Who actually decides whose goal it is....?? When I was (much) younger I thought it was the ref. Sounds like its the Press Association or some nobody sitting in the stands. Back in the 90's I remember John Aldridge claiming a goal from years back that had originally been given as an Og so he could reach a certain milestone (200 ?)
Surely the club can just credit it to Lockyer.
Dubious Goals Commitee probably
As I understand it, outside of the Premier League there is no - one who officially determines a goalscorer. The press guys may decide it was an og but if Charlton decide to credit it to lockyer then it will go down in the club records as a Lockyer goal.
Indeed throughout the ages there will have been goals credited as an og in the press but credited to a Charlton player in the official club records.
I think there was a story in dim and past Voice of the Valley how in the old days Colin Cameron would just decide with the Charlton press team who a goal should be credited to.
Almost certainly the club will credit the goal to Lockyer. Just as Hull will have credited the goal they scored in similar circumstances to the young lad who had the header rather than a Phillips own goal.
Enjoyed the game. Thought the ref was doing OK till he ignored the first fight (which they could have scored from). After that he pretty much lost control so the second squaring up at the end was no surprise. Davison and Pratley both had an excellent game, but I didn't think there were any passengers though Dempsey's inexperience showed quite a bit. Funnily enough, I though all our defenders made mistakes, but the guys sat behind me were slating Oshilaja all the time so not everyone sees the same game. @Leuth you must sit near me then as the "banter" between the CE and Bartley was kicked off by a lad in the row in front of me. WBA are a good side and the number of cards picked up by them shows how frustrated they were. They managed it well so none of them got sent off.
I must sit near you indeed! I'm directly behind the middle of the goal, six rows back. I guess everyone knows where I sit now! But my viewpoint gives me almost unparalleled authority to talk about CE goalmouth incidents
Who actually decides whose goal it is....?? When I was (much) younger I thought it was the ref. Sounds like its the Press Association or some nobody sitting in the stands. Back in the 90's I remember John Aldridge claiming a goal from years back that had originally been given as an Og so he could reach a certain milestone (200 ?)
Surely the club can just credit it to Lockyer.
Dubious Goals Commitee probably
As I understand it, outside of the Premier League there is no - one who officially determines a goalscorer. The press guys may decide it was an og but if Charlton decide to credit it to lockyer then it will go down in the club records as a Lockyer goal.
Indeed throughout the ages there will have been goals credited as an og in the press but credited to a Charlton player in the official club records.
I think there was a story in dim and past Voice of the Valley how in the old days Colin Cameron would just decide with the Charlton press team who a goal should be credited to.
Almost certainly the club will credit the goal to Lockyer. Just as Hull will have credited the goal they scored in similar circumstances to the young lad who had the header rather than a Phillips own goal.
There is a dubious goals panel in the EFL and this will go to it. Hull’s goal went to the panel and was deemed a Phillips og unfortunately so it’s likely this will too which would be a huge shame.
Pratley was the guvnor on the pitch yesterday. Without him they would have bullied us into submission. I thought Hegazi was mustard at centre back for them last weekend. Glad he was on the bench yesterday. Well done Josh for giving them a difficult physical challenge and taking a few clumps in the process.
That’s exactly the kind of game Pratley was signed for. Bowyer identified we needed an experienced and wily campaigner and that is exactly what we have got. The team would have been lost without him yesterday.
I'm right next to the directors' box and I do tend to get some disapproving looks when I shout out things like 'ref, you c*nt' at the top of my voice.
It's football and it's all about passion ffs.
Feel a.'Me Too' movement starting.
Ever since I took my daughter to games from age 10 I told her, whatever is said at football,says at football. I call it 'football language' as it's only for use within the confines of the ground. If it offends others, then I'm sorry but it's how I vent my spleen when excited or angry. My daughter, now a trainee nurse isn't a thug or deviant because of it, but she is a whole-hearted Addick who hates the Wendiies, even more enjoyable as her bf is a Wednesday regular. I have noted bursts of laughter when I've said something expletively profound, usually aimed at the ref, akin to Mr Munro.
