Checking ID at The Valley
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oohaahmortimer said:Halix said:oohaahmortimer said:Airman Brown said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SoundAsa£ said:suzisausage said:LenGlover said:East_Stand_Loopy said:Baldybonce said:Halix said:oohaahmortimer said:sam3110 said:If you want to buy a ticket that requires you to be in a certain age bracket, expect to be questioned if you don't look that age/are borderline on that age.
They put out a warning before the first game of the season, what more could they have done?
I think a clear alert when you buy a concession ticket online as to the requirements of ID being needed would make sense and that is what more can be done
apologies if it already is
What sort of ID is a 16 year old supposed to carry.
Yes, your son has got the wrong end of it, but in the future he can take his passport, or some sort of ID to prove his age.
Take any complaints with those who think being a crook is in any way cool, or clever...
That's a big problem of society today in my opinion. Broad brush approach inconveniencing everyone rather than rooting out and punishing the scum.
I agree they need to advertise more widely they are clamping down on those sneakies, but it doesn't sit right with me criticizing the club for trying to find out who is taking advantage of the club.
I don’t get those who justify doing so by implying they are cheating Duchatalet and not the club. Oh come on, I ain’t having that, who are you kidding.....let’s be honest here, you’d do it anyway......... Duchatalet or no Duchatalet.
It's the same as people who nick tv through kodi or pirate sports events or bunk the trains...just a sense of entitlement that they deserve it and are justified in the reasons for doing so and the rest of the mugs who pay subscriptions to allow the services to be created and sustained in the first place are mugs.
Couldn't give a monkey's really but the self convincing justification for diddling our club or tv companies etc are very flimsy and are similar in mindset to those who develop justifications for taking what they haven't paid for because they're entitled.
One thing bunking in as a skint kid but consciously doing your own club out of dough as an adult is weird to me despite whatever flaky justification is imagined.
in fact since there is virtually no cost of sale to an individual ticket and no opportunity cost someone paying a concession price instead of staying away entirely is doing him a favour.
my small way of saying fuck you , you’ve bent the love of my life over and fucked it in front of me whilst not bothered about the stress caused to me and my family .
others can be bought and turn a blind eye , not me
we all have different Charlton moral compasses but limiting every penny that prick gets from me is my way of living with my Charlton self .
its simple, a bit of notice is required to warn people with concession tickets that they will require ID , it’s common sense and courtesy .
i have no complaint with checks or getting caught but letting people know what is required is just simple stuff but I guess simple stuff is hard for some to comprehend
Its quite straightforward, but will need some building work. If you turn up at the gate and you fail the appropriate Charlton height test for the relevant ticket, a hole in the ground opens up and you drop into the pit of Ordure.
PS I forgot, of course some amendment would also need to be made to the tickets terms and conditions stating that any attempt to defraud the club or breach its rules may involve that person plunging into a huge pit of shit.1 -
Halix said:oohaahmortimer said:Halix said:oohaahmortimer said:Airman Brown said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SoundAsa£ said:suzisausage said:LenGlover said:East_Stand_Loopy said:Baldybonce said:Halix said:oohaahmortimer said:sam3110 said:If you want to buy a ticket that requires you to be in a certain age bracket, expect to be questioned if you don't look that age/are borderline on that age.
They put out a warning before the first game of the season, what more could they have done?
I think a clear alert when you buy a concession ticket online as to the requirements of ID being needed would make sense and that is what more can be done
apologies if it already is
What sort of ID is a 16 year old supposed to carry.
Yes, your son has got the wrong end of it, but in the future he can take his passport, or some sort of ID to prove his age.
Take any complaints with those who think being a crook is in any way cool, or clever...
That's a big problem of society today in my opinion. Broad brush approach inconveniencing everyone rather than rooting out and punishing the scum.
I agree they need to advertise more widely they are clamping down on those sneakies, but it doesn't sit right with me criticizing the club for trying to find out who is taking advantage of the club.
I don’t get those who justify doing so by implying they are cheating Duchatalet and not the club. Oh come on, I ain’t having that, who are you kidding.....let’s be honest here, you’d do it anyway......... Duchatalet or no Duchatalet.
