My biggest problem is he over complicates things at times and tries the wonder pass instead of playing it simple.....still think he is a talent and can improve....dead ball kicks are better than Lee's
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
THIS with bells on ( after that inane noise throughout the match last night...)
As I will always acknowledge, I'm no connoisseur of the finer points of the game, but I can recognise a player who works his socks off for his team, who runs & runs & runs in the Dobbo mould, who executes pinpoint passes to the feet of his team mates in attacking positions, who can pick up the pieces when a ball is contested & then set up a new attack & who takes better corners than his lauded predecessor from Luton. @wmcf123's post states " he always tries to pass the ball quickly & invariably forwards " which even though some may go astray, is far better than "the safe 5 yard sideways pass" that others tend to look for.
My criticism of Lifers ( not that there are many) is that some cannot give credit where credit's due, whilst others seem to find it difficult to admit that a player can "up" his game. One example is the oft mentioned scapegoat of the season ....why does there have to be one?
For me, Albie is a work in progress but that progress is currently there on the pitch for all to see....if they care to.
Albie is not the finished article....but who is ? But I see a player who is maturing & has begun to have belief in his ability. Surely others are now able to see what he brings to "the party" ?
What he is currently demonstrating is that he is learning & working hard to hone his skills - and showing perhaps more than ever before that he could/maybe should play an important role in the first team squad.
I believe that the gaffer & Albie's fellow players are relishing this "new" no 10 in their midst & we, the faithful, might do well to follow suit.
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
For the record I also give credit when it’s due, it still remains to be seen if he can become the wonderful player some believe him to be. Long term I don’t think he’s going above this league successfully. As long as the thread remains people will continue to deride/ praise him as they wish. If we all only commented once per thread the forum would be pretty shit wouldn’t it. Rather than dig people out maybe have some input as to why you disagree, it’s called debate/opinion. None of us are always correct, in Albies case I hope I’m completely wrong.👍
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
For the record I also give credit when it’s due, it still remains to be seen if he can become the wonderful player some believe him to be. Long term I don’t think he’s going above this league successfully. As long as the thread remains people will continue to deride/ praise him as they wish. If we all only commented once per thread the forum would be pretty shit wouldn’t it. Rather than dig people out maybe have some input as to why you disagree, it’s called debate/opinion. None of us are always correct, in Albies case I hope I’m completely wrong.👍
Nobody is saying he'll be wonderful.
It's not a coincidence that players that maintained their high levels consistently for us in this league and the one above are either playing above us in the Championship & Premier League or other nations top leagues.
If inconsistency in his defending and finishing are the only things to beat him with at 21, I'd say he's not doing awfully.
I don't think he'll ever play above championship, but under the right manager I do believe he can play at that level.
I was being a bit flippant when I said wonderful, he has had moments where he’s looked very good, but they are just too fleeting, I can’t have the age as an excuse either with amount of games he’s had. I do give him the bird a lot because I find him very frustrating to watch. He does one good thing to a lot more unimpressive stuff. If he turns that ratio around he could prove us doubters wrong. He could develop late, but I doubt it will be for Charlton. If it is for us I welcome it, but as it stands I’ve run out of patience to wait for him to be wonderful!!😜🤣
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
As one of those people, I will say that I've genuinely seen something change from him in the last few games and I'm now keen to see more
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
For the record I also give credit when it’s due, it still remains to be seen if he can become the wonderful player some believe him to be. Long term I don’t think he’s going above this league successfully. As long as the thread remains people will continue to deride/ praise him as they wish. If we all only commented once per thread the forum would be pretty shit wouldn’t it. Rather than dig people out maybe have some input as to why you disagree, it’s called debate/opinion. None of us are always correct, in Albies case I hope I’m completely wrong.👍
I’m not digging you out mate, apologies if it came off that way. Opinions are what make any of this half interesting, who am I to have a problem if someone disagrees with me.
I don’t really want to get into the Albie Morgan debate. I’m just pointing out that a significant percentage of the posters (On this thread) don’t rate Albie Morgan, so I wouldn’t say that he’s overly supported.
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
As one of those people, I will say that I've genuinely seen something change from him in the last few games and I'm now keen to see more
Turncoat!!!!!😜😂, look if he keeps doing good effective things more often, nobody could complain. We’re not there yet.
Played well last night and calmed the midfield down when we needed him too. Never quite understood the early season criticism of Morgan - I honestly think a lot of that was Adkins having no idea how or where to play him.
