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Albie Morgan - diagnosed with type 1 diabetes (p63)
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Amount of junk at Charlton over recent years , no wonder we’re still sloshing about in the third tier .
We need more players capable of putting it in regularly in the league above if we want to get out and stay out of this shitehole .Unfortunately he doesn’t have what it takes for now and for the good of himself and ours a fresh start somewhere may help him kick on3 -
The way it’s going he’s likely to be released in the summer. He might be lucky enough to find a FL club but he’d have to fight for his place. It shouldn’t come as a shock to him if he ends up in non-league. Williams ended up in L2 and Solly in the 6th tier, he could easily end up at the same level as the latter.
A fresh start outside his Charlton comfort zone may be exactly what he needs. It’ll be interesting to see how he does elsewhere if he does move on.3 -
Hasn’t he got another year left on his contract?Scoham said:The way it’s going he’s likely to be released in the summer. He might be lucky enough to find a FL club but he’d have to fight for his place. It shouldn’t come as a shock to him if he ends up in non-league. Williams ended up in L2 and Solly in the 6th tier, he could easily end up at the same level as the latter.
A fresh start outside his Charlton comfort zone may be exactly what he needs. It’ll be interesting to see how he does elsewhere if he does move on.0 -
As much as we dislike agents in the modern game, it sounds like he might have a pretty poorly connected or non-existent one?
As has been mentioned, say if Pratley had given the Manager a nudge to look at getting Morgan in on loan. The Managet would have made an assessment from yesterday's game.
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He has yes but he'll be 22 at the start of next season so will take up a squad place. If we don't see a future for him, we'd have to move him on.Todds_right_hook said:
Hasn’t he got another year left on his contract?Scoham said:The way it’s going he’s likely to be released in the summer. He might be lucky enough to find a FL club but he’d have to fight for his place. It shouldn’t come as a shock to him if he ends up in non-league. Williams ended up in L2 and Solly in the 6th tier, he could easily end up at the same level as the latter.
A fresh start outside his Charlton comfort zone may be exactly what he needs. It’ll be interesting to see how he does elsewhere if he does move on.0 -
He'll be loaned out in January and either come back into contention or be sold/released.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He has yes but he'll be 22 at the start of next season so will take up a squad place. If we don't see a future for him, we'd have to move him on.Todds_right_hook said:
Hasn’t he got another year left on his contract?Scoham said:The way it’s going he’s likely to be released in the summer. He might be lucky enough to find a FL club but he’d have to fight for his place. It shouldn’t come as a shock to him if he ends up in non-league. Williams ended up in L2 and Solly in the 6th tier, he could easily end up at the same level as the latter.
A fresh start outside his Charlton comfort zone may be exactly what he needs. It’ll be interesting to see how he does elsewhere if he does move on.
Released under contract is probably the worst outcome for a footballer.0 -
I have seen him several times, dont really rate him bar the odd passing. Early in the season playing CAM did not suit and was wasteful, further back also dont think he is good enough, not sure he can play box to box. Really dont see him fitting in anywhere really, always hope for the best and its not impossible but for me he isn't good enough maybe league 2 at peak.
Would love to be wrong, send him out on loan and give him one more chance to impress elsewhere.0 -
Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
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All about opinions, this is the Albie Morgan thread not Kirk one...northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Also as he is one of our own, we are more likely to have an opinion and root for him too just happens most don't fancy him at present.0 -
This is such a weird comment.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Whatever you views on Morgan are, fans are basing their opinions on 80+ appearances over 4 seasons of football with us. A time in which he has not seemed to have developed into the player many people had hoped, including two of our managers.
It would be more ‘fucking priceless’ if our fans were digging out (having an opinion) a player like Kirk who has played less than 9 games for us, and joined us just after the death of his father.
