However we must be honest and now we are doing well, we have started to have an element who are using a Charlton away game as an excuse to behave badly.
However we must be honest and now we are doing well, we have started to have an element who are using a Charlton away game as an excuse to behave badly.
Why would people want to misbehave? With me not attending I am guessing it is a bit of boisterous behaviour going too far at times.
However we must be honest and now we are doing well, we have started to have an element who are using a Charlton away game as an excuse to behave badly.
I don’t think doing well has anything to do with it. If anything it should be the opposite.
I tweeted this to FSA Faircop and this was their reply.
I recommend people to contact them, they are good people, hardworking, and held in grudging respect by plod. Grudging because they don't let themselves get fobbed off, respect because they gather evidence before making their case.
However we must be honest and now we are doing well, we have started to have an element who are using a Charlton away game as an excuse to behave badly.
Why would people want to misbehave? With me not attending I am guessing it is a bit of boisterous behaviour going too far at times.
Well if you describe fighting & plastic bottle throwing at HT as boisterous, you would be correct.
However we must be honest and now we are doing well, we have started to have an element who are using a Charlton away game as an excuse to behave badly.
Why would people want to misbehave? With me not attending I am guessing it is a bit of boisterous behaviour going too far at times.
Well if you describe fighting & plastic bottle throwing at HT as boisterous, you would be correct.
funny if there was trouble on train at Hawthorns. On the tram to New Street there was no police presence and both sets of supporters happily mingled and discussed the game on the way back to New Street. Pubs by New Street ok with Charlton, locals and Luton drinking.
Very odd. It did seem that the police very specifically targeted people taking the train back to Brum, rather than the tram.
When we got to Moor Street station after the game, they wouldn’t let us get to the platform we needed to get back to London.
So we stuck on a platform that we couldn’t move from as the coppers where stopping us from going up the stairs we needed to use to get to another platoform.
The platform was heaving, one guy when we got there said he’d been stuck on it for 45 minutes, train after train arrived at set platform, letting more and more people off and making the platform more and more packed.
Someone shouted out this is like Hillsborough, which to be fair if it had continued it would have been, but of course the police are never to blame for anything.
Woman were screaming at the police to do something, and it was bloody dangerous.
We were then put on a different train (especially arranged? ) with coppers who to be fair were friendly (they’d just come from Millwall v Stoke) so perhaps this was a piece of cake.
2 hours standing on the train journey back to London, and then all the crap at Marylebone... makes you wonder how crap it’s going to get in 2 weeks time at Millwall, where every copper in the country will be on duty.
A cop at Snow Hill station said there had been trouble in a bar in West Brom with Charlton fans and two old bill had been assaulted and that was the reason they refused to let Charlton fans off the train, even tho they let me and my missus off.
Not there so can only guess that the people who "beat up" the officer gave him there name and address so they could be arrested later, so saving the police time and money.
A cop at Snow Hill station said there had been trouble in a bar in West Brom with Charlton fans and two old bill had been assaulted and that was the reason they refused to let Charlton fans off the train, even tho they let me and my missus off.
No idea why not letting Charlton fans off at Snow Hill, but instead taking everyone to Moor Street would help things. It's not as if the area round Snow Hill is "the" place to go for a drink, or that that the area would be full of Albion fans either
Mick Everitt needs to make an official complaint on our behalf in the strongest possible way.
The COO is your man, responsible for customer satisfaction as well as the day to day running of the club in the absence of a CEO. Good luck with that.......😉
I tweeted this to FSA Faircop and this was their reply.
I recommend people to contact them, they are good people, hardworking, and held in grudging respect by plod. Grudging because they don't let themselves get fobbed off, respect because they gather evidence before making their case.
They may well be, but surely they should know the difference between "effected" and "affected", particularly in this context? ;-)
I wasnt there so I know jack all about what happened but as we are talking about the policing of football I'll chime in
I get it that football can bring out some stupid behaviour in people, some of which I have been involved in and some I have witnessed, some like @Gumbo putting his penis on my shoulder at Coventry away then tapping me to get my attention so I was 'eye to eye' with him, I have been the victim of.
What gets me is how aggressive police can be in the first contact, it pisses people off immediately and invariably makes their lives more difficult. They have a hair trigger at football and have nicked people for some really trivial stuff that could have been avoided with a bit of emotional intelligence. Then again when they see 100 blokes coming off a train pissed and singing it can be fairly intimidating so it can provoke a nervous response.
last season at Gillingham they started off being ok with everyone then a few people wound them up and ruined it for everyone as annoyed police are not fun people.
What fucks me off though is then taking such a broad brush approach like what people have mentioned about marylebone and they know they can because its football fans and they can pretty much get away with whatever they want.
I'm a supporter of the police, and if you think of the sheer volume of human interaction they have compared to the amount of actual beatings they give out its remarkable. If I was armed with a taser and a truncheon at the Notting hill carnival post 8pm after a day of everyone calling me a racist or just generally being obnoxious I'd guess I would flatten the taser battery quite fast
Mick Everitt needs to make an official complaint on our behalf in the strongest possible way.