I think there is a bit of chicken and egg going on there.
The 3, or 4, man central midfield is the balance you have to get right. A good striker, goalkeeper or center half will be just that. Yes you will get some partnership that work better than others. But not in quite the same way.
Remember we only had 3 central midfielders, backed up by Dempsey and Vennings through preseason. Then Clare got injured as Watson came back from Covid. Then Arter managed 45 minutes. Then your chopping and changing. Gilbey, back from Covid with no u23 games, can do half an hour.
It was an absolute shambles. Adkins clearly wasn't the solution, maybe in those first 4 or 5 games he could have tried something different, but I am not sure what.
If Gilbey had been healthy, or JFC adequately replaced, I don't think Morgan, or Dobson or possibly even Adkins would have been written off so quickly.
Morgan isn't a 10, nor a 6, I am not even sure he is really an 8. After 100 games you would think it was obvious. He is probably, amongst the players, the biggest victim of the muddled thinking that has plagued us for the last 18 months.
Hopefully, and touch wood, Jackson has both the courage in his own conviction and the influence to implement it. And he helps shape Albie's destiny but I fear that won't happen.
Unfortunately Alfie is the poster boy for "not the problem but not the solution either". Although you could probably give that to one of about 25 people over the last 18 months. He isn't the answer.
Our two goals last night were from two very big slices of luck.
We got into decent positions but again our weakness in front of goal was clear to see. But that's not just down to Morgan. For all their work Gilbey and Blackett Taylor were also guilty of not having enough about them to stick the ball in the back of the net. Lee & DJ also suffer from this.
Albie did at least provide some penetration. He has it in him but doesn't do it anywhere nearly as consistently enough. We can't have passengers if we're serious about pushing on and Albie needs to put in performances like last night on a far more regular basis. Let's hope he finally pushes on and starts turning out performances like that week after week.
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
That's great and all but the problem is he can't pass. I know performances can sometimes be subjective but looking at the stats for last night pass completion of 66%, that's pretty poor for a midfielder. He also had 4 shots, most out of anyone playing last night so that's good he's getting in the right positions, problem is zero on target.
So is the general consensus that Morgan is deserving of a place in the side at the moment because he's not as bad as he has been in the past, he's running around a lot more than he did and he's the only one who can replace Lee who is woefully out of form?
That's pretty harsh - I'd say he's one of the best passers we have, he often releases us on an attack with his vision and passes, and although his pass completion stat may be lower, i'd bet his passes are a lot braver than the other players, and he is often crossing the ball which we didn't win a lot of last night. Dobson's probably at a higher % as he collects/recovers the ball in front of the defence then off-loads to the wings or the other 2 mids, not the same kinda passes.
I agree his shooting is pretty poor but as per JJ himself he's working on that and trying to be more dangerous in front of goal.
Surely if we're talking about the team, the fact that Morgan is performing better than Lee (who appears to be his direct competition currently) does mean he deserves his place...
Can't agree with the first half of you post but yeah fair point on the final sentence. I guess my issue with Morgan is I can't remember a player in our recent past that has had as many chances and still we all end up back to the same view point as fans, some think he's not good enough and some think he will come good.
People saying send Lee back/don't consider a permanent because he has had a drop in form (coincided with Stockley getting injured and losing his hold-up/link up play) when he has shown to be more consistent and effective than Morgan.
If Albie hadn't come through our academy then we would've jettisoned him from the club a long time ago, and him not taking yet another chance is the reason he shouldn't be near a team with aspirations of promotion. (So I guess he's safe for this shower of mediocrity we currently find ourselves in!)
That’s true - Lee has been consistently dreadful for weeks.
Morgan is not supported strongly because he’s an academy player- I actually think he’s treated more harshly because of it . He’s supported because there’s clearly a talent there.
Incidentally, the comment above about slowing the game down is totally invalid . He always tries to pass the ball quickly and invariably forwards , which can lead to a few going astray. Give me that over the players that look for the safe 5 yard sideways pass any day .
I’d say he’s overly supported because he’s an academy player, if he wasn’t ‘ours’ he’d have gone long ago.
