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VAR - are you a fan?
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And yet you'll still get pundits, fans, players, managers all moaning that an offside in one game was given as a goal yet in game two was ruled offside despite being the exact same scenario.stevexreeve said:
It's easy - make the lines one mile thick. A player is called offside if he is either :-PeterGage said:
Lines are currently 12cms thick. Wonder what the thickness will increase to?stackitsteve said:UEFA will introduce thicker lines for offside decisions reviewed in the Champions League and Europa League by Video Assistant Referees [VARs], in a bid to encourage more goals from next season.
The new lines, which may yet be used in this summer's European Championships, can be used under the existing laws of football.
UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin says he has been in talks with the organisation's refereeing officials to roll out the changes to ensure sides are not "ruined" by one wrong decision.
"One centimetre offside is not offside," said Ceferin, in an exclusive interview with Sky Sports News. "Because that's not the meaning of the rule. And it has to be clear and obvious mistake for VAR to intervene.
"So, thicker lines are essential because the line is drawn subjectively. So, it's not exact and if one centimetre… you ruin the season of a club with one wrong decision. And, for me, the handball is also problematic, but I don't know what exactly to do about it. We are discussing a lot with our referee officers."
Obviously and indisputably in an offside position when viewed with the naked eye by the referee or by VAR.
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Video evidence demonstrates he is more than one mile offside even though this is not obvious to the naked eye.
This is what the original laws always intended and I believe it mirrors the way they do it in Rugby.
If you're not sure whether a player is offside and you feel the need to measure it, then by definition he isn't offside!
Its all about interpretation from the bloke in charge
I've long come to accept that VAR cant bring perfection to the Sport that people want , there are too many possible scenarios and that people should stop looking for perfection... It aint and cant happen!!0 -
I still believe the game would be better without VAR, sadly looks like its here to stay.
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Was just thinking the same. I thoroughly enjoyed the game so much more pre var than I do now even if it does mean a decision going against us but it's not about my enjoyment anymore.cafcsinger said:I still believe the game would be better without VAR, sadly looks like its here to stay.
Can anyone say they enjoy the game more now with var than before?1 -
I think VAR can be made to work but first football authorities have to aim for fairer rather than perfection. Perfection is unachievable. If you look at Cricket, they use technology well but captains have an input. If a captain misses out because he uses up his appeals or because he decides not to appeal a decision, it is not dwelled on and is considered part of the game.cafcsinger said:I still believe the game would be better without VAR, sadly looks like its here to stay.1 -
As I've said before keep the goal line technology and bin the rest. VAR was supposed to erradicate errors but it is still down to individual opinion. Just rely on the opinion of the on field referee warts an all.3
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Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
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I am a fan of the idea but not the implementation.2
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"Just 4% of fans think VAR has had a positive impact on the team they support, 78% think it’s been more negative."clive said:Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.0 -
I don't think Newport fans will be pleased there was no VAR in their Wembley final.0
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I bet if before VAR you asked about opinions of referees, it would be exactly the same.Callumcafc said:
"Just 4% of fans think VAR has had a positive impact on the team they support, 78% think it’s been more negative."clive said:Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.1 -
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I was pleased we didnt have it against SunderlandMuttleyCAFC said:I don't think Newport fans will be pleased there was no VAR in their Wembley final.0 -
I see they’re thinking of having it at Grand Slam tennis - doing away with linesmen - linespeople.0
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So all that money for no improvement then?SELR_addicks said:
I bet if before VAR you asked about opinions of referees, it would be exactly the same.Callumcafc said:
"Just 4% of fans think VAR has had a positive impact on the team they support, 78% think it’s been more negative."clive said:Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.0 -
There has been improvement. The problem with VAR is still the referees, not the technology.cafc999 said:
So all that money for no improvement then?SELR_addicks said:
I bet if before VAR you asked about opinions of referees, it would be exactly the same.Callumcafc said:
"Just 4% of fans think VAR has had a positive impact on the team they support, 78% think it’s been more negative."clive said:Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.
Fans will moan regardless.0 -
Yea but at least we now get the drama from a couple of chaps miles away in front of a screen spotting the pull of a shirt at the opposite end of the pitch to disallow a 90th minute winner draining the emotion from the spectators. What's not to like 🤭cafc999 said:
So all that money for no improvement then?SELR_addicks said:
I bet if before VAR you asked about opinions of referees, it would be exactly the same.Callumcafc said:
"Just 4% of fans think VAR has had a positive impact on the team they support, 78% think it’s been more negative."clive said:Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/survey-fans-say-they-will-attend-fewer-games-because-of-var/
Brilliant look into the psychology of humans.4 -
I hate VAR and even with its introduction there are still disputes. It's made the game more sterile and less of a spectacle.
The press and pundits constantly criticise referees so VAR was inevitable yet they're still moaning.
Sport is imperfect and that has always been part of it. It's an escape from technology.8 -
That is the problem. If football tried to make things better but accept they can't make it perfect they would implement it better. There are issues outside of VAR like the total mess the law relating to hand ball has become. I'd like to see everything stripped out and leave it to the ref to decide whether a player intended to handle the ball or not.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I hate VAR and even with its introduction there are still disputes. It's made the game more sterile and less of a spectacle.
The press and pundits constantly criticise referees so VAR was inevitable yet they're still moaning.
