Agree, away fans go mental ( forget for a mo it’s WH) then that.
F that for football
After 5 seconds of watching the celebrations, I just thought to myself, VAR surely can't muck this up can they? He's miles onside. Literally can't celebrate without fearing the worst
Ridiculous rule highlighted by stupid VAR. It was meant to be used for clear and obvious mistakes, not the millimetre scale, was there a foul 3 minutes before the goal shite we're seeing currently
VAR as used in tonights sheff wed v west ham game is an abomination.I suspect our winner at wembley may have been ruled out for pearce climbing all over their defender.Just imagine that.The euphoria then the abject misery.
VAR as used in tonights sheff wed v west ham game is an abomination.I suspect our winner at wembley may have been ruled out for pearce climbing all over their defender.Just imagine that.The euphoria then the abject misery.
But, again, it’s not VAR - it’s the rules. VAR is just highlighting how bad some of the rules are.
Oh bore off. So tiring this nerdy argument about ‘the rules’ and VAR being innocent.
VAR is the problem because football and applying its rules will never be an exact science. Stopping everything and absolutely killing those pure moments of joy for fans to fret over the application of a particular rule in a particular millisecond of play is a nonsense.
There was never a problem with refs doing their best to apply the rules in the relevant moments before, and if they called it wrong we barely noticed or didn’t really give a shit. Because that’s football. It happens. Even that outrageous thrown-in call for Fulham which absolutely did us in in the Prem - we got over it. A red card decision went our way a few days later against Villa and we won in the last minute. Swings and roundabouts. We celebrated that Bryan Hughes goal like mad without having to worry about something poxy video review to confirm it.
The rules weren’t a big issue before VAR because they were interpreted in a human way, allowing the game to flow. VAR has made something out of nothing and is obviously the problem. Tragic that they can’t just sack it straight off.
But, again, it’s not VAR - it’s the rules. VAR is just highlighting how bad some of the rules are.
Oh bore off. So tiring this nerdy argument about ‘the rules’ and VAR being innocent.
VAR is the problem because football and applying its rules will never be an exact science. Stopping everything and absolutely killing those pure moments of joy for fans to fret over the application of a particular rule in a particular millisecond of play is a nonsense.
There was never a problem with refs doing their best to apply the rules in the relevant moments before, and if they called it wrong we barely noticed or didn’t really give a shit. Because that’s football. It happens. Even that outrageous thrown-in call for Fulham which absolutely did us in in the Prem - we got over it. A red card decision went our way a few days later against Villa and we won in the last minute. Swings and roundabouts. We celebrated that Bryan Hughes goal like mad without having to worry about something poxy video review to confirm it.
The rules weren’t a big issue before VAR because they were interpreted in a human way, allowing the game to flow. VAR has made something out of nothing and is obviously the problem. Tragic that they can’t just sack it straight off.
Yeah let’s not bother with the rules, just pick the ball up and run with it because whatever.
But, again, it’s not VAR - it’s the rules. VAR is just highlighting how bad some of the rules are.
Oh bore off. So tiring this nerdy argument about ‘the rules’ and VAR being innocent.
VAR is the problem because football and applying its rules will never be an exact science. Stopping everything and absolutely killing those pure moments of joy for fans to fret over the application of a particular rule in a particular millisecond of play is a nonsense.
There was never a problem with refs doing their best to apply the rules in the relevant moments before, and if they called it wrong we barely noticed or didn’t really give a shit. Because that’s football. It happens. Even that outrageous thrown-in call for Fulham which absolutely did us in in the Prem - we got over it. A red card decision went our way a few days later against Villa and we won in the last minute. Swings and roundabouts. We celebrated that Bryan Hughes goal like mad without having to worry about something poxy video review to confirm it.
The rules weren’t a big issue before VAR because they were interpreted in a human way, allowing the game to flow. VAR has made something out of nothing and is obviously the problem. Tragic that they can’t just sack it straight off.
The rule being discussed didn't exist pre VAR, so how can you know?
It’s in the rules that it’s only pulled up if it’s against the attacking team. Liverpool clearly are not the attacking team in either of those examples.
Part of me does think it’s ridiculous and highlights a rubbish new law of the game that needs a rethink.
But the other part of me realises how much of an advantage West Ham received from the ball hitting his hand, accidental or not.
I’m also of the firm belief that had this incident happened last season and the goal stood, we’d have the same pundits who moan about VAR now, moaning about a bad decision and how the refs need help.
It’s in the rules that it’s only pulled up if it’s against the attacking team. Liverpool clearly are not the attacking team in either of those examples.
What? Are you saying a handball by a defender in their own area, missed by the on field ref cannot go to var and a penalty awarded?