This thread is 95% the same 5-10 people saying how bad he is on a biweekly basis
For the record I also give credit when it’s due, it still remains to be seen if he can become the wonderful player some believe him to be. Long term I don’t think he’s going above this league successfully. As long as the thread remains people will continue to deride/ praise him as they wish. If we all only commented once per thread the forum would be pretty shit wouldn’t it. Rather than dig people out maybe have some input as to why you disagree, it’s called debate/opinion. None of us are always correct, in Albies case I hope I’m completely wrong.👍
I’m not digging you out mate, apologies if it came off that way. Opinions are what make any of this half interesting, who am I to have a problem if someone disagrees with me.
I don’t really want to get into the Albie Morgan debate. I’m just pointing out that a significant percentage of the posters (On this thread) don’t rate Albie Morgan, so I wouldn’t say that he’s overly supported.
No apology needed mate, I’m spitting my dummy out aswell🤣, I think I worded it wrong when I said overly supported, I didn’t mean by amount of people necessarily, just that those who do support him so strongly, I feel don’t see any negatives about him and I think that’s because he is one of ours. People may say the opposite and posters like myself are too harsh and don’t see the positives. He has upped his game a bit recently though and I have eluded to that in post match threads, believe or not I actually stuck up for him once aswell!!😳
Our two goals last night were from two very big slices of luck.
We got into decent positions but again our weakness in front of goal was clear to see. But that's not just down to Morgan. For all their work Gilbey and Blackett Taylor were also guilty of not having enough about them to stick the ball in the back of the net. Lee & DJ also suffer from this.
Albie did at least provide some penetration. He has it in him but doesn't do it anywhere nearly as consistently enough. We can't have passengers if we're serious about pushing on and Albie needs to put in performances like last night on a far more regular basis. Let's hope he finally pushes on and starts turning out performances like that week after week.
Albie did at least provide some penetration.
ok lower the tone why don’t you, keep to his performance on the pitch please!!🤣
Thought Morgan was great last night - him and Dobson ran the midfield, making up for Gilbey who had a bit of a mare.
The thing I like about Morgan is he always plays with his head up, looking for a pass which I think is something we missed when we had Lee in his place, who was often dribbling into dead ends only to turn back on himself and play sideways/backwards.
THIS with bells on ( after that inane noise throughout the match last night...)
As I will always acknowledge, I'm no connoisseur of the finer points of the game, but I can recognise a player who works his socks off for his team, who runs & runs & runs in the Dobbo mould, who executes pinpoint passes to the feet of his team mates in attacking positions, who can pick up the pieces when a ball is contested & then set up a new attack & who takes better corners than his lauded predecessor from Luton. @wmcf123's post states " he always tries to pass the ball quickly & invariably forwards " which even though some may go astray, is far better than "the safe 5 yard sideways pass" that others tend to look for.
My criticism of Lifers ( not that there are many) is that some cannot give credit where credit's due, whilst others seem to find it difficult to admit that a player can "up" his game. One example is the oft mentioned scapegoat of the season ....why does there have to be one?
For me, Albie is a work in progress but that progress is currently there on the pitch for all to see....if they care to.
Albie is not the finished article....but who is ? But I see a player who is maturing & has begun to have belief in his ability. Surely others are now able to see what he brings to "the party" ?
What he is currently demonstrating is that he is learning & working hard to hone his skills - and showing perhaps more than ever before that he could/maybe should play an important role in the first team squad.
I believe that the gaffer & Albie's fellow players are relishing this "new" no 10 in their midst & we, the faithful, might do well to follow suit.
The scapegoat is the counter balance to the "pwoper Charlton". They are the yin and yang of Charlton life, both literally and metaphorically.
I find the whole idea of casting people as goodies and baddies quite nauseating to be honest. Obviously in some cases, especially the baddies, it is clearly black and white but the lengths and mental gymnastics some people go through to defend the "goodies" against criticism is outstanding.
Everyone's actions or performance should be judged on merit, as you say credit where credit is due. Equally the inverse is true.
Albie Morgan is an enigma but maybe, just maybe at 22 and now fitter than he has ever been before he can contribute as he seems to be emulating Gilbey with power runs and closing down. Albie is better on the ball than Alex but he needs to hit the target (same for Gilbey) more often. Fraser surely will become the main playmaker in midfield but no surprise that when he have more energy and movement in the team, Albie Morgan looks a half decent footballer. Nile John I have never seen so have no idea how he fits in. Dobson is the first name in midfield since Adkins left; About the only thing that has consensus on CL.
Morgan being well suited to the team is more an inditement of the level we are at tbh.
