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  • He is much better than many give him credit for.
  • He is much better than many give him credit for.
    At what? Serious question. What exactly is it that he does well on a regular basis? 
  • Morgan played a great ball in the first half, but he probably plays three or four not so great ones before a good one. He had a couple of tame efforts at goal, and passed on one, summing up his lack of goal scoring/shooting ability. He put in a shift but wasn't as dominant as you would want from him. He rarely wins a 50:50 tackle. These are the issues we have seen over a prolonged period of time. He has to sort them all out.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
    Morgan's dad hasn't just died, nor has he moved half the length of the country.  Kirk has played a handful of games for us.

    Albie has played nearly 100 games for us and hasn't improved since his 1st one.  I would hardly say that's ripping the shit out of him.  Especially compared to some of the abuse other players get. 
    He has improved some aspects. Just not enough. His workrate for example is much better.
    He may have improved aspects but is he more effective? 
  • edited November 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
    Morgan's dad hasn't just died, nor has he moved half the length of the country.  Kirk has played a handful of games for us.

    Albie has played nearly 100 games for us and hasn't improved since his 1st one.  I would hardly say that's ripping the shit out of him.  Especially compared to some of the abuse other players get. 
    He has improved some aspects. Just not enough. His workrate for example is much better.
    He may have improved aspects but is he more effective? 
    That is a different question and I think he has been on average about the same.

    He has games where his workrate has been a benefit and others where it results him being out of position or arriving late into the areas you expect an attacking midfielder.

    If anything I'd say he tries to do a bit more than he really should. He needs to know where a CAM should be playing throughout different scenarios. In attack, in defence, when to pull players out of position, how deep to drop when required etc.
  • With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?

    He certainly draws attention and opinion.
  • With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?

    He certainly draws attention and opinion.
    I must admit I’m surprised he’s generated this much conversation.  I guess frustration that he hasn’t kicked on as he was a promising youth product maybe?  

    I really thought he would come good this season, but I think if we can either sell or loan him in Jan it would be beneficial as it will free up another space in the squad.  
  • thenewbie said:
    He is much better than many give him credit for.
    At what? Serious question. What exactly is it that he does well on a regular basis? 
    Passing.
  • cabbles said:
    With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?

    He certainly draws attention and opinion.
    I must admit I’m surprised he’s generated this much conversation.  I guess frustration that he hasn’t kicked on as he was a promising youth product maybe?  

    I really thought he would come good this season, but I think if we can either sell or loan him in Jan it would be beneficial as it will free up another space in the squad.  
    It doesn't matter, from our point of view if we don't unload him in January because he doesn't take up a squad place due to his age. 

    But next season he does and we already have JFC, Gilbey, Clare and Dobson contracted.  He needs to do a lot in the next 6 months to get a new deal. 
  • I don't think he's ever going to be a CAM.  He may just make it as inside right, but his goal and assists stats will have to jump hugely.

    I can see him playing a Cullen role.  Play a bit deeper, stay central, keep it simple, his energy is excellent at recovering, go into offensive space in the right phases, and making sure you don't plant or fall over like Watson when you're 1v2.  He can play a pass, and by being that bit deeper if he can break play the passes are more obvious, easier and defined - not the worldy/inch perfect that Shinnie could do in the final third, and ge can't.

    But I'm not sure he has the football brain of Cullen.  Also Cullen had Bielik and Pratley as super reliable foils to cover him or pass to him.  So I suppose where I see his strengths, may not be practical for JJ and could turn into a disaster if Albie's confidence is shot.  A loan to somewhere like Colchester could be crucial for him:  Conference is wrong now, he has to prove himself in L2 football.

    I like Albie's assets, but he's only going to play higher up if he develops a centrally deeper lying conservative game.  Could see Dobson and Morgan sitting deep, with 3 of our attacking midfielders freer in front.  Another issue here is that atm, for most matches we should play Stockley and Washington together if fit:  That means no starting role for Morgan as he is not a cm in a flat 4, nor offensively effective at rm in a flat 4:  I think he can work 4231 but that isn't best for us atm.
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  • wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it. 

    Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
    Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own". 

    Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.  
  • wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it. 

    Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
    Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own". 

    Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.  
    valid point you made, maybe the Lol's were for him taking up a space as he is u23 so effectively he isn't? just a guess
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?

    He certainly draws attention and opinion.
    I must admit I’m surprised he’s generated this much conversation.  I guess frustration that he hasn’t kicked on as he was a promising youth product maybe?  

    I really thought he would come good this season, but I think if we can either sell or loan him in Jan it would be beneficial as it will free up another space in the squad.  
    It doesn't matter, from our point of view if we don't unload him in January because he doesn't take up a squad place due to his age. 

