Showed Gilbey and Lee up today based on their recent performance - Albie still needs to show a lot of consistency. But still feel that both Alex and Elliot get away with murder compared with Albie, simply because the latter cant be given any special treatment because he came through the Academy.
Dont get me wrong, there were moments from Morgan which werent good enough (that moment at CDM where he almost let them through on half way, was horrendous) - But still feel his display today was better than anything we've seen from half our midfield (this calendar year).
We can talk about finding a Midfielder that'll create chances, but to do that, we also need other players to actually try and move, and pull the opposition around - Too often our forward players give us a decent rendition of musical statutes.
Ball gets brought forward, we look for an option - Everyone hides so ball goes backwards
Praising mediocrity.
'Moments from Morgan which weren't good enough' - I.e. The first 3 months of the season and several moments during this game.
Perhaps focus on the players who couldnt be bothered today?
As I've said, once again, the focus turns to Albie Morgan rather than anyone else in the team who wasnt good enough today - Its almost as though he's an Academy player, he cant receive ANY positive comments after a performance.
it’s mental. People have made their mind up and nothing will change that.
I just find it a little frustrating and apologies to anyone if that does occasionally boil over - e.g. Today not one of the Lee or Gilbey threads have been resurrected, yet with Albie its straight to talking about how he isnt good enough for L1
Showed Gilbey and Lee up today based on their recent performance - Albie still needs to show a lot of consistency. But still feel that both Alex and Elliot get away with murder compared with Albie, simply because the latter cant be given any special treatment because he came through the Academy.
Dont get me wrong, there were moments from Morgan which werent good enough (that moment at CDM where he almost let them through on half way, was horrendous) - But still feel his display today was better than anything we've seen from half our midfield (this calendar year).
We can talk about finding a Midfielder that'll create chances, but to do that, we also need other players to actually try and move, and pull the opposition around - Too often our forward players give us a decent rendition of musical statutes.
Ball gets brought forward, we look for an option - Everyone hides so ball goes backwards
Praising mediocrity.
'Moments from Morgan which weren't good enough' - I.e. The first 3 months of the season and several moments during this game.
Perhaps focus on the players who couldnt be bothered today?
As I've said, once again, the focus turns to Albie Morgan rather than anyone else in the team who wasnt good enough today - Its almost as though he's an Academy player, he cant receive ANY positive comments after a performance.
it’s mental. People have made their mind up and nothing will change that.
I just find it a little frustrating and apologies to anyone if that does occasionally boil over - e.g. Today not one of the Lee or Gilbey threads have been resurrected, yet with Albie its straight to talking about how he isnt good enough for L1
Showed Gilbey and Lee up today based on their recent performance - Albie still needs to show a lot of consistency. But still feel that both Alex and Elliot get away with murder compared with Albie, simply because the latter cant be given any special treatment because he came through the Academy.
Dont get me wrong, there were moments from Morgan which werent good enough (that moment at CDM where he almost let them through on half way, was horrendous) - But still feel his display today was better than anything we've seen from half our midfield (this calendar year).
We can talk about finding a Midfielder that'll create chances, but to do that, we also need other players to actually try and move, and pull the opposition around - Too often our forward players give us a decent rendition of musical statutes.
Ball gets brought forward, we look for an option - Everyone hides so ball goes backwards
Praising mediocrity.
'Moments from Morgan which weren't good enough' - I.e. The first 3 months of the season and several moments during this game.
Perhaps focus on the players who couldnt be bothered today?
As I've said, once again, the focus turns to Albie Morgan rather than anyone else in the team who wasnt good enough today - Its almost as though he's an Academy player, he cant receive ANY positive comments after a performance.
Have a look at the post-match comments, how many posts are exclusively about Morgan?
Yet again claiming an agenda when there is none. He's a bad player in a sea of bad players.
Yet only Albie gets his own separate thread to constantly talk about his faults - As I've said myself, he doesnt show enough consistency to be worthy of a permanent place within the team - But then the likes of you cant even give credit, where credit is due after a performance like today.
Dont worry am sure you'll just continue to lol! my posts
Showed Gilbey and Lee up today based on their recent performance - Albie still needs to show a lot of consistency. But still feel that both Alex and Elliot get away with murder compared with Albie, simply because the latter cant be given any special treatment because he came through the Academy.
Dont get me wrong, there were moments from Morgan which werent good enough (that moment at CDM where he almost let them through on half way, was horrendous) - But still feel his display today was better than anything we've seen from half our midfield (this calendar year).
We can talk about finding a Midfielder that'll create chances, but to do that, we also need other players to actually try and move, and pull the opposition around - Too often our forward players give us a decent rendition of musical statutes.