He's young and 22 so perhaps he will fine tune the weaknesses in his game. But if we're looking at promotion next season he shouldn't really be in the first team.
Squad player? Perhaps, but if we have to rely on him for too long his weaknesses become more apparent and he will be targetted.
Morgan being well suited to the team is more an inditement of the level we are at tbh.
He's young and 22 so perhaps he will fine tune the weaknesses in his game. But if we're looking at promotion next season he shouldn't really be in the first team.
Squad player? Perhaps, but if we have to rely on him for too long his weaknesses become more apparent and he will be targetted.
What I find puzzling is that we have so many players that are considered as not good enough for a promotion push next season, and yet so many think that the squad should have been top six this season. I think most fans 1st team is competitive enough to have challenged but not the squad.
Next season? I think that on balance I would prefer Morgan to Lee in our squad. Tough call but I think Morgan edges it on potential, commitment and the likelihood of scoring more goals.
Which two will you play in midfield in front of Dobson ...... Gilbey, Morgan, Lee, John, Fraser?
Hard to say when we've only seen 3 of them actually play for Charlton - but I see it as a choice between Gilbey/Fraser and Morgan/Lee, I'm not sure what John's game is like.
Which two will you play in midfield in front of Dobson ...... Gilbey, Morgan, Lee, John, Fraser?
Lee is a 10 the others are more 8s. So it depends how we want to set up, the flexibility looks much better.
I assume, even if not immediately, it will be Dobson, Fraser +1 and either Lee or John or both will be replaced with a Dobson alternative in the summer.
Add in JFC and its not a bad league 1 midfield group is it.
Which two will you play in midfield in front of Dobson ...... Gilbey, Morgan, Lee, John, Fraser?
Lee is a 10 the others are more 8s. So it depends how we want to set up, the flexibility looks much better.
I assume, even if not immediately, it will be Dobson, Fraser +1 and either Lee or John or both will be replaced with a Dobson alternative in the summer.
Add in JFC and its not a bad league 1 midfield group is it.
Which two will you play in midfield in front of Dobson ...... Gilbey, Morgan, Lee, John, Fraser?
Hard to say when we've only seen 3 of them actually play for Charlton - but I see it as a choice between Gilbey/Fraser and Morgan/Lee, I'm not sure what John's game is like.
I see Fraser taking place of Morgan/Lee and playing deeper as more of a playmaker picking out passes with Gilbey or another playing the more attacking role.
Should get more goals and assists from Gilbey driving forward and getting in the box. Alongside Lee he played the deeper role, but his strengths are his energy and pushing forward rather than his playmaking.
"Should get more goals and assists from Gilbey driving forward and getting in the box."
I really hope so, because the runs and driving forwards has been there for some time, just not the final touch that we've needed. Maybe if he conserves his energy, we may see an improvement in his "KPIs" :-)
The Morgannaisance continues apace. Two assists today. Has Fraser’s arrival focused his mind? Have Jackson or his new deputy Skiverton stumbled across the answer in training?
I am not sure the reason but as a freely admitted skeptic when it came to Albie thus far I'm really glad to see him having an actual run of consistent good form. Long may it last.
Decent game again from Morgan. Didn’t always make the right decision on the ball but was plenty involved, looking to make things happen all the time, played some nice passes, and set pieces were a threat all afternoon - capped with two excellent assists. His form continues to move in the right direction.
Justified his selection, in my opinion, despite the raised eyebrows, pre-match, that Fraser didn’t start.
Decent game again from Morgan. Didn’t always make the right decision on the ball but was plenty involved, looking to make things happen all the time, played some nice passes, and set pieces were a threat all afternoon - capped with two excellent assists. His form continues to move in the right direction.
Justified his selection, in my opinion, despite the raised eyebrows, pre-match, that Fraser didn’t start.
Can’t see anyone expected Fraser to start , given that he hasn’t played in weeks and we’ve been winning
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As I will always acknowledge, I'm no connoisseur of the finer points of the game, but I can recognise a player who works his socks off for his team, who runs & runs & runs in the Dobbo mould, who executes pinpoint passes to the feet of his team mates in attacking positions, who can pick up the pieces when a ball is contested & then set up a new attack & who takes better corners than his lauded predecessor from Luton. @wmcf123's post states " he always tries to pass the ball quickly & invariably forwards " which even though some may go astray, is far better than "the safe 5 yard sideways pass" that others tend to look for.