As for Lockyer's goal, of course it was his. Who cares what the panel says, he scored it no doubts. If it wasn't for his excellent leap and bullet header it probably wouldn't have gone in off the keeper. Can't imagine any of his teammates saying "Sorry Tom but that's not good enough"
If I was one of their fans I'd be furious. They are clearly a good side and can play good football but they didn't. They were dirty niggly and horrible from the start. And I dont get why. They most creative player came off the bench and cause us all sorts of problems (couldn't work out who because i couldn't see the numbers on their stupid kit with thin orange numbers on yellow and green! What cretin thought that was a good idea?!) If they tried to play football they would have beaten us. Instead they came for a battle and played into our hands. It's the perfect game for the likes of Pratley, Lockyer, Deji, Gallagher (and it was good to see the likes of Green, JFC dishing a bit out too). Maybe they got dragged into it more than they wanted by the experience of Pratley winding them up? I dunno.
First half thought we gave a good account of ourselves bar the defensive mistake for the goal. Davison put himself about well and caused them problems. I likes the kinda lop-sided back 5 with Doughty often being our furthest player up the pitch but still at wing back off the ball. Green and Gallagher supported Josh well. The goal playing out from the back is a risk and you always get one or two mistakes leading to a goal each season if you play like that. But could have been avoided, Matthew's dilly-dallied on the ball too long and then gave it to Lockyer with a hell of a lot to do. Lockyer held with it terribly and tried to pass back to Dillon but under pressure simply passes it to the on rushing attacker. We didnt deal with it well from there. Deji should have gone straight to the man as Sarr was recovering behind. But he allows him to take it into the box. I really thought he'd pulled off a miracle after he blocked the first shot but wasnt to be.
We stayed in the game well and great work all round for the goal. Delighted for Josh!
Second half started with a sucker punch. And we weren't in it for a while. Gradually got a grip back on the game but the real change was when Jonny and JFC came on. Jonny and Andre (who was excellent all game) running at them terrified their back line. Bartley (and to a lesser extent Ajayi) gave it to the covered end when it was completely unnecessary for the whole time Davison was down injured. Not long later Bartley loses his man and that's the equaliser. Wonderful!
We saw it out fairly comfortably in the end. Good to see some players back, JFC impressed me and will be useful in the coming weeks. Pratley immense throughout. Real leader in the jacko mould (think Lockyer is too) proper fighter and so fit for his age. Winds them up without ever actually crossing the line himself. Doesn't have too much pace but was still the one most willing to bust a gut and get back to make the tackle as they broke near the end. Growing man love for our Dazza.
Ohh yeah. Ref was an absolute nonce. No clue what he was playing at. They could easily have had 2 reds. Completely lost control in the second half.
A word on the people around me in block M of the covered end upper.
Bloke behind me moaning every time I stood up and even grabbed me by the shoulder and tried to pull me down at one point. Like ffs you're 3/4 of the way back in the covered end everyone is standing up (I wasnt even doing it that much - the instance where he grabbed me it was as Doughty put a ball into the box!) Not sorry for telling you to fuck off. If you wanna sit down all game and aren't interested in standing when we have a chance go sit in the west stand. And before anyone asks no he didnt have mobility issues. He was jumping rows of seats perfectly fine to beat the queue to get out at half time.
And the guy to my left was vocal - which I like but had zero clue about football. Was calling Davison shit from the first minute even though he was clearly putting himself about well. Didnt even stop calling him shit after he scored! Refused to stand or even clap when he was subbed! Shouting out at the defense even when they had the ball and were directly running at us. Shouted hoof it whenever we get the ball. What so you want us to hoof it at Davison so he can battle with 2 CBs twice his size and then you can moan at him too. The guy was a fool.
So glad I wasnt sat in my season ticket seat!
Could have swapped seats with the chap. Nothing worse than the random leaper when something exciting happens so make him right. You could always give him a couple of hundred to up grade to the West if it is all getting too much for you, or of course, just fuck off to your own seat.
I'm right next to the directors' box and I do tend to get some disapproving looks when I shout out things like 'ref, you c*nt' at the top of my voice.
It's football and it's all about passion ffs.
