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one of the crew of the 'British' tanker is Russian .. get Putin to 'ave a word0
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Please don'tLincsaddick said:one of the crew of the 'British' tanker is Russian .. get Putin to 'ave a word3 -
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A British ship with no British crew owned by a Swedish company.0
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Sounds like a Starbucks franchise.0
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Very true. One of the problems with countries like Iran - and Iraq - is that you are not dealing with one political group. These countries are 'governed' by disparate religious groups which really complicate matters.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:If you want to pursue a successful foreign policy you need to understand the history of a region - you ignore lessons of history at your peril.
If the best we can manage is a simple knee-jerk reaction then we won't get very far. Bolton in the US is desperate for war in the region and it would be easy to escalate things.1 -
This where the RAF (and USAF) come to the fore - hopefully.Addickted said:I think you'll find the Grace 1 was travelling through EU waters illegally which gives EU member states the right to impound it.
And of course we expected Iran to react, which is why the RN have seven warships in the region (Montrose, Ledbury. Blyth, Brocklesby, Shoreham and Cardigan Bay) as part of Operation Kipion and the new naval base in Bahrain (HMS Jufair), but even they cannot be everywhere within the Straits.0 -
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Gibraltar is not in the EU, neither is Morroco and I believe Spain has been critical of the seizure. If we are going to interfere in affairs outside the UK, we need more justification than that given in our lapdog press. Plus retaliation has been on the cards for over a week. Where is our expensive navy and air force? If the ship's GPS was hacked, why wasn't it remotely monitored by Department of Defence and warned ? This is what you get with morons like Mourdant in positions of power.Addickted said:I think you'll find the Grace 1 was travelling through EU waters illegally which gives EU member states the right to impound it.
And of course we expected Iran to react, which is why the RN have seven warships in the region (Montrose, Ledbury. Blyth, Brocklesby, Shoreham and Cardigan Bay) as part of Operation Kipion and the new naval base in Bahrain (HMS Jufair), but even they cannot be everywhere within the Straits.4 -
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Only to the same extent that Bromley isn't.harveys_gardener said:
Gibraltar is not in the EU, neither is Morroco and I believe Spain has been critical of the seizure. If we are going to interfere in affairs outside the UK, we need more justification than that given in our lapdog press. Plus retaliation has been on the cards for over a week. Where is our expensive navy and air force? If the ship's GPS was hacked, why wasn't it remotely monitored by Department of Defence and warned ? This is what you get with morons like Mourdant in positions of power.Addickted said:I think you'll find the Grace 1 was travelling through EU waters illegally which gives EU member states the right to impound it.
And of course we expected Iran to react, which is why the RN have seven warships in the region (Montrose, Ledbury. Blyth, Brocklesby, Shoreham and Cardigan Bay) as part of Operation Kipion and the new naval base in Bahrain (HMS Jufair), but even they cannot be everywhere within the Straits.
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If Gibraltar is not part of the eu why did they get the opportunity to vote in the referendum.2
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Chizz said:
Only to the same extent that Bromley isn't.harveys_gardener said:
Gibraltar is not in the EU, neither is Morroco and I believe Spain has been critical of the seizure. If we are going to interfere in affairs outside the UK, we need more justification than that given in our lapdog press. Plus retaliation has been on the cards for over a week. Where is our expensive navy and air force? If the ship's GPS was hacked, why wasn't it remotely monitored by Department of Defence and warned ? This is what you get with morons like Mourdant in positions of power.Addickted said:I think you'll find the Grace 1 was travelling through EU waters illegally which gives EU member states the right to impound it.
And of course we expected Iran to react, which is why the RN have seven warships in the region (Montrose, Ledbury. Blyth, Brocklesby, Shoreham and Cardigan Bay) as part of Operation Kipion and the new naval base in Bahrain (HMS Jufair), but even they cannot be everywhere within the Straits.
Bromley isn't a British Overseas Territory, although I can imagine there would be some tax benefits if it was so let's make it happen.
Gib voted in the 2016 referendum as it is a British Overseas Territory, and as such joined the EU (EEC as was) along with the United Kingdom in 1973.0 -
Gibraltar is considered a colony of the UK. It does not have a vote on the council and I believe it has only to follow it's jurisdiction on trade not EU laws. It is a very gray area, but to glibbly claim the ship was in EU waters needs examination. If it is a free borderless member of the EU, try telling that to the queues in and out of Spain every day.0
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It's in the EU, therefore its waters are very much EU waters.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union
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I don't know if you have noticed but the UK has controlled borders with other most EU States and is , at least for now, a member of the EU.harveys_gardener said:Gibraltar is considered a colony of the UK. It does not have a vote on the council and I believe it has only to follow it's jurisdiction on trade not EU laws. It is a very gray area, but to glibbly claim the ship was in EU waters needs examination. If it is a free borderless member of the EU, try telling that to the queues in and out of Spain every day.
