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Albie Morgan - diagnosed with type 1 diabetes (p63)
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If you ask for consistency, that’s 4 good games in a row ( I don’t include the pizza game as a proper match). I reckon if Fraser had played like Albie did yesterday, everyone would have been salivating . Yes, not everything comes off and yes he should have scored but he is working hard, he tries to move the ball progressively and his set pieces are excellent.paulfox said:
Fucking he’ll bite why don’t you!!😂Dazzler21 said:
Nobody has said he's fantastic on this or any other thread ever FFS 😂paulfox said:
Ok he’s fantastic then.👍Dazzler21 said:
2 assists are 2 assists no matter how you come by them.paulfox said:
Dazzler I’m sorry but if your throwing stats out for Albie it’s not going to help his cause. If it was 80 games starting and having lots of influence within them games then he’d probably be a championship player. 2 dead ball assists are different to a midfielder assisting from open play and controlling a game, both of which he doesn’t do, after 80 games you would expect more composure once you eventually get to the 18yard box.Dazzler21 said:
How many 22 year olds in this league have 80 appearances under 3 different managers? There's a reason he keeps getting brought back in.paulfox said:
Be better than he is. He’s had his chances and failed to take them after 80 odd appearances. If a better player comes in he will play before Albie, I think that will be Fraser. If Albie gets to the level required then I’ll happily watch progress us into the championship.ForeverAddickted said:
Let me ask you this then... What do you expect him to do?paulfox said:I’m sorry but a player has to do more than deliver an uncontested free kick well, let’s just forget everything else he does or doesn’t do. He has been better, but he’s just been better than the previous level of piss poor. His level now is what should be expected as a minimum requirement and he’s getting praise for it. We have had to buy/ loan other players because the ones we’ve got haven’t been cutting it and Morgan is a prime example.
I expect Fraser to unseat him, but not right now. He's playing well and delivering at the moment.
2 assists today and you rant about the rest of his performance. As a play maker his job is to get assists and create opportunities for his teammates to score. He's done that.
looking a joking and backbiting apart he has been doing better, had the shirt, let’s see what happens. I don’t dislike him it’s just a footballing opinion.👍3 -
Glad he’s having a good run of it and finally fulfilling some of his promise. I’d just about given up on him coming good.He’s been a big piece in our last three wins and felt we missed him when he was subbed - not something I’ve ever said before so whatever he’s doing with Jacko, Euell and Skiverton is working and long may it continue.
I will hazard a guess that the all action play of Dobson (crunching tackles) and Gilbey (endless running and harrying) are the perfect foil for him to play to his strengths (technical ability and creativity) while not having to unduly worry about maintaining defensive responsibilities.That has been his Achilles heel in previous seasons. Maybe we stumbled upon the system that gets the best out of him.4 -
His best point has been some of his set delivery’s but there are also corners that go straight off the pitch
He tries super hard and there are green shoots of recovery although I’m not seeing what others are but in all honesty I’m a football snob who won’t be tugging any of this worst footballing period in our history’s players off too much .
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The corners that go straight off the pitch is a product of him always trying to make them dangerous , rather than just aimlessly chipping them into the box, which we’ve had all season .oohaahmortimer said:His best point has been some of his set delivery’s but there are also corners that go straight off the pitch
He tries super hard and there are green shoots of recovery although I’m not seeing what others are but in all honesty I’m a football snob who won’t be tugging any of this worst footballing period in our history’s players off too much .I agree - he’s no Claus Jensen , but we are in division 3.3 -
If I recall correctly, the season we had Di Canio taking our corners we scored more goals from corners than any other top flight side that season. At lot of Di Canios missed the target and flew long. The ones that he got right though were damned near undefendable.wmcf123 said:
The corners that go straight off the pitch is a product of him always trying to make them dangerous , rather than just aimlessly chipping them into the box, which we’ve had all season .oohaahmortimer said:His best point has been some of his set delivery’s but there are also corners that go straight off the pitch
He tries super hard and there are green shoots of recovery although I’m not seeing what others are but in all honesty I’m a football snob who won’t be tugging any of this worst footballing period in our history’s players off too much .I agree - he’s no Claus Jensen , but we are in division 3.Not saying Morgan is anywhere near Di Canio’s standard but the same logic applies - you can float them in and hit the target zone 90% of the time but never score, or you can deliver balls that we can actually score from but likely miss the target zone more often because you actually have to put some whip and zip on the ball.12 -
In terms of set pieces, its just nice seeing the first man being beaten
Imagine Albie's assist rate will go down soon as a result - Especially once the opposition realise that we can finally beat the first man again, and will have to take the whole corner routine a bit more seriously from us again1 -
We've missed out on a large number of potential goals with Lee's set pieces. Jacko knows it.6
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Interesting you see his strengths as that, I've always thought he'd be best as the Gilbey type. I seem to remember us all saying that a big problem was his fitness and how he couldn't last 90 mins. One of my questions was why he always looked so much better when coming off the bench than starting.Callumcafc said:Glad he’s having a good run of it and finally fulfilling some of his promise. I’d just about given up on him coming good.He’s been a big piece in our last three wins and felt we missed him when he was subbed - not something I’ve ever said before so whatever he’s doing with Jacko, Euell and Skiverton is working and long may it continue.