Sport is imperfect and that has always been part of it. It's an escape from technology.0 -
Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?1
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Yes, the technology, whilst clearly being accurate has made some offisides look ridiculous. Maybe there is a case for the rules to be changed to fall in line with the technology like allow a five centimetre leeway which the computer can easily calculate in the moment.addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.0 -
I think this is the way forwards. But you have to give up the principal that every decision will be a perfect one. if a team uses up its appeal in cricket it doesn't generally complain or moan about a wrong decision and that is the sort of mindset I think football needs to get into. Use technology automatically for offsides and goal line but then allow the team a tool to prevent a major miscarriage of justice.cafc999 said:Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?0 -
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Or how you can tell the exact moment in time that a ball is last touching the passing players foot? Does it count if the ball is skimming the players laces or does the ball have to be in full contact over an area of at least a square millimetre? They never show how they manage to work this out but they do show millimetre thin lines across frozen players hairy kneecaps. It's a joke!addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Like all engineering solutions, there's a tolerance concerning the ball crossing a line - it's NOT exact whatever they say. But I'll accept that - it certainly doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the game.
Don't think it would work for multiple reasons but I would certainly be happy if they gave it a try.cafc999 said:Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?
Would be happy to be proved wrong.
If a winning goal is scored in the last minute of a game, at least fans would know beforehand whether they had to wait for an appeal before they could celebrate.0 -
They may have used there appeal by then?stevexreeve said:
Or how you can tell the exact moment in time that a ball is last touching the passing players foot? Does it count if the ball is skimming the players laces or does the ball have to be in full contact over an area of at least a square millimetre? They never show how they manage to work this out but they do show millimetre thin lines across frozen players hairy kneecaps. It's a joke!addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Like all engineering solutions, there's a tolerance concerning the ball crossing a line - it's NOT exact whatever they say. But I'll accept that - it certainly doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the game.
Don't think it would work for multiple reasons but I would certainly be happy if they gave it a try.cafc999 said:Maybe should take a leaf out of the NFL where each team has 1 appeal to use?
Would be happy to be proved wrong.
If a winning goal is scored in the last minute of a game, at least fans would know beforehand whether they had to wait for an appeal before they could celebrate.
I do get your point though but I also think it's worth a try as the way VAR is being used now is, IMHO, not very good.0 -
That still wont take away the fact a goal can be scored. The linesman flag stays down. Both teams get in position for kick off. Only for a message to come up on the big screen saying 'Var checking potential offside'MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes, the technology, whilst clearly being accurate has made some offisides look ridiculous. Maybe there is a case for the rules to be changed to fall in line with the technology like allow a five centimetre leeway which the computer can easily calculate in the moment.addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Then we get the lines, camera angles come out to check that its 4cm,5cm,6cm etc.
Back in the good old days I would celebrate and sometimes take a quick look at the lino to see him running back to the halfway line knowing we had just scored or I'd see the lino with his flag up knowing it would instantly be ruled out. Some were right and some were wrong but I'd take that back in a heartbeat.
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I'd be curious to know how many they got wrong - I never felt the figures were that bad.O-Randy-Hunt said:
That still wont take away the fact a goal can be scored. The linesman flag stays down. Both teams get in position for kick off. Only for a message to come up on the big screen saying 'Var checking potential offside'MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes, the technology, whilst clearly being accurate has made some offisides look ridiculous. Maybe there is a case for the rules to be changed to fall in line with the technology like allow a five centimetre leeway which the computer can easily calculate in the moment.addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Then we get the lines, camera angles come out to check that its 4cm,5cm,6cm etc.
Back in the good old days I would celebrate and sometimes take a quick look at the lino to see him running back to the halfway line knowing we had just scored or I'd see the lino with his flag up knowing it would instantly be ruled out. Some were right and some were wrong but I'd take that back in a heartbeat.0 -
If you're complaining about hairline decisions involving offsides, blame the rules and not VAR.
The rules literally state anything beyond the defender that can touch the ball legally is offside. They're just going by the rules.0 -
I'm sure the rights would have outdone the wrongs but even so it's part and parcel of the game. We come home from a match and see it on tv and make a decision for ourselves. I'd imagine they would even themselves out over the season.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'd be curious to know how many they got wrong - I never felt the figures were that bad.O-Randy-Hunt said:
That still wont take away the fact a goal can be scored. The linesman flag stays down. Both teams get in position for kick off. Only for a message to come up on the big screen saying 'Var checking potential offside'MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes, the technology, whilst clearly being accurate has made some offisides look ridiculous. Maybe there is a case for the rules to be changed to fall in line with the technology like allow a five centimetre leeway which the computer can easily calculate in the moment.addick1956 said:Being offside by a knee cap or nipple seems ridiculous and actually is.
How a player or official can judge that is beyond anyone's ability.
If a foot or leg is beyond defence , fine but frankly the way it is used now VAR should be limited to balls crossing lines.
Then we get the lines, camera angles come out to check that its 4cm,5cm,6cm etc.
Back in the good old days I would celebrate and sometimes take a quick look at the lino to see him running back to the halfway line knowing we had just scored or I'd see the lino with his flag up knowing it would instantly be ruled out. Some were right and some were wrong but I'd take that back in a heartbeat.
The biggest killer now is the not knowing if it's going to go to var after you've just hugged random fans and fallen down the steps. Imagine var at wembley against Sunderland. Players just about to kick off after bfg scored. Only for a couple of refs a few miles down the road to say pearce was climbing all over the sunderland player, goal ruled out.0 -
How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?0
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Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?0 -
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?1 -
The error was made by the referee and not the VAR technology.Off_it said:
The Cavani goal for Man U vs FulhamSELR_addicks said:
Why? Point to a single incorrect offside decision VAR has made.cafc999 said:How about take offsides out of the equation and just use it for fouls inside the box, or better still, just completely bin it off?
Basically proven my point.1