It’s in the rules that it’s only pulled up if it’s against the attacking team. Liverpool clearly are not the attacking team in either of those examples.
What? Are you saying a handball by a defender in their own area, missed by the on field ref cannot go to var and a penalty awarded?
No, he's saying an accidental handball for a defender is not against the rules, but is for an attacker.
It’s in the rules that it’s only pulled up if it’s against the attacking team. Liverpool clearly are not the attacking team in either of those examples.
What? Are you saying a handball by a defender in their own area, missed by the on field ref cannot go to var and a penalty awarded?
No, he's saying an accidental handball for a defender is not against the rules, but is for an attacker.
It’s in the rules that it’s only pulled up if it’s against the attacking team. Liverpool clearly are not the attacking team in either of those examples.
Not true. VvD controlled it with his had, pinged a ball 50 years onto a strikers shoulder and they scored. The ref originally gave a handball against the striker and the goal was disallowed. Var reviewed it and as it hit his shoulder the goal stood. They didnt bother to check the play leading up to the goal where the ball also hit a hand. They gave some excuse about not having the right camera angles, but that's clearly not true. I dont think it's a handball. It was an accident, and in no way affected the outcome. However VAR is inconsistent.
It’s in the rules that it’s only pulled up if it’s against the attacking team. Liverpool clearly are not the attacking team in either of those examples.
Not true. VvD controlled it with his had, pinged a ball 50 years onto a strikers shoulder and they scored. The ref originally gave a handball against the striker and the goal was disallowed. Var reviewed it and as it hit his shoulder the goal stood. They didnt bother to check the play leading up to the goal where the ball also hit a hand. They gave some excuse about not having the right camera angles, but that's clearly not true. I dont think it's a handball. It was an accident, and in no way affected the outcome. However VAR is inconsistent.
Sounds like the referees use of VAR is inconsistent.
Criticism of VAR may grow by the week but among those capable of influencing the situation in the Premier League, there is no appetite for the system to be suspended or scrapped. While executives from all 20 top-flight sides will gather in London for the next shareholders’ meeting on February 6, VAR does not currently feature as a significant item on the agenda.
The focus will be on issues such as the summer transfer window dates, which will be the subject of a vote, and VAR is set to be addressed only as a routine update. That will touch on how the technology is performing and the progress of a consultation with supporters and other relevant stakeholders over how its application can be improved.
VAR was used at all top-flight stadiums in the third round of the FA Cup this weekend, and referee Michael Oliver consulted a pitchside monitor in Sunday’s tie between Crystal Palace and Derby County before deciding to show Luka Milivojevic a red card. There are, though, still no plans to replicate that process in the Premier League. As this column has previously reported, officials maintain pitchside monitors should be used sparingly to save time. After seeing his captain sent off for a clash with Tom Huddlestone for which Oliver initially showed only a yellow card, Palace boss Roy Hodgson said. “If it’s going to be the referee’s decision on the field that counts, why do you bother with the VAR people sitting there in Stockley Park? Make up your mind.”
The Premier League shareholders’ meeting offers a chance to continue the discussion and gauge the feeling among clubs. However, no meaningful changes are likely to occur. So far, the sentiment of executives has not been to scale back VAR but improve it, and the Premier League is at the limit of its jurisdiction on this.
Furthermore, with Hawk-Eye (the company employed to measure offside decisions) already said to be maximising what it can do under the existing rules, there are major upgrades in the pipeline. The onus is now on football’s lawmakers, the International Football Association Board (IFAB), to consider alterations and more should become clear at its AGM in Belfast on February 29.
There is frustration within the Premier League that the organisation, its officials and the hub at Stockley Park have become the focus of growing anger in relation to VAR, when it is responsible only for implementing a set of protocols designed by IFAB and called for by the clubs.
It admits mistakes have been made around subjective decisions, like penalties and red cards, yet there are no regrets around offsides — despite that becoming the most contentious theme. The Premier League is aware that the forensic analysis used to determine some offside calls can lead to undesirable delays and controversial judgements formed on minuscule margins but it is bound by IFAB directives in this area and must use the technology available.
It, therefore, came as something of a surprise to the Premier League when IFAB general secretary Lukas Brud said last week that VAR should only be used to correct “clear and obvious” offside mistakes, which is not in line with its original guidance that offside is a factual matter.
One upside of VAR for Premier League referees is the blame it has shifted from them to the technology; it has been described by some as a welcome “comfort blanket”. There is, though, a drawback that some officials are not best pleased about: they are prevented from being appointed as a VAR if they are carrying an injury, which is bizarre considering the role requires them to work from a desk and means they miss out on receiving a fee.
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So much for it being the rules?
