a big retail and services economy. Get people out and about and it generates more jobs and taxes and the infrastructure put in around that draws in more visitors to these shores.Gribbo said:I'm assuming that he means free at the point of use.
I'm assuming he means it ultimately has to be paid for by someoneCrusty54 said:
Unfortunately in real life there is no such thing as free public services. They have to be paid for.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
With you 100% Free public transport is inevitableWheresmeticket? said:Improve public transport. There needs to be a culture change where the idea that public transport is a business with a primary aim of making profit rather than a public service with a primary aim of making our communities work is seen for the pernicious nonsense it is.
Certain services - power, water, transport - should not lie in the private domain. If there were decent public transport hundreds of thousands if not millions would ditch their cars with the insane expense that goes with owning one.
Oh I'm sorry, i thought this was the HOC.
I'm assuming that he means free at the point of use.6 -
Good.clive said:Transport for London (TfL) generated more than £90m last year from expanding the capital's Ultra Low Emission Zone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-633315055 - Sponsored links:
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Spain is doing free local and middle-distance train journeys until the end of the year. Germany did €9 a month for the trains. It can be done with the political will.9
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London's Ultra Low Emissions Zone (ULEZ) for vehicles is to be expanded to cover all of London, the mayor has announced.
From 29 August, drivers of the most polluting cars will have to pay £12.50 a day to enter to the Greater London Authority boundary.
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If the Greater London Authority boundary map on their website there are houses at the top of Station Road, Crayford where the houses are in Kent, but the road in front of their houses is in London - bet they are chuffed to bits with this
This means no more dog walks at Hall Place for us, as our Land Rover isn’t compliant0 -
TFL already had this issue with the Congestion zone, i.e. road's outside the zone where the only exit is into the zone. Eventually they just incorporated all those roads into the zone so the residents could access the cheaper rate. I imagine it will be exactly the same for ULEZ, except it shouldn't take so long to rectify this time around0
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So much for the Bexley / Bromley protests then.1
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But those were roads already in GLA boundary - they can’t put ULEZ in Kent, as it’s not within their remit / controlrandy andy said:TFL already had this issue with the Congestion zone, i.e. road's outside the zone where the only exit is into the zone. Eventually they just incorporated all those roads into the zone so the residents could access the cheaper rate. I imagine it will be exactly the same for ULEZ, except it shouldn't take so long to rectify this time around2 -
Khan doing his best not to get re-elected!
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He's been doing it for years.valleynick66 said:Khan doing his best not to get re-elected!1 -
Kerching!0
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This is more controversial as it creates an artificial boundary between London and the Home Counties, and people in say Dartford and Swanley won't benefit from any scrappage scheme.0
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We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
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First as regular readers of my thoughts on motoring will know, I am against the concept of the ULEZ. London should have done what Berlin did and ban polluting vehicles outright. Taking money but allowing the pollution to continue is just hypocritical money-grabbing.meldrew66 said:We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.
Nonetheless, the proposal for this expansion was put out to consultation (sic) back in 2017 and the Mayor confirmed it would be happening in Summer 2018. Nobody expecting to drive in London should have bought a non-compliant Nissan four years ago. Especially as Nissan are one of the worst and slowest manufacturers of basic vehicles to get them up to modern acceptable standards (I refer you to the Nissan Navarra that used to, literally, break in half.)
As you will see from this article https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/23/nissan-refuses-government-request-on-qashqai-emissions the Government asked Nissan to provide owners with retrofit upgrades back in 2019 which would have solved your problem. Indeed, The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency discovered that the Sunderland-made diesel Qashqai model emits 17 times more nitrogen oxides (NOx) than EU limits allow.
You are, rightly, not happy, but you might be best placed directing your ire at your vehicle manufacturer and perhaps see if you can get into one of the numerous class actions seeking compensation from said manufacturer.5 -
Probably an obvious question but have you done the checker on the ULEZ website? We have 65 plate skoda diesel which is compliant for the ULEZmeldrew66 said:We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.0 -
This only applies to diesel cars older than 2015.2
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Lower duty for diesel (and therefore govt preference) ended more than 4 years ago.meldrew66 said:We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.2 -
Are there any of the boroughs that cross the m25 and if so how does that work?0
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Havering crosses the M25.Hartleypete said:Are there any of the boroughs that cross the m25 and if so how does that work?0 -
They don't have to. They just arrange to charge those residents as if they were on the ULEZ rather than external residents travelling into the zoneLordflashheart said:
But those were roads already in GLA boundary - they can’t put ULEZ in Kent, as it’s not within their remit / controlrandy andy said:TFL already had this issue with the Congestion zone, i.e. road's outside the zone where the only exit is into the zone. Eventually they just incorporated all those roads into the zone so the residents could access the cheaper rate. I imagine it will be exactly the same for ULEZ, except it shouldn't take so long to rectify this time around0 -
Yes, I have. It’s non-compliant sadly.cafcbrown said:
Probably an obvious question but have you done the checker on the ULEZ website? We have 65 plate skoda diesel which is compliant for the ULEZmeldrew66 said:We bought a Diesel Qashqai 4 years ago because the government said we should which is still a fab car, really reliable and exactly what we need and love but thanks to that prick, I’m now going to have to find £10k in the next 7 months to buy an equivalent car that does the same bloody thing and try to flog mine somehow for peanuts. Not happy.0 -
I have a 64 plate diesel Mercedes. I checked last year when the ULEZ came in & its compliant.SoundAsa£ said:This only applies to diesel cars older than 2015.0