Running oil to a fellow murderous and oppressive Syrian regime is the issue not some fantasy excuse about Gib not being in the EU but as ever the Corbyn cult takes the side of any regime or terror group, no matter how vile, just as long as they are anti-USA.8 -
On what basis is Iran a terrorist state? They were invaded by Iraq with UK/US support. That turned out to be a successful partnership didn't it? When did Syria last invade another country? We are up to our armpits in that nation's troubles as well. In my lifetime we have been in over directly involved a dozen wars against smaller countries, implicated involvement in many more, none of which threatened our coastline, does that not make us s Terrorist State. I fucking hate bullies.4
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But it is OK to cosy up to murderous oppressive regimes like Saudi, Israel, previously Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Bahrain.Henry Irving said:
I don't know if you have noticed but the UK has controlled borders with other most EU States and is , at least for now, a member of the EU.harveys_gardener said:Gibraltar is considered a colony of the UK. It does not have a vote on the council and I believe it has only to follow it's jurisdiction on trade not EU laws. It is a very gray area, but to glibbly claim the ship was in EU waters needs examination. If it is a free borderless member of the EU, try telling that to the queues in and out of Spain every day.
Running oil to a fellow murderous and oppressive Syrian regime is the issue not some fantasy excuse about Gib not being in the EU but as ever the Corbyn cult takes the side of any regime or terror group, no matter how vile, just as long as they are anti-USA.
Our supposed greatest ally had its president with a s smug smile, while his supporters chanted send her back, about a Somali born US citizen. But I agree it is all Corbyn s fault.1 -
So they're only nasty oppressive regimes if you say they are.
Like Gibraltar not being part of the EU.
Weird.
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Addicted you need to finesse your post. I have explained the grey areas of Gibraltar being "part of the EU" such as they don't have a vote on the council. Put up or shut up. Please justify why you think the regimes I've mentioned are not murderous.
If you can't manage more than knee jerk comments, don't bother posting.0 -
harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.
The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
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Game set and matchAddickted said:harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
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As regards murderous regimes, we seem to have thousands of both Iranians and Syrians desperately trying to get into this country as asylum seekers - even illegally.
Certainly cannot think of any small boats crossing the channel filled with Saudi, Turkish or Israeli refugees fleeing oppression in their Countries.
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Just before we issue the final instructions, can you confirm which country's bastards are to be bombed? And where - roughly - are these bastards?nth london addick said:
Game set and matchAddickted said:harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
now bomb the bstds
And, although it's nit-picking somewhat, are you at all bothered as to whether any of our bastards get caught up in the bombing?0 -
How would they get caught up in the bombing......no land troops would be involved?Chizz said:
Just before we issue the final instructions, can you confirm which country's bastards are to be bombed? And where - roughly - are these bastards?nth london addick said:
Game set and matchAddickted said:harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
now bomb the bstds
And, although it's nit-picking somewhat, are you at all bothered as to whether any of our bastards get caught up in the bombing?0 -
We don’t have bstds only god loving queen adoring men and women now bomb the bstdsChizz said:
Just before we issue the final instructions, can you confirm which country's bastards are to be bombed? And where - roughly - are these bastards?nth london addick said:
Game set and matchAddickted said:harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
now bomb the bstds
And, although it's nit-picking somewhat, are you at all bothered as to whether any of our bastards get caught up in the bombing?1 -
Well, if we are bombing people who have taken possession of one of "our" ships, it's likely that the sailors from that ship might be in the vicinity. No?SoundAsa£ said:
How would they get caught up in the bombing......no land troops would be involved?Chizz said:
Just before we issue the final instructions, can you confirm which country's bastards are to be bombed? And where - roughly - are these bastards?nth london addick said:
Game set and matchAddickted said:harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
now bomb the bstds
And, although it's nit-picking somewhat, are you at all bothered as to whether any of our bastards get caught up in the bombing?0 -
“Round em up, put em in a field and bomb the bastards” 4 -
It's ok they are foreignChizz said:
Well, if we are bombing people who have taken possession of one of "our" ships, it's likely that the sailors from that ship might be in the vicinity. No?SoundAsa£ said:
How would they get caught up in the bombing......no land troops would be involved?Chizz said:
Just before we issue the final instructions, can you confirm which country's bastards are to be bombed? And where - roughly - are these bastards?nth london addick said:
Game set and matchAddickted said:harveys_gardener said:Put up or shut up.The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles.
Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar.
Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar.
now bomb the bstds
And, although it's nit-picking somewhat, are you at all bothered as to whether any of our bastards get caught up in the bombing?2
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