I will hazard a guess that the all action play of Dobson (crunching tackles) and Gilbey (endless running and harrying) are the perfect foil for him to play to his strengths (technical ability and creativity) while not having to unduly worry about maintaining defensive responsibilities.That has been his Achilles heel in previous seasons. Maybe we stumbled upon the system that gets the best out of him.
I still don't seem him as the creative type e.g. Lee when he's on form. Personally if he is here next season I'd like to see the modified being made up of Fraser/Lee (or another) for the more advanced creative role. Gilbey/Morgan for the driving forward role and Dobson/potentially Clare for the holding role.0 -
Morgan’s a better passer than he is getting in the box and making forward runs off the ball. It’s difficult to imagine him scoring double figures over a season, while Gilbey has the potential to in a better team and with a bit more composure.colthe3rd said:
Interesting you see his strengths as that, I've always thought he'd be best as the Gilbey type. I seem to remember us all saying that a big problem was his fitness and how he couldn't last 90 mins. One of my questions was why he always looked so much better when coming off the bench than starting.Callumcafc said:Glad he’s having a good run of it and finally fulfilling some of his promise. I’d just about given up on him coming good.He’s been a big piece in our last three wins and felt we missed him when he was subbed - not something I’ve ever said before so whatever he’s doing with Jacko, Euell and Skiverton is working and long may it continue.
I will hazard a guess that the all action play of Dobson (crunching tackles) and Gilbey (endless running and harrying) are the perfect foil for him to play to his strengths (technical ability and creativity) while not having to unduly worry about maintaining defensive responsibilities.That has been his Achilles heel in previous seasons. Maybe we stumbled upon the system that gets the best out of him.
I still don't seem him as the creative type e.g. Lee when he's on form. Personally if he is here next season I'd like to see the modified being made up of Fraser/Lee (or another) for the more advanced creative role. Gilbey/Morgan for the driving forward role and Dobson/potentially Clare for the holding role.0 - Sponsored links:
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There's a misconception that Gilbey is more of a finisher/goal threat than he actually is.
His career stats have seen him score 25 goals in 242 starts. That's a ratio of a goal approximately every 10 games.0 -
oohaahmortimer said:His best point has been some of his set delivery’s but there are also corners that go straight off the pitch
He tries super hard and there are green shoots of recovery although I’m not seeing what others are but in all honesty I’m a football snob who won’t be tugging any of this worst footballing period in our history’s players off too much
What exactly is super hard
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Nobody divides opinion on here more than Albie. For me he is a nice kid and yes he has done ok the last few games but he isnt good enough for a team that has ambition of getting promoted. The key to answering the Albie lovers is that they should ask themselves if they have ever been concerned that another club will come in for him ? The answer is no, infact if I remember correctly we have tried a few times to get him a loan but no takers. That speaks volumes imo. The market doesnt lie very often ( see Burstow) a young english player with potential would have constant rumours about a move if he was any good1
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PWR the last 100 comments, but there was a moment late 2nd half where albie produced an outrageous bit of skill to skip past a defender in the area, then promptly miscontrolled it befire he could shoot and the ball ran out of play. This sums him up to a certain extent. We know he can do it, but it's a bit hit and miss sometimes. Having said that his corners have been excellent recently and a real improvement on Lee's. Overall I think he's been pretty good the last couple of games and deserves a run or at least to be involved in every squad.2
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Uh oh, your gonna get a few lols for this post, your right though. I really wish there was just a disagree tab, rather than being sarcastically loled, I have no problem people telling me they think I’m talking bollox!!😂AndyG said:Nobody divides opinion on here more than Albie. For me he is a nice kid and yes he has done ok the last few games but he isnt good enough for a team that has ambition of getting promoted. The key to answering the Albie lovers is that they should ask themselves if they have ever been concerned that another club will come in for him ? The answer is no, infact if I remember correctly we have tried a few times to get him a loan but no takers. That speaks volumes imo. The market doesnt lie very often ( see Burstow) a young english player with potential would have constant rumours about a move if he was any good0 -
His stats in the last few games speak for themself.1
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They don’t count, also shock horror, a pro footballer is able to take a dead ball kick, maybe he’d be good at American football!!, although they do contest kicks. He has improved but the overhype in his improvement is embarrassing. So easily pleased fans on here.AndyG said:
Yes I agree mate but what about the previous 92 ?mendonca said:His stats in the last few games speak for themself.0 -
Agree with you but just looking at his latest return into the first team fold.AndyG said:
Yes I agree mate but what about the previous 92 ?mendonca said:His stats in the last few games speak for themself.