It's the same as people who nick tv through kodi or pirate sports events or bunk the trains...just a sense of entitlement that they deserve it and are justified in the reasons for doing so and the rest of the mugs who pay subscriptions to allow the services to be created and sustained in the first place are mugs.
Couldn't give a monkey's really but the self convincing justification for diddling our club or tv companies etc are very flimsy and are similar in mindset to those who develop justifications for taking what they haven't paid for because they're entitled.
One thing bunking in as a skint kid but consciously doing your own club out of dough as an adult is weird to me despite whatever flaky justification is imagined.
in fact since there is virtually no cost of sale to an individual ticket and no opportunity cost someone paying a concession price instead of staying away entirely is doing him a favour.
my small way of saying fuck you , you’ve bent the love of my life over and fucked it in front of me whilst not bothered about the stress caused to me and my family .
others can be bought and turn a blind eye , not me
we all have different Charlton moral compasses but limiting every penny that prick gets from me is my way of living with my Charlton self .
its simple, a bit of notice is required to warn people with concession tickets that they will require ID , it’s common sense and courtesy .
i have no complaint with checks or getting caught but letting people know what is required is just simple stuff but I guess simple stuff is hard for some to comprehend
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I'll be attending my first home game of the season today and very much looking forward to it.
I bought my 'concession' ticket online. It's an over 65 ticket because I'm over 65.
I've heard a rumour there may be checks to see if I'm really over 65. With my boyish good looks there could be a problem. So I'm taking my driving licence along too..............simple really.
Before you all start howling at me;
Yes the issue is more complicated than that. Yes the communication has been poorly handled and yes in the future a better system needs to be devised.
But for many concessions it's really not a huge inconvenience.
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LenGlover said:DOUCHER said:
RD has made a right mess of running the club which will end up costing him a lot of money - what he can't be accused of however is ripping fans off by raising ticket prices. That will be the topic for a future owner and future protests I'm sure. Its all good at the moment - the football is very good, the atmosphere is very good, the season ticket prices are very good. If you are border line under 18 or 11 or over 65 and are getting your knickers in a twist about having to carry a form of ID, then you need to get some real problems to get angry about. Personally, i haven't cheated the system but i can see why people have and do accept that a lot of those wouldn't have done so in the past and it is about RD. However, its understandable them clamping down on it now.
Members of my family fought (and died) in wars to save us from that kind of intrusion.
There is a principle of personal freedom here. We are too willing to follow corporate diktats regarding required papers, payment methods etc. It's about time we kicked back against unreasonable behaviour.
perhaps we should re-enact the closing scene of Schindlers List but instead of the surviving Jewish people, we can have a few 17 year olds tearfully going through the east stand turnstiles.
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rikofold said:Airman Brown said:Rob7Lee said:https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5d60091519eda/advice-for-fans-purchasing-concession-tickets-to-games-at-the-valley?utm_campaign=349788_Copy of Pre-Match Brentford v2 23.08.2019 17:03:01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd&dm_i=4W9V,7HWC,1C9RZ3,RNF5,1
Supporters purchasing concession tickets should be aware that ID checks will be in place for those who may appear close to, or outside, the relevant age groups.
Appropriate identification includes a driving license, passport or any other photographic ID that shows date of birth. The club will also accept a copy/photograph of these documents provided the date of birth is clearly legible.
At Wednesday’s game, against Nottingham Forest, the club carried out checks in the Covered End and had to confiscate 37 concession tickets, a large proportion of which were adults who had purchased U11 tickets.
The club will continue to take steps to make fans aware of the heightened concession controls that they will face upon entering the stadium. These include adding a note on all confirmation emails, updating the ticketing terms and conditions, making it clear on all physical tickets and in articles on the club website.
Season ticket holders are also reminded to bring along appropriate identification alongside their season ticket if challenged. Any fan found to be using another individuals season ticket without informing the ticket office prior to any game will also have their ticket confiscated from them. If any season ticket holder wishes to assign their ticket to another individual, they will need to contact our ticket office with the name and age of the individual the wish to transfer the ticket to.
If you have any questions about the controls or wish to know what qualifies as ID, please contact our ticket office by emailing tickets@cafc.co.uk or calling on 03330 14 44 44.
Proof of age requirement for season tickets was in the Ts & Cs when I was a holder, and I've not bought one for at least 3 years. Let's be real, the only point at which the club can enforce proof of age is at the point of use - a 40 year old can happily buy a drink in a pub, but risks the drink being taken away if he then gives it to his 15 year old.