My criticism of Lifers ( not that there are many) is that some cannot give credit where credit's due, whilst others seem to find it difficult to admit that a player can "up" his game. One example is the oft mentioned scapegoat of the season ....why does there have to be one?
For me, Albie is a work in progress but that progress is currently there on the pitch for all to see....if they care to.
Albie is not the finished article....but who is ? But I see a player who is maturing & has begun to have belief in his ability. Surely others are now able to see what he brings to "the party" ?
What he is currently demonstrating is that he is learning & working hard to hone his skills - and showing perhaps more than ever before that he could/maybe should play an important role in the first team squad.
I believe that the gaffer & Albie's fellow players are relishing this "new" no 10 in their midst & we, the faithful, might do well to follow suit.
It's not a coincidence that players that maintained their high levels consistently for us in this league and the one above are either playing above us in the Championship & Premier League or other nations top leagues.
If inconsistency in his defending and finishing are the only things to beat him with at 21, I'd say he's not doing awfully.
I don't think he'll ever play above championship, but under the right manager I do believe he can play at that level.
Far from wonderful.
The 3, or 4, man central midfield is the balance you have to get right. A good striker, goalkeeper or center half will be just that. Yes you will get some partnership that work better than others. But not in quite the same way.
Remember we only had 3 central midfielders, backed up by Dempsey and Vennings through preseason. Then Clare got injured as Watson came back from Covid. Then Arter managed 45 minutes. Then your chopping and changing. Gilbey, back from Covid with no u23 games, can do half an hour.
It was an absolute shambles. Adkins clearly wasn't the solution, maybe in those first 4 or 5 games he could have tried something different, but I am not sure what.
If Gilbey had been healthy, or JFC adequately replaced, I don't think Morgan, or Dobson or possibly even Adkins would have been written off so quickly.
Morgan isn't a 10, nor a 6, I am not even sure he is really an 8. After 100 games you would think it was obvious. He is probably, amongst the players, the biggest victim of the muddled thinking that has plagued us for the last 18 months.
Hopefully, and touch wood, Jackson has both the courage in his own conviction and the influence to implement it. And he helps shape Albie's destiny but I fear that won't happen.
Unfortunately Alfie is the poster boy for "not the problem but not the solution either". Although you could probably give that to one of about 25 people over the last 18 months. He isn't the answer.
We got into decent positions but again our weakness in front of goal was clear to see. But that's not just down to Morgan. For all their work Gilbey and Blackett Taylor were also guilty of not having enough about them to stick the ball in the back of the net. Lee & DJ also suffer from this.
Albie did at least provide some penetration. He has it in him but doesn't do it anywhere nearly as consistently enough. We can't have passengers if we're serious about pushing on and Albie needs to put in performances like last night on a far more regular basis.
Let's hope he finally pushes on and starts turning out performances like that week after week.
ok lower the tone why don’t you, keep to his performance on the pitch please!!🤣
I find the whole idea of casting people as goodies and baddies quite nauseating to be honest. Obviously in some cases, especially the baddies, it is clearly black and white but the lengths and mental gymnastics some people go through to defend the "goodies" against criticism is outstanding.
Everyone's actions or performance should be judged on merit, as you say credit where credit is due. Equally the inverse is true.
Dobson is the first name in midfield since Adkins left; About the only thing that has consensus on CL.
He's young and 22 so perhaps he will fine tune the weaknesses in his game. But if we're looking at promotion next season he shouldn't really be in the first team.
Squad player? Perhaps, but if we have to rely on him for too long his weaknesses become more apparent and he will be targetted.
Next season? I think that on balance I would prefer Morgan to Lee in our squad. Tough call but I think Morgan edges it on potential, commitment and the likelihood of scoring more goals.
I assume, even if not immediately, it will be Dobson, Fraser +1 and either Lee or John or both will be replaced with a Dobson alternative in the summer.
Add in JFC and its not a bad league 1 midfield group is it.
Should get more goals and assists from Gilbey driving forward and getting in the box. Alongside Lee he played the deeper role, but his strengths are his energy and pushing forward rather than his playmaking.
I really hope so, because the runs and driving forwards has been there for some time, just not the final touch that we've needed. Maybe if he conserves his energy, we may see an improvement in his "KPIs" :-)
I am not sure the reason but as a freely admitted skeptic when it came to Albie thus far I'm really glad to see him having an actual run of consistent good form. Long may it last.