Feel a.'Me Too' movement starting.
Ever since I took my daughter to games from age 10 I told her, whatever is said at football,says at football. I call it 'football language' as it's only for use within the confines of the ground. If it offends others, then I'm sorry but it's how I vent my spleen when excited or angry. My daughter, now a trainee nurse isn't a thug or deviant because of it, but she is a whole-hearted Addick who hates the Wendiies, even more enjoyable as her bf is a Wednesday regular. I have noted bursts of laughter when I've said something expletively profound, usually aimed at the ref, akin to Mr Munro.
As for Lockyer's goal, of course it was his. Who cares what the panel says, he scored it no doubts. If it wasn't for his excellent leap and bullet header it probably wouldn't have gone in off the keeper. Can't imagine any of his teammates saying "Sorry Tom but that's not good enough"
Surely by the same logic, their goal should be a Sarr og - Phillips had it covered until Sarr diverted it into the net. And what about Bauer’s goal at Wembley?
I'm right next to the directors' box and I do tend to get some disapproving looks when I shout out things like 'ref, you c*nt' at the top of my voice.
It's football and it's all about passion ffs.
Feel a.'Me Too' movement starting.
Ever since I took my daughter to games from age 10 I told her, whatever is said at football,says at football. I call it 'football language' as it's only for use within the confines of the ground. If it offends others, then I'm sorry but it's how I vent my spleen when excited or angry. My daughter, now a trainee nurse isn't a thug or deviant because of it, but she is a whole-hearted Addick who hates the Wendiies, even more enjoyable as her bf is a Wednesday regular. I have noted bursts of laughter when I've said something expletively profound, usually aimed at the ref, akin to Mr Munro.
As for Lockyer's goal, of course it was his. Who cares what the panel says, he scored it no doubts. If it wasn't for his excellent leap and bullet header it probably wouldn't have gone in off the keeper. Can't imagine any of his teammates saying "Sorry Tom but that's not good enough"
Surely by the same logic, their goal should be a Sarr og - Phillips had it covered until Sarr diverted it into the net. And what about Bauer’s goal at Wembley?
I think, by the law, it's whether the ball was going in, regardless of whether it was touched, which the WBA goal and Bauer's at Wembley definitely were.
The ball was going in before the keeper touched it and went in after he touched it.
Exactly this. The keeper had a chance to save it, he couldn't do this properly as the header was to good, and the ball found its way into the net. Lockyer's goal all day long for me.
But it was heading back out and hit him again! That's technically an o.g.
I know people like to distort the facts when it's a big deal like a first goal for the club, or that Rooney 'goal' versus Switzerland that was obviously an own goal off the keeper (think it's still Rooney's in the books, which is absurd), or that Therry Racon goal everyone gave to Jacko as they weren't sure he was going to get to 50
I agree it's a bit of a grey area. The panel will say the keeper touches it onto the post, and it is coming out until it hits the goalkeeper again, therefore o.g. But I get the argument that the keeper wouldn't touch it in the first place if it weren't for Lockyer's header, and the only reason he is in the position to deflect it back in is because he is dealing with the original header. An o.g just feels wrong in these cases, even though it is technically correct.
Who actually decides whose goal it is....?? When I was (much) younger I thought it was the ref. Sounds like its the Press Association or some nobody sitting in the stands. Back in the 90's I remember John Aldridge claiming a goal from years back that had originally been given as an Og so he could reach a certain milestone (200 ?)
Surely the club can just credit it to Lockyer.
Dubious Goals Commitee probably
As I understand it, outside of the Premier League there is no - one who officially determines a goalscorer. The press guys may decide it was an og but if Charlton decide to credit it to lockyer then it will go down in the club records as a Lockyer goal.
Indeed throughout the ages there will have been goals credited as an og in the press but credited to a Charlton player in the official club records.
I think there was a story in dim and past Voice of the Valley how in the old days Colin Cameron would just decide with the Charlton press team who a goal should be credited to.
Almost certainly the club will credit the goal to Lockyer. Just as Hull will have credited the goal they scored in similar circumstances to the young lad who had the header rather than a Phillips own goal.
