VAR - are you a fan?
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stevexreeve said:PeterGage said:stackitsteve said:
UEFA will introduce thicker lines for offside decisions reviewed in the Champions League and Europa League by Video Assistant Referees [VARs], in a bid to encourage more goals from next season.
The new lines, which may yet be used in this summer's European Championships, can be used under the existing laws of football.
UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin says he has been in talks with the organisation's refereeing officials to roll out the changes to ensure sides are not "ruined" by one wrong decision.
"One centimetre offside is not offside," said Ceferin, in an exclusive interview with Sky Sports News. "Because that's not the meaning of the rule. And it has to be clear and obvious mistake for VAR to intervene.
"So, thicker lines are essential because the line is drawn subjectively. So, it's not exact and if one centimetre… you ruin the season of a club with one wrong decision. And, for me, the handball is also problematic, but I don't know what exactly to do about it. We are discussing a lot with our referee officers."
Obviously and indisputably in an offside position when viewed with the naked eye by the referee or by VAR.
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Video evidence demonstrates he is more than one mile offside even though this is not obvious to the naked eye.
This is what the original laws always intended and I believe it mirrors the way they do it in Rugby.
If you're not sure whether a player is offside and you feel the need to measure it, then by definition he isn't offside!
Its all about interpretation from the bloke in charge
I've long come to accept that VAR cant bring perfection to the Sport that people want , there are too many possible scenarios and that people should stop looking for perfection... It aint and cant happen!!0 -
I still believe the game would be better without VAR, sadly looks like its here to stay.
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cafcsinger said:I still believe the game would be better without VAR, sadly looks like its here to stay.
Can anyone say they enjoy the game more now with var than before?1 -
cafcsinger said:I still believe the game would be better without VAR, sadly looks like its here to stay.1
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As I've said before keep the goal line technology and bin the rest. VAR was supposed to erradicate errors but it is still down to individual opinion. Just rely on the opinion of the on field referee warts an all.3
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Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
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I am a fan of the idea but not the implementation.2
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clive said:
Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.0 -
I don't think Newport fans will be pleased there was no VAR in their Wembley final.0
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Callumcafc said:clive said:
Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.1 - Sponsored links:
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MuttleyCAFC said:I don't think Newport fans will be pleased there was no VAR in their Wembley final.0
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I see they’re thinking of having it at Grand Slam tennis - doing away with linesmen - linespeople.0
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SELR_addicks said:Callumcafc said:clive said:
Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.0 -
cafc999 said:SELR_addicks said:Callumcafc said:clive said:
Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.
Fans will moan regardless.0 -
cafc999 said:SELR_addicks said:Callumcafc said:clive said:
Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.4 -
I hate VAR and even with its introduction there are still disputes. It's made the game more sterile and less of a spectacle.
The press and pundits constantly criticise referees so VAR was inevitable yet they're still moaning.
Sport is imperfect and that has always been part of it. It's an escape from technology.8 -
hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I hate VAR and even with its introduction there are still disputes. It's made the game more sterile and less of a spectacle.
The press and pundits constantly criticise referees so VAR was inevitable yet they're still moaning.
Sport is imperfect and that has always been part of it. It's an escape from technology.0 -
Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?1
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addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.0 -
cafc999 said:Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?0
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addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Like all engineering solutions, there's a tolerance concerning the ball crossing a line - it's NOT exact whatever they say. But I'll accept that - it certainly doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the game.cafc999 said:Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?
Would be happy to be proved wrong.
If a winning goal is scored in the last minute of a game, at least fans would know beforehand whether they had to wait for an appeal before they could celebrate.0 -
stevexreeve said:addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Like all engineering solutions, there's a tolerance concerning the ball crossing a line - it's NOT exact whatever they say. But I'll accept that - it certainly doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the game.cafc999 said:Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?
Would be happy to be proved wrong.
If a winning goal is scored in the last minute of a game, at least fans would know beforehand whether they had to wait for an appeal before they could celebrate.
I do get your point though but I also think it's worth a try as the way VAR is being used now is, IMHO, not very good.0 -
MuttleyCAFC said:addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Then we get the lines, camera angles come out to check that its 4cm,5cm,6cm etc.
Back in the good old days I would celebrate and sometimes take a quick look at the lino to see him running back to the halfway line knowing we had just scored or I'd see the lino with his flag up knowing it would instantly be ruled out. Some were right and some were wrong but I'd take that back in a heartbeat.
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O-Randy-Hunt said:MuttleyCAFC said:addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Then we get the lines, camera angles come out to check that its 4cm,5cm,6cm etc.
Back in the good old days I would celebrate and sometimes take a quick look at the lino to see him running back to the halfway line knowing we had just scored or I'd see the lino with his flag up knowing it would instantly be ruled out. Some were right and some were wrong but I'd take that back in a heartbeat.0 -
If you're complaining about hairline decisions involving offsides, blame the rules and not VAR.
The rules literally state anything beyond the defender that can touch the ball legally is offside. They're just going by the rules.0 -
hoof_it_up_to_benty said:O-Randy-Hunt said:MuttleyCAFC said:addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Then we get the lines, camera angles come out to check that its 4cm,5cm,6cm etc.
Back in the good old days I would celebrate and sometimes take a quick look at the lino to see him running back to the halfway line knowing we had just scored or I'd see the lino with his flag up knowing it would instantly be ruled out. Some were right and some were wrong but I'd take that back in a heartbeat.
The biggest killer now is the not knowing if it's going to go to var after you've just hugged random fans and fallen down the steps. Imagine var at wembley against Sunderland. Players just about to kick off after bfg scored. Only for a couple of refs a few miles down the road to say pearce was climbing all over the sunderland player, goal ruled out.0 -
How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?0
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cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?0
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SELR_addicks said:cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?1
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Off_it said:SELR_addicks said:cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.1