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Morgan's dad hasn't just died, nor has he moved half the length of the country. Kirk has played a handful of games for us.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Albie has played nearly 100 games for us and hasn't improved since his 1st one. I would hardly say that's ripping the shit out of him. Especially compared to some of the abuse other players get.11 -
He wasn't really poor though. He was at the heart of most of our attacking play, and put in a shift defensively as wellJoshrewCAFC said:Really poor tonight. Thought this would be his chance to prove himself
In the first half, Morgan, Davison and Burstow were dominating the game, with Morgan setting the strikers up. Then Davison went off at HT and our attacking threat went as Wassim failed to get involved.
Morgan made mistakes, yes, but was still well ahead of most of the team in the second half who either had mares (Dele) or were invisible. I'd love to see the number of passes he made, when compared to Dempsey and Henry for example.
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Nice whataboutery that has absolutely zero relevance to anything. Once someone can make a convincing case for what Morgan actually does consistently well or a position he has looked comfortable in, then I will take that on board.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Pointing out that neither has happened is NOT "ripping the shit" out of him. And has absolutely nothing to do with Kirk.15 -
Hi Albie's dad, welcome to the forum.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless5 -
He was captain last night and a great opportunity to shine and inspire his peer group. Jacko gave him the chance and handed him the responsibility. It was a very poor performance. Nearly every ball he played was lost, even five yard passes. Played like he couldn't care less or was feeling ill. Sadly, miles away from the first team and has failed to reach a level of consistency needed to be a regular - needs a change.0
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Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour.3
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But how many games are we judging Kirk on? How many games can we judge Morgan on? If Kirk carries on playing like he has, then he will absolutely get criticism, completely justified. Morgan could reach 100 first team appearances this season, of which you'll find no more than around 10 (out of 85 so far) where everybody agrees he had a decent game. With just 2 goals and a small number of assists, it's simply not good enough.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
The weirdest part of your argument is judging Kirk by the league position of his club. Means absolutely nothing. But slating Kirk over a handful of appearances when there are other factors in play is wrong. Not surprisingly, you don't actually give any justification for why Morgan should not be criticised?6 -
Exactly !!!!redman said:Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour.
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I don't think that's the case, but very few have seen those players at 18/19, then again at 21/22 and realised there's been no progress. In fact, there's been regress. Perhaps we have with Dempsey, but then most people feel he has no future at the club too.redman said:Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour.3 -
Equally though, it mustn't have been easy for him that his chance to shine last night was given to him alongside a load of teenagers making their debut who he doesn't even train with most of the time. He's still young himself and it wasn't the best platform for him to show what he's about. I don't think he's a complete enough footballer to make it for us, but given his confidence is clearly pretty low following his failure to become an integral part of the midfield this season and then not being picked by the replacement manager, lining him up in a midfield with Dempsey and Henry with Burstow and Davison ahead of him and expecting him to show what he's about isn't ideal. I agree that a change is probably good for him, starting fresh somewhere and seeing that wherever he goes bursts of ability aren't enough to get him through might help himCardinal Sin said:He was captain last night and a great opportunity to shine and inspire his peer group. Jacko gave him the chance and handed him the responsibility. It was a very poor performance. Nearly every ball he played was lost, even five yard passes. Played like he couldn't care less or was feeling ill. Sadly, miles away from the first team and has failed to reach a level of consistency needed to be a regular - needs a change.
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Clayden is 20. None of those 3 are a great example though as they probably won't make it with us either.redman said:Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour.
Was actually quite surprised we didn't loan Dempsey again this season as his career is pretty much going nowhere.0 -
Jacko's summed it up nicely to save Charltonlife from another 9-10 pages on the thread it seems!
“I want him to be smarter in his play and his positioning. He’s trying to take on board the things that I want from players in his position. It was an opportunity for him to get more minutes. He needs to grab those opportunities and he needs to continue training hard and try to convince me he should be in the league starting 11 through what he does in these games and what he does on the training pitch.