Let's put it this way - do we honestly think a court would decide that the club was in breach of its agreed conditions of sale for checking that the grey haired, pot-bellied, balding gentlemen really was under 11?
Bottom line, people do it because they've been able to get away with it - enforcing it has always and always will be at the club's discretion. Pick your battles, this one doesn't have legs.
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Airman Brown said:rikofold said:Airman Brown said:Rob7Lee said:https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5d60091519eda/advice-for-fans-purchasing-concession-tickets-to-games-at-the-valley?utm_campaign=349788_Copy of Pre-Match Brentford v2 23.08.2019 17:03:01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd&dm_i=4W9V,7HWC,1C9RZ3,RNF5,1
Supporters purchasing concession tickets should be aware that ID checks will be in place for those who may appear close to, or outside, the relevant age groups.
Appropriate identification includes a driving license, passport or any other photographic ID that shows date of birth. The club will also accept a copy/photograph of these documents provided the date of birth is clearly legible.
At Wednesday’s game, against Nottingham Forest, the club carried out checks in the Covered End and had to confiscate 37 concession tickets, a large proportion of which were adults who had purchased U11 tickets.
The club will continue to take steps to make fans aware of the heightened concession controls that they will face upon entering the stadium. These include adding a note on all confirmation emails, updating the ticketing terms and conditions, making it clear on all physical tickets and in articles on the club website.
Season ticket holders are also reminded to bring along appropriate identification alongside their season ticket if challenged. Any fan found to be using another individuals season ticket without informing the ticket office prior to any game will also have their ticket confiscated from them. If any season ticket holder wishes to assign their ticket to another individual, they will need to contact our ticket office with the name and age of the individual the wish to transfer the ticket to.
If you have any questions about the controls or wish to know what qualifies as ID, please contact our ticket office by emailing tickets@cafc.co.uk or calling on 03330 14 44 44.
Proof of age requirement for season tickets was in the Ts & Cs when I was a holder, and I've not bought one for at least 3 years. Let's be real, the only point at which the club can enforce proof of age is at the point of use - a 40 year old can happily buy a drink in a pub, but risks the drink being taken away if he then gives it to his 15 year old.
Let's put it this way - do we honestly think a court would decide that the club was in breach of its agreed conditions of sale for checking that the grey haired, pot-bellied, balding gentlemen really was under 11?
Bottom line, people do it because they've been able to get away with it - enforcing it has always and always will be at the club's discretion. Pick your battles, this one doesn't have legs.0 -
Stu_of_Kunming said:Airman Brown said:rikofold said:Airman Brown said:Rob7Lee said:https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5d60091519eda/advice-for-fans-purchasing-concession-tickets-to-games-at-the-valley?utm_campaign=349788_Copy of Pre-Match Brentford v2 23.08.2019 17:03:01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Charlton Athletic Football Club Ltd&dm_i=4W9V,7HWC,1C9RZ3,RNF5,1
Supporters purchasing concession tickets should be aware that ID checks will be in place for those who may appear close to, or outside, the relevant age groups.
Appropriate identification includes a driving license, passport or any other photographic ID that shows date of birth. The club will also accept a copy/photograph of these documents provided the date of birth is clearly legible.
At Wednesday’s game, against Nottingham Forest, the club carried out checks in the Covered End and had to confiscate 37 concession tickets, a large proportion of which were adults who had purchased U11 tickets.
The club will continue to take steps to make fans aware of the heightened concession controls that they will face upon entering the stadium. These include adding a note on all confirmation emails, updating the ticketing terms and conditions, making it clear on all physical tickets and in articles on the club website.
Season ticket holders are also reminded to bring along appropriate identification alongside their season ticket if challenged. Any fan found to be using another individuals season ticket without informing the ticket office prior to any game will also have their ticket confiscated from them. If any season ticket holder wishes to assign their ticket to another individual, they will need to contact our ticket office with the name and age of the individual the wish to transfer the ticket to.
If you have any questions about the controls or wish to know what qualifies as ID, please contact our ticket office by emailing tickets@cafc.co.uk or calling on 03330 14 44 44.
