We took the Iranian tanker as it was going to supply oil to Syria banned under EU sanctions--------- nice to see our good European mates now backing us up.
Give them their tanker back ,fuc k the EU sanctions.Let the navy's of Cyprus,Eire,Belguim,Holland, etc enforce the sanctions.
EU haven’t given any statements in support. BA cancel flights to Cairo for 7 days presumably based on intel received. No other EU airlines have done so, presumably because we haven’t shared intel?
Don’t help us, we don’t help you?
I'm sorry, but that's complete tin-hat nonsense. You're not really suggesting that BA have intelligence about a threat to flights to Cairo and chosen not to share it with other airlines? And they have done this as a tit for tat measure as a response to the EU not giving statements in support of the UK?
Surely you don't need anyone to point out what rubbish that is. Can you imagine the litigation if that were true and a known threat took place on another airline? Do you really think that BA wouldn't share intelligence with other EU airlines like Aer Lingus, Iberia, LEVEL and Vueling who are all, like BA, owned by IAG?
Oh and, by the way, here's what the German Foreign Ministry has said tonight:
This is an unjustifiable intervention in civilian shipping that further exacerbates what is already a tense situation. We call on Iran to release the second ship and its crew without delay. A further escalation in the region would be very dangerous and would also undermine all ongoing efforts to find a way out of the current crisis.
And, while expressing "full solidarity with the UK", the French Foreign Ministry said
We call on Iranian authorities to free the boat and its crew as soon as possible and to respect the principles of free navigation in the Gulf.
"We call on Iranian authorities to free the boat and its crew as soon as possible and to respect the principles of free navigation in the Gulf".
The French don't fuck about, do they? That'll learn those pesky Iranians.
Either the French have, or have not issued statement in support of Britain. By sharing this fragment of the French Foreign Ministry's statement, I wanted to point out that, in fact, they have.
You can counter that with Britain's statements - or lack thereof - on the capture of Fariba Adelkhah a dual French citizen. She's being held in Iran, the French are demanding her release, the British have done nothing. (That may, in fact, be good news to her, considering our previous Foreign Secretary's disastrous intervention when the Iranians detained Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe).
The words I quoted may not be the hardest-hitting, but they give the lie to the claim that "the EU haven't given any statements in support".
The BBC News website - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49059066 - has a quote from the European Union's foreign affairs office. I guess you'll choose to ignore that as a biased source too though.
That release is not exactly what I'd call supportive, if it's even true, I prefer my sources to be a little stronger than propoganda tools of the Comm. Party, maybe google will help, when I have access in the morning.
I love it when unfit middle aged men talk about using military power as if they were tooling up rather than wanting to see some rather younger men shoot and bomb some other young men women and children.
The BBC News website - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49059066 - has a quote from the European Union's foreign affairs office. I guess you'll choose to ignore that as a biased source too though.
Also calling for the release of the ship, the European Union's foreign affairs office, which represents 28 member states, expressed "deep concern" and urged for "restraint to avoid further tensions".
Who are they 'urging' restraint from though?
Nothing on any official EU website. And the BBC can't even name the of the European Union's Foreign Affairs Council correct in their report.
The BBC News website - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49059066 - has a quote from the European Union's foreign affairs office. I guess you'll choose to ignore that as a biased source too though.
Also calling for the release of the ship, the European Union's foreign affairs office, which represents 28 member states, expressed "deep concern" and urged for "restraint to avoid further tensions".
We took the Iranian tanker as it was going to supply oil to Syria banned under EU sanctions--------- nice to see our good European mates now backing us up.
Give them their tanker back ,fuc k the EU sanctions.Let the navy's of Cyprus,Eire,Belguim,Holland, etc enforce the sanctions.
EU haven’t given any statements in support. BA cancel flights to Cairo for 7 days presumably based on intel received. No other EU airlines have done so, presumably because we haven’t shared intel?
Don’t help us, we don’t help you?
Similar to 1939? Leave it to the Royal Navy, they know what they're doing.
If our country had done what they have and they lived near by I’d get them out of harms way
its an act of war and aggression and we need to treat it like such
the Iranian government have put their people at risk no one else we need to show them that you don’t do it
bombs to be dropped
Who would you drop the bombs on? Would you drop them somewhere close to where the sailors from the British ship is being held? Or would you drop them on some other, highly-populated area?
If you want to pursue a successful foreign policy you need to understand the history of a region - you ignore lessons of history at your peril.
If the best we can manage is a simple knee-jerk reaction then we won't get very far. Bolton in the US is desperate for war in the region and it would be easy to escalate things.