“It’s been difficult for him. I gave him the armband, I thought he was the most senior in terms of Charlton appearances amongst that group, so I felt it was the right thing to give him the armband. He’s not a junior player anymore so Albie needs to keep applying himself. I thought he, like he always does, gave everything out there.”
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A valid point but he's a 21 year old whose made 80 odd appearances thus far and its still not very clear what he actually does. Is he a deep lying passer? A box to box runner? A playmaker behind the strikers? He's been tried in all 3 but none of them really seem to suit him.redman said:Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour.
Which is the problem I have with the "he needs to be given a chance" argument - given a chance to do what? To be what? Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson (two of them accomplished midfielders and the other an advocate for youth development) have all so far failed to identify any position that he seems suited for. At some point surely it becomes an issue that he just isn't going to make it.4 -
Morgan has been at the club how long? Made his debut when? He is settled here, knows all the faces at the training ground, born in the local area, as of last year he was living with parents, may still be. Ultimately he is settled at the club but hasn’t progressed and hasn’t had any relative footballing successnorthstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
kirk is new, doesn’t know the area, has no family here, lost his dad, no friends here, has to learn who every one is at the training ground, has to learn new coaching and training methods, generally has to settle and start again. Has a promotion with goals and assists on his cv.
Morgan has had 90 chances to claim a spot over 3.5 seasons. Kirk has had less than 10 in 3 months.
apart from the three paragraphs above, your comparison of them being similar ages is spot on
morgan is very unlikely to make it with us, Kirk may or may not come good. I know which one I would now invest time and effort in.2 -
Morgan should be dominating and more involved when compared to an 18 year old and a guy that somehow got a contract after playing two or three times for the first team at the age of 22killerandflash said:
He wasn't really poor though. He was at the heart of most of our attacking play, and put in a shift defensively as wellJoshrewCAFC said:Really poor tonight. Thought this would be his chance to prove himself
In the first half, Morgan, Davison and Burstow were dominating the game, with Morgan setting the strikers up. Then Davison went off at HT and our attacking threat went as Wassim failed to get involved.
Morgan made mistakes, yes, but was still well ahead of most of the team in the second half who either had mares (Dele) or were invisible. I'd love to see the number of passes he made, when compared to Dempsey and Henry for example.0 -
Wonder how Morgan fared against Ged's magic Black box and compared with the rest of the team last night, measured by the same?
Assuming of course that the Black box is fired up for a pizza match.
Jacko seemed pleased with his physical effort, but there was a strong hint that his application is not up to scratch.
Unless something changes in his game, or an injury crisis dictates that he has to play, I can't see him getting many more minutes of first team footy in the league for the rest of this season.
So a loan in a lower league is probably the best way to give him one final chance to shine, before deciding whether to renew his contract.
But who would have him?0 -
Not piling on Steve, just to say this comment reminded me of something that happened earlier in my career, when my boss kept bringing up my colleague's poor performance and attitude (he was my best mate) during my review. And I said, what has his performance got to do with mine?northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
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I get the point around his age and effectively playing with the U23's last night, but think it's a bit irrelevant though, it's about his squad status, and for the last couple of seasons he's been a first team player and now supposed to be our first choice number 10.... And after a couple of seasons he still isn't doing it.
Yes, he may well still develop as age is on his side, but right now, he ain't good/ consistent enough to be in our first team, as his squad status deems he should.
Clayden, Ghandour, Deji - were all expected to be "involved" with the first team and they have been, it's different with Morgan as he's supposed to have already made it.
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He has improved some aspects. Just not enough. His workrate for example is much better.Cafc43v3r said:
Morgan's dad hasn't just died, nor has he moved half the length of the country. Kirk has played a handful of games for us.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Albie has played nearly 100 games for us and hasn't improved since his 1st one. I would hardly say that's ripping the shit out of him. Especially compared to some of the abuse other players get.3 -
Albie might be well served with a short spell at National League (N or S) level to get used to playing weekly and get up to speed for the chance of a January loan to L20