Proof of age requirement for season tickets was in the Ts & Cs when I was a holder, and I've not bought one for at least 3 years. Let's be real, the only point at which the club can enforce proof of age is at the point of use - a 40 year old can happily buy a drink in a pub, but risks the drink being taken away if he then gives it to his 15 year old.
Let's put it this way - do we honestly think a court would decide that the club was in breach of its agreed conditions of sale for checking that the grey haired, pot-bellied, balding gentlemen really was under 11?
Bottom line, people do it because they've been able to get away with it - enforcing it has always and always will be at the club's discretion. Pick your battles, this one doesn't have legs.
This is basic stuff. I did it for years so I know how it works.
All I’m saying is that any change now has no effect whatsoever on 10,000 sales already made. It’s the club that has said it intends to make such changes.
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I had the loan of an adult season ticket on Weds, while the owner is on holiday, I've also got it today. Now do I tell the owner that he needs to email the club telling them I am using it or risk being as for ID and then having to hand over the season ticket?1
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Email received this morning
Dear Supporter,
Thank you very much for purchasing a ticket for our game against Brentford this afternoon. We have noticed that as part of your transaction, you have purchased a ticket at a concession price and as such, we thought we would make you aware that ID checks will be in place for those who may appear close to, or outside, the relevant age groups.
We will accept a driving license, passport or any other photographic ID that shows your date of birth as identification. We will also accept a copy/photograph of these as we appreciate you might not always carry them around with you, provided your date of birth is clearly legible for our stewards to read.
The club will continue to take steps to make fans aware of the heightened concession controls that they will face upon entering the stadium. These include adding a note on all confirmation emails, updating the ticketing terms and conditions, making it clear on all physical tickets and in articles on the club website.For all Under 11 and Under 18 tickets, the onus is on the parent or guardian to make sure that the correct ticket is being used by the appropriate individual. If your child attends the game without an appropriate copy of ID, you risk their ticket being confiscated at the gate.
Thank you in advance for your understanding, and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact our Ticket Office by emailing tickets@cafc.co.uk or calling 03330 14 44 44.
Kind Regards,
Charlton Athletic Ticket OfficeI guess it was too difficult to do a mail merge to populate names in the emails rather than "Supporter" which is better than customer i guess 😂
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Just got just got that email for my 2 tickets including an under 18, fair enough. Like I said earlier though a few kids buying tickets a year or two out of their actual age group seems less of an issue than grown adults buying £5 tickets which is who they should be targeting.0
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If a 17 year old reaches the age of 18 during the season, will the jobsworths throw them out when they see their photo ID DOB?
How does a 16 year old without any form of photo ID, prove he's under 18?
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This all started because Otzumer tried getting in with a Junior Reds ticket just before signing.11
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Anyone holding a 65+ ticket who forgets ID will instead be asked a simple yes or no question to prove their age:
Q: did you vote for the UK to leave the European Union in June 2016?5 -
Dazzler21 said:
Email received this morning
Dear Supporter,
Thank you very much for purchasing a ticket for our game against Brentford this afternoon. We have noticed that as part of your transaction, you have purchased a ticket at a concession price and as such, we thought we would make you aware that ID checks will be in place for those who may appear close to, or outside, the relevant age groups.
We will accept a driving license, passport or any other photographic ID that shows your date of birth as identification. We will also accept a copy/photograph of these as we appreciate you might not always carry them around with you, provided your date of birth is clearly legible for our stewards to read.
The club will continue to take steps to make fans aware of the heightened concession controls that they will face upon entering the stadium. These include adding a note on all confirmation emails, updating the ticketing terms and conditions, making it clear on all physical tickets and in articles on the club website.For all Under 11 and Under 18 tickets, the onus is on the parent or guardian to make sure that the correct ticket is being used by the appropriate individual. If your child attends the game without an appropriate copy of ID, you risk their ticket being confiscated at the gate.
Thank you in advance for your understanding, and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact our Ticket Office by emailing tickets@cafc.co.uk or calling 03330 14 44 44.
Kind Regards,
Charlton Athletic Ticket OfficeI guess it was too difficult to do a mail merge to populate names in the emails rather than "Supporter" which is better than customer i guess 😂
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Gillis said:Dazzler21 said:
Email received this morning
Dear Supporter,
Thank you very much for purchasing a ticket for our game against Brentford this afternoon. We have noticed that as part of your transaction, you have purchased a ticket at a concession price and as such, we thought we would make you aware that ID checks will be in place for those who may appear close to, or outside, the relevant age groups.