Ball gets brought forward, we look for an option - Everyone hides so ball goes backwards
Praising mediocrity.
'Moments from Morgan which weren't good enough' - I.e. The first 3 months of the season and several moments during this game.
Perhaps focus on the players who couldnt be bothered today?
As I've said, once again, the focus turns to Albie Morgan rather than anyone else in the team who wasnt good enough today - Its almost as though he's an Academy player, he cant receive ANY positive comments after a performance.
it’s mental. People have made their mind up and nothing will change that.
I just find it a little frustrating and apologies to anyone if that does occasionally boil over - e.g. Today not one of the Lee or Gilbey threads have been resurrected, yet with Albie its straight to talking about how he isnt good enough for L1
The post that resurrected it:
"Morgan played well today in a poor team."
Almost instantly hijacked by yourself:
If that is a 'good performance' I would love to see what a bad one is.
Showed some effort but is a League Two footballer.
Showed Gilbey and Lee up today based on their recent performance - Albie still needs to show a lot of consistency. But still feel that both Alex and Elliot get away with murder compared with Albie, simply because the latter cant be given any special treatment because he came through the Academy.
Dont get me wrong, there were moments from Morgan which werent good enough (that moment at CDM where he almost let them through on half way, was horrendous) - But still feel his display today was better than anything we've seen from half our midfield (this calendar year).
We can talk about finding a Midfielder that'll create chances, but to do that, we also need other players to actually try and move, and pull the opposition around - Too often our forward players give us a decent rendition of musical statutes.
Ball gets brought forward, we look for an option - Everyone hides so ball goes backwards
Praising mediocrity.
'Moments from Morgan which weren't good enough' - I.e. The first 3 months of the season and several moments during this game.
Perhaps focus on the players who couldnt be bothered today?
As I've said, once again, the focus turns to Albie Morgan rather than anyone else in the team who wasnt good enough today - Its almost as though he's an Academy player, he cant receive ANY positive comments after a performance.
Have a look at the post-match comments, how many posts are exclusively about Morgan?
Yet again claiming an agenda when there is none. He's a bad player in a sea of bad players.
Yet only Albie gets his own separate thread to constantly talk about his faults - As I've said myself, he doesnt show enough consistency to be worthy of a permanent place within the team - But then the likes of you cant even give credit, where credit is due after a performance like today.
Dont worry am sure you'll just continue to lol! my posts
It was bumped because someone played well. It wouldn't have been bumped otherwise.
He's been given tonnes of 7s on the player marks even though no one deserves over a 6 for that performance. He gets overrated.
'Performances like today' = One of the worst Charlton performances I've ever seen, where Morgan running about a bit but creating nothing is worth shouting about according to you. We had zero control over the midfield and he is supposed to be a major part of that.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Showed Gilbey and Lee up today based on their recent performance - Albie still needs to show a lot of consistency. But still feel that both Alex and Elliot get away with murder compared with Albie, simply because the latter cant be given any special treatment because he came through the Academy.
Dont get me wrong, there were moments from Morgan which werent good enough (that moment at CDM where he almost let them through on half way, was horrendous) - But still feel his display today was better than anything we've seen from half our midfield (this calendar year).
We can talk about finding a Midfielder that'll create chances, but to do that, we also need other players to actually try and move, and pull the opposition around - Too often our forward players give us a decent rendition of musical statutes.
Ball gets brought forward, we look for an option - Everyone hides so ball goes backwards
Praising mediocrity.
'Moments from Morgan which weren't good enough' - I.e. The first 3 months of the season and several moments during this game.
Perhaps focus on the players who couldnt be bothered today?
As I've said, once again, the focus turns to Albie Morgan rather than anyone else in the team who wasnt good enough today - Its almost as though he's an Academy player, he cant receive ANY positive comments after a performance.
Have a look at the post-match comments, how many posts are exclusively about Morgan?
Yet again claiming an agenda when there is none. He's a bad player in a sea of bad players.
Yet only Albie gets his own separate thread to constantly talk about his faults - As I've said myself, he doesnt show enough consistency to be worthy of a permanent place within the team - But then the likes of you cant even give credit, where credit is due after a performance like today.
Dont worry am sure you'll just continue to lol! my posts
It was bumped because someone played well. It wouldn't have been bumped otherwise.
He's been given tonnes of 7s on the player marks even though no one deserves over a 6 for that performance. He gets overrated.
'Performances like today' = One of the worst Charlton performances I've ever seen, where Morgan running about a bit but creating nothing is worth shouting about according to you. We had zero control over the midfield and he is supposed to be a major part of that.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Trouble with Albie is the fact that we cant even be sure if he'll put in this performance again next week - If he showed today on a consistent basis then I would keep him as a squad player.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Trouble with Albie is the fact that we cant even be sure if he'll put in this performance again next week - If he showed today on a consistent basis then I would keep him as a squad player.