The reason why we are all on here is Football
The euphoria of scoring a goal ( let alone last minute) is insurmountable.
The more these goals are disallowed, the fans will be disengaged. Not great for Football whatsoever when goals are at a premium.
Tries in Rugby are more common, wickets in Cricket are over potentially 5 days, Tennis points are frequent.
Something needs to change....
They changed to VAR.... nobody (imo) can get used to it at present
VAR is the problem because football and applying its rules will never be an exact science. Stopping everything and absolutely killing those pure moments of joy for fans to fret over the application of a particular rule in a particular millisecond of play is a nonsense.
There was never a problem with refs doing their best to apply the rules in the relevant moments before, and if they called it wrong we barely noticed or didn’t really give a shit. Because that’s football. It happens. Even that outrageous thrown-in call for Fulham which absolutely did us in in the Prem - we got over it. A red card decision went our way a few days later against Villa and we won in the last minute. Swings and roundabouts. We celebrated that Bryan Hughes goal like mad without having to worry about something poxy video review to confirm it.
The rules weren’t a big issue before VAR because they were interpreted in a human way, allowing the game to flow. VAR has made something out of nothing and is obviously the problem. Tragic that they can’t just sack it straight off.
As a side note that throw in still grrrr’s me but not sure that that would ever be a VAR decision though
Part of me does think it’s ridiculous and highlights a rubbish new law of the game that needs a rethink.
But the other part of me realises how much of an advantage West Ham received from the ball hitting his hand, accidental or not.
I’m also of the firm belief that had this incident happened last season and the goal stood, we’d have the same pundits who moan about VAR now, moaning about a bad decision and how the refs need help.
Are you saying a handball by a defender in their own area, missed by the on field ref cannot go to var and a penalty awarded?
VAR is the worst thing to happen to football since Roland Duchatelet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51071770
VAR not high on agenda for Premier League bosses
Criticism of VAR may grow by the week but among those capable of influencing the situation in the Premier League, there is no appetite for the system to be suspended or scrapped. While executives from all 20 top-flight sides will gather in London for the next shareholders’ meeting on February 6, VAR does not currently feature as a significant item on the agenda.
The focus will be on issues such as the summer transfer window dates, which will be the subject of a vote, and VAR is set to be addressed only as a routine update. That will touch on how the technology is performing and the progress of a consultation with supporters and other relevant stakeholders over how its application can be improved.
VAR was used at all top-flight stadiums in the third round of the FA Cup this weekend, and referee Michael Oliver consulted a pitchside monitor in Sunday’s tie between Crystal Palace and Derby County before deciding to show Luka Milivojevic a red card. There are, though, still no plans to replicate that process in the Premier League. As this column has previously reported, officials maintain pitchside monitors should be used sparingly to save time. After seeing his captain sent off for a clash with Tom Huddlestone for which Oliver initially showed only a yellow card, Palace boss Roy Hodgson said. “If it’s going to be the referee’s decision on the field that counts, why do you bother with the VAR people sitting there in Stockley Park? Make up your mind.”
The Premier League shareholders’ meeting offers a chance to continue the discussion and gauge the feeling among clubs. However, no meaningful changes are likely to occur. So far, the sentiment of executives has not been to scale back VAR but improve it, and the Premier League is at the limit of its jurisdiction on this.
Furthermore, with Hawk-Eye (the company employed to measure offside decisions) already said to be maximising what it can do under the existing rules, there are major upgrades in the pipeline. The onus is now on football’s lawmakers, the International Football Association Board (IFAB), to consider alterations and more should become clear at its AGM in Belfast on February 29.
There is frustration within the Premier League that the organisation, its officials and the hub at Stockley Park have become the focus of growing anger in relation to VAR, when it is responsible only for implementing a set of protocols designed by IFAB and called for by the clubs.
It admits mistakes have been made around subjective decisions, like penalties and red cards, yet there are no regrets around offsides — despite that becoming the most contentious theme. The Premier League is aware that the forensic analysis used to determine some offside calls can lead to undesirable delays and controversial judgements formed on minuscule margins but it is bound by IFAB directives in this area and must use the technology available.
It, therefore, came as something of a surprise to the Premier League when IFAB general secretary Lukas Brud said last week that VAR should only be used to correct “clear and obvious” offside mistakes, which is not in line with its original guidance that offside is a factual matter.
One upside of VAR for Premier League referees is the blame it has shifted from them to the technology; it has been described by some as a welcome “comfort blanket”. There is, though, a drawback that some officials are not best pleased about: they are prevented from being appointed as a VAR if they are carrying an injury, which is bizarre considering the role requires them to work from a desk and means they miss out on receiving a fee.