We will accept a driving license, passport or any other photographic ID that shows your date of birth as identification. We will also accept a copy/photograph of these as we appreciate you might not always carry them around with you, provided your date of birth is clearly legible for our stewards to read.
The club will continue to take steps to make fans aware of the heightened concession controls that they will face upon entering the stadium. These include adding a note on all confirmation emails, updating the ticketing terms and conditions, making it clear on all physical tickets and in articles on the club website.For all Under 11 and Under 18 tickets, the onus is on the parent or guardian to make sure that the correct ticket is being used by the appropriate individual. If your child attends the game without an appropriate copy of ID, you risk their ticket being confiscated at the gate.
Thank you in advance for your understanding, and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact our Ticket Office by emailing tickets@cafc.co.uk or calling 03330 14 44 44.
Kind Regards,
Charlton Athletic Ticket OfficeI guess it was too difficult to do a mail merge to populate names in the emails rather than "Supporter" which is better than customer i guess 😂
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Addickted said:If a 17 year old reaches the age of 18 during the season, will the jobsworths throw them out when they see their photo ID DOB?
How does a 16 year old without any form of photo ID, prove he's under 18?
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Just upgraded my sons ticket and felt really guilty. This is the first time I have done this as he never misses a home game and goes to quite a few away games, but the Reading festival won out. Not sure why I felt that way, but I guess it felt like she thought I was one of the fans that had been fiddling as she wasn’t at all friendly.
They really could have done this in a much friendly manner. Issuing out that note before the game would have been good, but it is clear to me that they wanted to catch people to make the point. They really know how to sour things don’t they.2 -
guinnessaddick said:I had the loan of an adult season ticket on Weds, while the owner is on holiday, I've also got it today. Now do I tell the owner that he needs to email the club telling them I am using it or risk being as for ID and then having to hand over the season ticket?
If it is an adult ticket you SHOULD be alright according to the amended message late last night.
No guarantees with this lot though!0 -
Redrobo said:Addickted said:If a 17 year old reaches the age of 18 during the season, will the jobsworths throw them out when they see their photo ID DOB?
How does a 16 year old without any form of photo ID, prove he's under 18?
A 16 year old does not require any form of photo ID in the UK. Are the club insisting that a 16 year old should pay £15 for one? I suspect this is in breach of their human rights.
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The administration of this is clearly laughable, why because the administration at Charlton is a joke. As said before nobody of any seniority in knows what they are doing.
we should be taking the opportunity of what Bowyer has brought to the club to expand ticket sales and try and reach out to new and old supporters not try and alienate the kids by putting things in place that are sometimes not achievable.
by the way I am in no way condoning people cheating the system, it's how they are administrating it which is laughable.4 - Sponsored links:
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If an under 11 has an adult ticket at the turnstile, and is checked, what happens?
Does the steward give the child money?3 -
No check today.1
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Don’t understand why the east stand block closest to the covered end was pretty much totally empty. Tried booking 2 seats there last night, completely blocked out. Do the Community Trust really need that many seats, there were about 10 people in there at kick off.5
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The silence in this thread says it all0
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Could someone at least tell them the difference between licence and license?4
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Standing at the North stand I saw around 10 people between 2:00 and 2:50 ejected due to having childrens tickets and they were definitely not under 18! A few debated being able to upgrade but the stewards simply said their instructions were to confiscate the tickets.
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No excuses...a thief is a thief.
They know the prices.
How shameful 46 year old pot bellied pigs are going in on an under 11 ticket. ( Maybe some slim thieves too).
Do we really want such dishonest trash/liars to represent our great club?3 -
NM18 said:No excuses...a thief is a thief.
They know the prices.
How shameful 46 year old pot bellied pigs are going in on an under 11 ticket. ( Maybe some slim thieves too).
Do we really want such dishonest trash/liars to represent our great club?8 -
My 17 year old son was stopped after entering the ground today and his season ticket checked. Thankfully his Oyster Zip card was enough proof of ID. But his ID wasnt checked when he got served (with my money) in crossbars before hand.3