I agree, but if he's not given that opportunity, how will we ever know. Let him earn his next chance each week, like every other play should.
Earn each game as it comes based on training and game situations, not just one or the other.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Trouble with Albie is the fact that we cant even be sure if he'll put in this performance again next week - If he showed today on a consistent basis then I would keep him as a squad player.
I agree, but if he's not given that opportunity, how will we ever know. Let him earn his next chance each week, like every other play should.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Trouble with Albie is the fact that we cant even be sure if he'll put in this performance again next week - If he showed today on a consistent basis then I would keep him as a squad player.
I agree, but if he's not given that opportunity, how will we ever know. Let him earn his next chance each week, like every other play should.
Did you miss the first few months of the season?
No I also agreed with him being dropped then, but I also recognise that he's still young and developing. I repeat he is no worse than his peers AT THIS TIME.
Also he's playing for Jackson now so hopefully will be developing more to how Jacko wants him and not how Adkins tried to mould him.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Trouble with Albie is the fact that we cant even be sure if he'll put in this performance again next week - If he showed today on a consistent basis then I would keep him as a squad player.
I agree, but if he's not given that opportunity, how will we ever know. Let him earn his next chance each week, like every other play should.
If he's out the squad next week then it is a bit silly - How is he supposed to build any momentum or confidence if he's in and out of the squad at a whim.
That approach slightly reminds me of Karlan Grant's development, would get the odd 10min cameo and was written off because he didnt have any time to do anything - When he finally got the opportunity he flourished.
Job of a Striker is simplified like a Goalkeeper where targets are easy - For a midfielder like Albie its harder, if players don't show for the ball then its almost impossible to create for them.
I’m not his biggest fan and had streaming issues first half but from what I saw of him second period he deserved credit where credit is due today.
My thoughts entirely and if he played like that every game he may not have been dropped for months. But I still feel we need better to get out of this division. Well done for today though Albie.
Agreed, one swallow doesn’t make a summer. He needs to produce that level of performance week in week out if given another run in the team, otherwise it’s time for him to move on. In that regard if he was being scouted today he won’t have done his chances any harm.
At least that performance imo. Something Lee has gotten away with for weeks. Gilbey too.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Trouble with Albie is the fact that we cant even be sure if he'll put in this performance again next week - If he showed today on a consistent basis then I would keep him as a squad player.
True but Lee has been garbage for weeks and Gilbey, despite the manifest effort , neither scores nor creates anything.
86 appearance Morgan hasn't been given enough opportunities. Heard it all now.
How many starts and consecutive ones in one position though . He’s had chances and not taken them, that’s undeniable , but I still think there’s a player in there.
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
But we want to be above this level no?
Currently he is a League Two level player because of his lack of disclipine and intelligence when on the pitch. We shouldn't be wanting to give him opportunities when we want to be higher up the division and challenging for promotion.
Give him a loan out and get a player in that shows more promise than a Lower League One ceiling.
86 appearance Morgan hasn't been given enough opportunities. Heard it all now.
How many starts and consecutive ones in one position though . He’s had chances and not taken them, that’s undeniable , but I still think there’s a player in there.
Going by the stats in TransferMarkt - Impossible to tell if those starts were in the same position
2021-22: He's started all eight games that he's played, run of starting in six matches 2020-21: Started 14-games | Subbed on in 14-games, run of starting in four matches 2019-20: Started 11-games | Subbed on in 10-games; run of starting in three matches 2018-19: Stated 6-games | Subbed on in 2-games; run of starting in three matches
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
But we want to be above this level no?
Currently he is a League Two level player because of his lack of disclipine and intelligence when on the pitch. We shouldn't be wanting to give him opportunities when we want to be higher up the division and challenging for promotion.
Give him a loan out and get a player in that shows more promise than a Lower League One ceiling.
Well he was a regular in our promotion winning sides end of season run in this league. Played 20 odd games in the Championship too, where he looked a bit behind the pace.
Personally I think he will find his progression occurs at another club, just needs to improve that intelligence which is admittedly a big ask.
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
But we want to be above this level no?
Currently he is a League Two level player because of his lack of disclipine and intelligence when on the pitch. We shouldn't be wanting to give him opportunities when we want to be higher up the division and challenging for promotion.
Give him a loan out and get a player in that shows more promise than a Lower League One ceiling.
Well he was a regular in our promotion winning sides end of season run in this league. Played 20 odd games in the Championship too.
Personally I think he will find his progression occurs at another club.
Be curious to see how he does if he drops to League Two on a permanent deal
Neither Lapslie or Wiredu overly impressed when given opportunities with the First Team (Although their chances were even more fleeting than Albie's), yet since they've left, there have been questions as to why they were let go.