There is a dubious goals panel in the EFL and this will go to it. Hull’s goal went to the panel and was deemed a Phillips og unfortunately so it’s likely this will too which would be a huge shame.
Very interesting. Thanks. I didn't know there was a dubious goals panel in the EFL.
Listen, if the club can overturn history by changing the goalscorer in the Luton Fa Cup game a couple of years after the event (still irritates me even now!) it can sure as hell ignore the dubious goal committee's ruling and award it to Lockyer in its club records!
A terrific point against an increasingly frustrated side .. terrific for Davison to score .. it is good that the youngsters are surely making the management consider if it is worth signing too many outsiders when there is so much potential already inside the gates .. the trick now is to bottle this type of performance to take in times of inconsistency ..
Phillips: fine save early on, some wastefully hot-headed distribution but that's not the worst fault - CAFC's #1 by a long way Lockyer: awful, weak, dopey, culpable for both goals, decent connection for our 2nd goal but that went barely half way to making up for just how hopeless he was throughout Oshilaja: fractionally better than Lockyer but if he's really an option at CH, Jason Pearce must have a broken leg and pleurisy Sarr: critical interventions in both boxes our best defender by miles (!!! christ !!!) few blemishes Matthews: mostly decent against tricky quick cynical diving opposition Pratley; one of the best Charlton performances I've seen in years, without him yesterday we'd have got drubbed, was everywhere possible his legs and lungs could get him, conducted affairs throughout, must have eyes in the back of his head, schooled the Baggies midfield in 'game management', had the measure of the fucktard referee right from the off, one critical ball winning tackle late on I still can't quite believe he got to, without fouling the cheating yellow prick. M-o-M by several miles Gallagher: he's really very good Dempsey: decent showing, against skilled powerful opposition, will have served him, and us, really well Doughty: looks like he's been playing at this level for years, rather than weeks Davison; tremendous shift against significantly bigger more experienced and cynical opposition, terrific instinct for the goal, stayed on the pitch giving it all for at least half an hour longer than his body was actually fit for, such was the pounding he'd taken, no protection at all from the laughable knob with the whistle Green: quiet game, lack of sharpness probably understandable, aversion to the muck and bullets of the game in these situations less so. Forster-Caskey: good to see him back, shored things up nicely Williams: good to see him back, rusty as all hell but if he can stay out of the way of too many of the sorts of challenges he was greeted with he'll be invaluable Hemed: n/a! as in no application. waster parasite prick didn't try a leg, spent more time sat on his fat arse complaining to the ref that he hadn't got a free kick for sitting down on his fat arse, if I never see him again in a Charlton shirt it will be too soon. Referee: no words, absolutely none
They led twice but West Brom were denied a second win at the Valley in a week by their own man, Sam Johnstone putting past his own keeper to hand Charlton an equaliser with less than 15 minutes on the clock
They led twice but West Brom were denied a second win at the Valley in a week by their own man, Sam Johnstone putting past his own keeper to hand Charlton an equaliser with less than 15 minutes on the clock
They led twice but West Brom were denied a second win at the Valley in a week by their own man, Sam Johnstone putting past his own keeper to hand Charlton an equaliser with less than 15 minutes on the clock
Quality match reporting from the guardian.
In modern football, 15 minutes is akin to a lifetime, admittedly a very short one, .. how many goals are scored in the last quarter hour ?
Lockyer: awful, weak, dopey, culpable for both goals, decent connection for our 2nd goal but that went barely half way to making up for just how hopeless he was throughout
Oshilaja: fractionally better than Lockyer but if he's really an option at CH, Jason Pearce must have a broken leg and pleurisy
Hemed: n/a! as in no application. waster parasite prick didn't try a leg, spent more time sat on his fat arse complaining to the ref that he hadn't got a free kick for sitting down on his fat arse, if I never see him again in a Charlton shirt it will be too soon.
Really enjoyable yesterday. It's all been said but (and not digging him out, because he's so young and inexperienced) but I thought Ben Dempsey was a bit shaky and looked knackered before half time. I think he needs a rest.