The COO is your man, responsible for customer satisfaction as well as the day to day running of the club in the absence of a CEO. Good luck with that.......😉
Isn't Micks Everitt the man who deals with Police?
But anyways, what I mean is why did the OB have to take the name, address of all our supporters at Marylebone?
That is not right and that is what Mick Everitt needs to find out, that very reason.
CAST are going to raise this with CAFC's police contact and ask for further explanation. If you have specific info / experiences to pass on, please email chair@castrust.org or contact CAST directly on Twitter.
I wasnt there so I know jack all about what happened but as we are talking about the policing of football I'll chime in
I get it that football can bring out some stupid behaviour in people, some of which I have been involved in and some I have witnessed, some like @Gumbo putting his penis on my shoulder at Coventry away then tapping me to get my attention so I was 'eye to eye' with him, I have been the victim of.
What gets me is how aggressive police can be in the first contact, it pisses people off immediately and invariably makes their lives more difficult. They have a hair trigger at football and have nicked people for some really trivial stuff that could have been avoided with a bit of emotional intelligence. Then again when they see 100 blokes coming off a train pissed and singing it can be fairly intimidating so it can provoke a nervous response.
last season at Gillingham they started off being ok with everyone then a few people wound them up and ruined it for everyone as annoyed police are not fun people.
What fucks me off though is then taking such a broad brush approach like what people have mentioned about marylebone and they know they can because its football fans and they can pretty much get away with whatever they want.
I'm a supporter of the police, and if you think of the sheer volume of human interaction they have compared to the amount of actual beatings they give out its remarkable. If I was armed with a taser and a truncheon at the Notting hill carnival post 8pm after a day of everyone calling me a racist or just generally being obnoxious I'd guess I would flatten the taser battery quite fast
You make it seem like having my penis on your shoulder was a bad thing??? Didn’t hear you complaining at the time mate
Completely speculating but sounds like old bill had agg from some Charlton dicks and reacted childishly by fucking up a lot of Charlton fans with their re routing of so many innocents
Mick Everitt needs to make an official complaint on our behalf in the strongest possible way.
The COO is your man, responsible for customer satisfaction as well as the day to day running of the club in the absence of a CEO. Good luck with that.......😉
Isn't Micks Everitt the man who deals with Police?
But anyways, what I mean is why did the OB have to take the name, address of all our supporters at Marylebone?
That is not right and that is what Mick Everitt needs to find out, that very reason.
As far as I’m aware he is part time now ie: Match days.
The COO is the man at the top of the operations, that’s not to say it won’t end up on Micks desk, as we are well aware the smt are very good at delegation when it goes tits up.
Completely speculating but sounds like old bill had agg from some Charlton dicks and reacted childishly by fucking up a lot of Charlton fans with their re routing of so many innocents
In other words "we started it and they finished it".
Contacting Charlton or the police will end a fruitless exercise.
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So we stuck on a platform that we couldn’t move from as the coppers where stopping us from going up the stairs we needed to use to get to another platoform.
The platform was heaving, one guy when we got there said he’d been stuck on it for 45 minutes, train after train arrived at set platform, letting more and more people off and making the platform more and more packed.
Someone shouted out this is like Hillsborough, which to be fair if it had continued it would have been, but of course the police are never to blame for anything.
Woman were screaming at the police to do something, and it was bloody dangerous.
We were then put on a different train (especially arranged? ) with coppers who to be fair were friendly (they’d just come from Millwall v Stoke) so perhaps this was a piece of cake.
2 hours standing on the train journey back to London, and then all the crap at Marylebone... makes you wonder how crap it’s going to get in 2 weeks time at Millwall, where every copper in the country will be on duty.
What happened at ht, saw it all starting, the police then seemed to disappear ?
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I get it that football can bring out some stupid behaviour in people, some of which I have been involved in and some I have witnessed, some like @Gumbo putting his penis on my shoulder at Coventry away then tapping me to get my attention so I was 'eye to eye' with him, I have been the victim of.
What gets me is how aggressive police can be in the first contact, it pisses people off immediately and invariably makes their lives more difficult. They have a hair trigger at football and have nicked people for some really trivial stuff that could have been avoided with a bit of emotional intelligence. Then again when they see 100 blokes coming off a train pissed and singing it can be fairly intimidating so it can provoke a nervous response.
last season at Gillingham they started off being ok with everyone then a few people wound them up and ruined it for everyone as annoyed police are not fun people.
What fucks me off though is then taking such a broad brush approach like what people have mentioned about marylebone and they know they can because its football fans and they can pretty much get away with whatever they want.
I'm a supporter of the police, and if you think of the sheer volume of human interaction they have compared to the amount of actual beatings they give out its remarkable. If I was armed with a taser and a truncheon at the Notting hill carnival post 8pm after a day of everyone calling me a racist or just generally being obnoxious I'd guess I would flatten the taser battery quite fast
Contacting Charlton or the police will end a fruitless exercise.