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
But we want to be above this level no?
Currently he is a League Two level player because of his lack of disclipine and intelligence when on the pitch. We shouldn't be wanting to give him opportunities when we want to be higher up the division and challenging for promotion.
Give him a loan out and get a player in that shows more promise than a Lower League One ceiling.
Well he was a regular in our promotion winning sides end of season run in this league. Played 20 odd games in the Championship too.
Personally I think he will find his progression occurs at another club.
Be curious to see how he does if he drops to League Two on a permanent deal
Neither Lapslie or Wiredu overly impressed when given opportunities with the First Team (Although their chances were even more fleeting than Albie's), yet since they've left, there have been questions as to why they were let go.
Both left because the club preferred to keep Morgan on. Do you think he's better than either?
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
But we want to be above this level no?
Currently he is a League Two level player because of his lack of disclipine and intelligence when on the pitch. We shouldn't be wanting to give him opportunities when we want to be higher up the division and challenging for promotion.
Give him a loan out and get a player in that shows more promise than a Lower League One ceiling.
Well he was a regular in our promotion winning sides end of season run in this league. Played 20 odd games in the Championship too.
Personally I think he will find his progression occurs at another club.
Be curious to see how he does if he drops to League Two on a permanent deal
Neither Lapslie or Wiredu overly impressed when given opportunities with the First Team (Although their chances were even more fleeting than Albie's), yet since they've left, there have been questions as to why they were let go.
Both left because the club preferred to keep Morgan on. Do you think he's better than either?
Difficult to tell because both are in League Two
Are they playing at their ceiling level now, or do they have potential to push on after a set back like what we've seen from Joe Pigott - Lapslie certainly hasn't shown the sort of stats that he showed last season with Mansfield, so its sadly looking like the correct decision to let him move on.
Its for the reason he's in League Two (and in a relegation fight) that makes me question why Brendan Wiredu would remotely be the answer to any of our problems at the moment either.
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Dont worry am sure you'll just continue to lol! my posts
Almost instantly hijacked by yourself:
If that is a 'good performance' I would love to see what a bad one is.
Showed some effort but is a League Two footballer.
He's been given tonnes of 7s on the player marks even though no one deserves over a 6 for that performance. He gets overrated.
'Performances like today' = One of the worst Charlton performances I've ever seen, where Morgan running about a bit but creating nothing is worth shouting about according to you. We had zero control over the midfield and he is supposed to be a major part of that.
But I still feel we need better to get out of this division.
Well done for today though Albie.
It might be fairer to say he was one of the least bad.
I think Albie should be a bare minimum 20-30 mins a game substitute as his peers aren't any better at the moment and seem to burn out with at least 30 mins to play.
Earn each game as it comes based on training and game situations, not just one or the other.
Also he's playing for Jackson now so hopefully will be developing more to how Jacko wants him and not how Adkins tried to mould him.
That approach slightly reminds me of Karlan Grant's development, would get the odd 10min cameo and was written off because he didnt have any time to do anything - When he finally got the opportunity he flourished.
Job of a Striker is simplified like a Goalkeeper where targets are easy - For a midfielder like Albie its harder, if players don't show for the ball then its almost impossible to create for them.
He's probably had 30 good performances in there and maybe 30 bad performances. The remaining almost 30 he's been about the level a 20/21/22 year old is expected to be when their ceiling is probably this level.
Currently he is a League Two level player because of his lack of disclipine and intelligence when on the pitch. We shouldn't be wanting to give him opportunities when we want to be higher up the division and challenging for promotion.
Give him a loan out and get a player in that shows more promise than a Lower League One ceiling.
2021-22: He's started all eight games that he's played, run of starting in six matches
2020-21: Started 14-games | Subbed on in 14-games, run of starting in four matches
2019-20: Started 11-games | Subbed on in 10-games; run of starting in three matches
2018-19: Stated 6-games | Subbed on in 2-games; run of starting in three matches
Personally I think he will find his progression occurs at another club, just needs to improve that intelligence which is admittedly a big ask.
Neither Lapslie or Wiredu overly impressed when given opportunities with the First Team (Although their chances were even more fleeting than Albie's), yet since they've left, there have been questions as to why they were let go.
Are they playing at their ceiling level now, or do they have potential to push on after a set back like what we've seen from Joe Pigott - Lapslie certainly hasn't shown the sort of stats that he showed last season with Mansfield, so its sadly looking like the correct decision to let him move on.
Its for the reason he's in League Two (and in a relegation fight) that makes me question why Brendan Wiredu would remotely be the answer to any of our problems at the moment either.
For what it's worth I wouldn't have any of them back though.