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Indeed throughout the ages there will have been goals credited as an og in the press but credited to a Charlton player in the official club records.
I think there was a story in dim and past Voice of the Valley how in the old days Colin Cameron would just decide with the Charlton press team who a goal should be credited to.
Almost certainly the club will credit the goal to Lockyer. Just as Hull will have credited the goal they scored in similar circumstances to the young lad who had the header rather than a Phillips own goal.
Davison and Pratley both had an excellent game, but I didn't think there were any passengers though Dempsey's inexperience showed quite a bit. Funnily enough, I though all our defenders made mistakes, but the guys sat behind me were slating Oshilaja all the time so not everyone sees the same game.
@Leuth you must sit near me then as the "banter" between the CE and Bartley was kicked off by a lad in the row in front of me.
WBA are a good side and the number of cards picked up by them shows how frustrated they were. They managed it well so none of them got sent off.
Ever since I took my daughter to games from age 10 I told her, whatever is said at football,says at football. I call it 'football language' as it's only for use within the confines of the ground. If it offends others, then I'm sorry but it's how I vent my spleen when excited or angry. My daughter, now a trainee nurse isn't a thug or deviant because of it, but she is a whole-hearted Addick who hates the Wendiies, even more enjoyable as her bf is a Wednesday regular. I have noted bursts of laughter when I've said something expletively profound, usually aimed at the ref, akin to Mr Munro.
As for Lockyer's goal, of course it was his. Who cares what the panel says, he scored it no doubts. If it wasn't for his excellent leap and bullet header it probably wouldn't have gone in off the keeper. Can't imagine any of his teammates saying "Sorry Tom but that's not good enough"
I know people like to distort the facts when it's a big deal like a first goal for the club, or that Rooney 'goal' versus Switzerland that was obviously an own goal off the keeper (think it's still Rooney's in the books, which is absurd), or that Therry Racon goal everyone gave to Jacko as they weren't sure he was going to get to 50
Very, very good at times yesterday.
Was obviously under orders to defend first half but loved it when he was let loose.
Listen, if the club can overturn history by changing the goalscorer in the Luton Fa Cup game a couple of years after the event (still irritates me even now!) it can sure as hell ignore the dubious goal committee's ruling and award it to Lockyer in its club records!
Lockyer: awful, weak, dopey, culpable for both goals, decent connection for our 2nd goal but that went barely half way to making up for just how hopeless he was throughout
Oshilaja: fractionally better than Lockyer but if he's really an option at CH, Jason Pearce must have a broken leg and pleurisy
Sarr: critical interventions in both boxes our best defender by miles (!!! christ !!!) few blemishes
Matthews: mostly decent against tricky quick cynical diving opposition
Pratley; one of the best Charlton performances I've seen in years, without him yesterday we'd have got drubbed, was everywhere possible his legs and lungs could get him, conducted affairs throughout, must have eyes in the back of his head, schooled the Baggies midfield in 'game management', had the measure of the fucktard referee right from the off, one critical ball winning tackle late on I still can't quite believe he got to, without fouling the cheating yellow prick. M-o-M by several miles
Gallagher: he's really very good
Dempsey: decent showing, against skilled powerful opposition, will have served him, and us, really well
Doughty: looks like he's been playing at this level for years, rather than weeks
Davison; tremendous shift against significantly bigger more experienced and cynical opposition, terrific instinct for the goal, stayed on the pitch giving it all for at least half an hour longer than his body was actually fit for, such was the pounding he'd taken, no protection at all from the laughable knob with the whistle
Green: quiet game, lack of sharpness probably understandable, aversion to the muck and bullets of the game in these situations less so.
Forster-Caskey: good to see him back, shored things up nicely
Williams: good to see him back, rusty as all hell but if he can stay out of the way of too many of the sorts of challenges he was greeted with he'll be invaluable
Hemed: n/a! as in no application. waster parasite prick didn't try a leg, spent more time sat on his fat arse complaining to the ref that he hadn't got a free kick for sitting down on his fat arse, if I never see him again in a Charlton shirt it will be too soon.
Referee: no words, absolutely none
Quality match reporting from the guardian.