He's offered more than Lee has of late. That's a fact. But usually begins to tail off, so lets see how things move forward.1 -
TBF @paulfox Jacko has trusted him with every set piece when Albie has been on the pitch. Gilbey couldn't get the ball off the ground and beyond the 1st man with the couple he took! I dont think anyone is saying he's the new messiah, just that the lad has come in from the cold and done well. Yeah, we all want upgrades in every position but we're in div 1, so need to work with what we currently have. COYApaulfox said:
They don’t count, also shock horror, a pro footballer is able to take a dead ball kick, maybe he’d be good at American football!!, although they do contest kicks. He has improved but the overhype in his improvement is embarrassing. So easily pleased fans on here.AndyG said:
Yes I agree mate but what about the previous 92 ?mendonca said:His stats in the last few games speak for themself.2 - Sponsored links:
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The constant calling of Charlton fans being embarrassing for some thing or another is becoming a joke on here at the moment (not just calling you out on this, it’s several people over various threads).paulfox said:
They don’t count, also shock horror, a pro footballer is able to take a dead ball kick, maybe he’d be good at American football!!, although they do contest kicks. He has improved but the overhype in his improvement is embarrassing. So easily pleased fans on here.AndyG said:
Yes I agree mate but what about the previous 92 ?mendonca said:His stats in the last few games speak for themself.Also, there’s no overhype that I’ve read, merely people posting positive comments about Morgan’s recent games. No one has said he is the answer to getting promoted or anything like that, just that he’s put in some decent performances recently.7 -
Fair point, I know it’s like I’m always digging him out, he has done better as I keep saying , although that keeps getting overlooked.YTS1978 said:
TBF @paulfox Jacko has trusted him with every set piece when Albie has been on the pitch. Gilbey couldn't get the ball off the ground and beyond the 1st man with the couple he took! I dont think anyone is saying he's the new messiah, just that the lad has come in from the cold and done well. Yeah, we all want upgrades in every position but we're in div 1, so need to work with what we currently have. COYApaulfox said:
They don’t count, also shock horror, a pro footballer is able to take a dead ball kick, maybe he’d be good at American football!!, although they do contest kicks. He has improved but the overhype in his improvement is embarrassing. So easily pleased fans on here.AndyG said:
Yes I agree mate but what about the previous 92 ?mendonca said:His stats in the last few games speak for themself.1 -
My son has only recently been coming to matches with me, but commented yesterday "our No10 is everywhere and doesn't stop running"9
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If this thread had started only 4 games ago, it would certainly be a different type of discussion being had, however it hasn’t and he is being judged accordingly. When I say overhype I am implying that people tend to suggest he is doing better than he actually is because of the need to support him as a caveat to people like myself that don’t think he’s particularly very good. Various posters who don’t really rate him have given him credit where it’s due to be fair, but seems to be overlooked.The embarrassing comment is very throw away agreed, but I also think everyone gets the the point when it’s used, and maybe taken too literal.stoneroses19 said:
The constant calling of Charlton fans being embarrassing for some thing or another is becoming a joke on here at the moment (not just calling you out on this, it’s several people over various threads).paulfox said:
They don’t count, also shock horror, a pro footballer is able to take a dead ball kick, maybe he’d be good at American football!!, although they do contest kicks. He has improved but the overhype in his improvement is embarrassing. So easily pleased fans on here.AndyG said:
Yes I agree mate but what about the previous 92 ?mendonca said:His stats in the last few games speak for themself.Also, there’s no overhype that I’ve read, merely people posting positive comments about Morgan’s recent games. No one has said he is the answer to getting promoted or anything like that, just that he’s put in some decent performances recently.0 -
I am sure everyone on here has read Keith Peacock's autobiography. The chapter on Gavin is extremely interesting and relevant.
Albie is 22 now I have no idea what type of midfielder he is. One of his main strengths is his range of passing which is nullified by playing higher up the pitch.0 -
I agree. The 10 role didn't suit him and clearly looks better now, playing deeper2
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If he can sort his tackling AND his positioning when out of possession, he would be two thirds of the way there... The remaining part, is his finishing. I don't think he'll ever be completely composed up top.0
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I think this fundamentally his main issue - no one else knows either, including him perhaps. He doesn't really seem to fit neatly into any of the "traditional" midfield roles but currently the combination he's part of is working.Cafc43v3r said:I am sure everyone on here has read Keith Peacock's autobiography. The chapter on Gavin is extremely interesting and relevant.
Albie is 22 now I have no idea what type of midfielder he is. One of his main strengths is his range of passing which is nullified by playing higher up the pitch.2 -
Not sure I agree about his passing. He can sometimes play good incisive balls but equally he can misplace a 10 yarder.
All this time and we still can't agree about his best position or even best attributes, says a lot.2