    But next season he does and we already have JFC, Gilbey, Clare and Dobson contracted.  He needs to do a lot in the next 6 months to get a new deal. 
    aah I see.  Agree re; getting a new deal.  I would also like to see us be a bit more ruthless in clearing players out in the summer.  If he doesn't improve, then we would be silly to keep him on.  In a similar vein, if Inniss can't function physically, as much as he has looked okay in his fleeting appearances, we can't be offering new deals.  I hope that's the one thing TS and the set up learnt off the back of this summer.  

  • redman said:
    Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour. 
    It's a fair comment but, how many other players 21 or under have played 80 odd games at first team level and shown absolutely no signs they are going to improve?
    At this point the number of games he has played is the more important factor than his age.
  • edited November 2021
    Tuesday really was an opportunity to take hold of the game especially as the 'senior' player in that side.
    He did a few nice passes and some good challenges but overall his performance was average to poor.
    It seems he needs a good player alongside him in midfield otherwise you barely get anything good out of him. Forster casky did get more out of Morgan. Him playing with Henry (who was awful) you get performance like that. 

    The other worry is that outside our first team the squad don't look all that. no one played well on Tuesday. 
  • wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it. 

    Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
    Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own". 

    Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.  
    valid point you made, maybe the Lol's were for him taking up a space as he is u23 so effectively he isn't? just a guess
    Haha my mistake in that case as thought it was u21s! Thanks for pointing it out. 
  • wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it. 

    Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
    Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own". 

    Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.  
    valid point you made, maybe the Lol's were for him taking up a space as he is u23 so effectively he isn't? just a guess
    Haha my mistake in that case as thought it was u21s! Thanks for pointing it out. 
    It is U21 but it’s their age on 1st January 2021 that counts. Morgan was still 20 then so counts as an U21 player, whereas although like Morgan, Davison and Dempsey were 21 at the start of the season, they both turn 22 in 2021. 
  • Tuesday really was an opportunity to take hold of the game especially as the 'senior' player in that side.
    He did a few nice passes and some good challenges but overall his performance was average to poor.
    It seems he needs a good player alongside him in midfield otherwise you barely get anything good out of him. Forster casky did get more out of Morgan. Him playing with Henry (who was awful) you get performance like that. 

    The other worry is that outside our first team the squad don't look all that. no one played well on Tuesday. 
    But then to an extent that applies to every player. Very few players are good enough to be a one man team, dragging mediocre teammates up with them

    I've seen people on here excusing Dobson's early performances this season, because he was playing with Morgan and Clare, rather than Gilbey and Lee. Well if that's the case, Morgan had Dempsey and Henry alongside him, which is an even lower level of teammate. 
  • Dobson made some mistakes, but personally I thought he was a good signing and could see the player we are seeing now. And I have been pretty much saying this from day one.
  • If I were Morgan I’d go into Sparrows lane and train on my own tomorrow.  I know Jackson’s given them the day off, but little statements of intent can never hurt 
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  • Morgan did enough last night last night in the 20 minutes he had. Needs to start. 
  • edited January 2022
    Morgan did enough last night last night in the 20 minutes he had. Needs to start. 
    Think this is part of the problem. A player is questionable game after game, gets dropped and brought back, has a decent 20 minutes and all of a sudden the team should be restructured to accommodate them again.

    Can understand promoting some competition for places, but keep bringing back the same players who don't deliver is surely part of the problem, isn't it? 
  • Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.

    Dobson - Watson - Morgan 
  • Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.

    Dobson - Watson - Morgan 
    Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.
  • Gribbo said:
    Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.

    Dobson - Watson - Morgan 
    Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.
    well stirred my friend. 

    bloke needs moving out soon as. Him and Gunter should of retired years back but a pay check keeps them going. 
  • edited January 2022
    Morgan did enough last night last night in the 20 minutes he had. Needs to start. 
    I don't think he gets the start, but could be getting at least 20-30 when Lee or Gilbey tires. 
  • Gribbo said:
    Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.

    Dobson - Watson - Morgan 
    Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.
    well stirred my friend. 

    bloke needs moving out soon as. Him and Gunter should of retired years back but a pay check keeps them going. 
    Didn't he activate his contract extension n all? Quit frustrating all in all 
  • Gribbo said:
    Gribbo said:
    Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.

    Dobson - Watson - Morgan 
    Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.
    well stirred my friend. 

    bloke needs moving out soon as. Him and Gunter should of retired years back but a pay check keeps them going. 
    Didn't he activate his contract extension n all? Quit frustrating all in all 
    bad bit of business apart for him. He would be playing in my sunday league team and even then i reckon he would be a middling player. 
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