Iran wants a reaction though. All these Middle East countries push and push until there is a response, so they can then bleat to their oppressed citizens how the West continue to attack them. They are actively willing innocents get killed for their own internal agendas.
The middle East's only democracy and LGBT friendly state has been under attack from Iran and Iran funded terror groups for years but has defended itself.
And Israel will stand by its allies in the democratic west, which will be another reason for the Corbyn cult to hate it along with anyone who shares the same religion or just doesn't back the brutal, homophobic, misogynist "but they're ok as they are anti USA" Iranians.
Not that that excuses Trump's ramping up of the Sunni/Shi'ite conflict that has been playing out between Iran and the Saudis.
We took the Iranian tanker as it was going to supply oil to Syria banned under EU sanctions--------- nice to see our good European mates now backing us up.
Give them their tanker back ,fuc k the EU sanctions.Let the navy's of Cyprus,Eire,Belguim,Holland, etc enforce the sanctions.
Iran and Syria aren't in the EU, so did we have to stick our beak in?
We surely can't have expected to take their tanker and Iran not react?
Identify and release a statement that three strategic “non civilian” military targets will be targeted for destruction if the tanker is not released in the next seventy two hours. Easy enough to carry out using drones, unmanned aircraft or ballistic missiles from Naval vessels. Ad infinitum.
I think you'll find the Grace 1 was travelling through EU waters illegally which gives EU member states the right to impound it.
And of course we expected Iran to react, which is why the RN have seven warships in the region (Montrose, Ledbury. Blyth, Brocklesby, Shoreham and Cardigan Bay) as part of Operation Kipion and the new naval base in Bahrain (HMS Jufair), but even they cannot be everywhere within the Straits.
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Surely you don't need anyone to point out what rubbish that is. Can you imagine the litigation if that were true and a known threat took place on another airline? Do you really think that BA wouldn't share intelligence with other EU airlines like Aer Lingus, Iberia, LEVEL and Vueling who are all, like BA, owned by IAG?
And, if it were true, would Lufthansa also have cancelled flights to Cairo tonight? https://www.ft.com/content/c65fc17e-ab2b-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2
Oh and, by the way, here's what the German Foreign Ministry has said tonight:
And, while expressing "full solidarity with the UK", the French Foreign Ministry said
You can see a joint statement by the British, German and French Foreign Ministries here: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/iran/events/article/iran-joint-statement-by-the-foreign-ministers-of-france-germany-and-the-united
Conspiracy theories are fun. But they work much better when they can't be debunked quite so quickly and completely.
The French don't fuck about, do they? That'll learn those pesky Iranians.
You can counter that with Britain's statements - or lack thereof - on the capture of Fariba Adelkhah a dual French citizen. She's being held in Iran, the French are demanding her release, the British have done nothing. (That may, in fact, be good news to her, considering our previous Foreign Secretary's disastrous intervention when the Iranians detained Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe).
The words I quoted may not be the hardest-hitting, but they give the lie to the claim that "the EU haven't given any statements in support".
Always have done.
You're calling a distinction between the EU and the members of the EU?
*sigh*
OK, here you go...
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/21/c_138243833.htm
https://europa.eu/newsroom/home_en
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/
#cheerslads
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49059066
No doubt I'm a snowflake.
Who are they 'urging' restraint from though?
Nothing on any official EU website. And the BBC can't even name the of the European Union's Foreign Affairs Council correct in their report.
its an act of war and aggression and we need to treat it like such
the Iranian government have put their people at risk no one else we need to show them that you don’t do it
bombs to be dropped
there needs to to be a reaction to what is an attack on a British vessel in Omanian waters not Iranian
that reaction needs to be swift swift strong and forceful w
If the best we can manage is a simple knee-jerk reaction then we won't get very far. Bolton in the US is desperate for war in the region and it would be easy to escalate things.
The middle East's only democracy and LGBT friendly state has been under attack from Iran and Iran funded terror groups for years but has defended itself.
And Israel will stand by its allies in the democratic west, which will be another reason for the Corbyn cult to hate it along with anyone who shares the same religion or just doesn't back the brutal, homophobic, misogynist "but they're ok as they are anti USA" Iranians.
Not that that excuses Trump's ramping up of the Sunni/Shi'ite conflict that has been playing out between Iran and the Saudis.
We surely can't have expected to take their tanker and Iran not react?
Easy enough to carry out using drones, unmanned aircraft or ballistic missiles from Naval vessels.
Ad infinitum.
And of course we expected Iran to react, which is why the RN have seven warships in the region (Montrose, Ledbury. Blyth, Brocklesby, Shoreham and Cardigan Bay) as part of Operation Kipion and the new naval base in Bahrain (HMS Jufair), but even they cannot be everywhere within the Straits.