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stevexreeve said:thickandthin63 said:Spitfire76 said:PrincessFiona said:MrOneLung said:Victoria Beckhams personal wealth has no bearing on the loss making business.
Government money comes from taxpayers and borrowings the interest on which is financed by the aforementioned taxpayers.
Legally Branson and his ilk have done nothing wrong, as companies are separate legal entities from individuals, but morally is another debate, particularly when, as they do, faux socialists of his ilk try to tell 'ordinary people' how to live their lives when they do not live their own lives in the same way.
First mantra of socialism: Do as I say not as I do.2 -
I am a pensioner so not a lot left after normal living expenses,still pay my bit of tax which will no doubt increase to cover Victoria Beckhams failed vanity project.2
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Really sorry about boring everyone shitless about this,but like a lot of us,very little else to do at the moment,anyway just read that Branson is pleading poverty,no money in the bank.What a load of bollocks.0
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thickandthin63 said:Really sorry about boring everyone shitless about this,but like a lot of us,very little else to do at the moment,anyway just read that Branson is pleading poverty,no money in the bank.What a load of bollocks.2
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I didn’t read it as pleading poverty at all,he’s willing to mortgage his house for a company he doesn’t fully own & there are not many company owners willing to do that.1
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......."If you’re one of those lucky people who’re in that position where you get that extreme wealth, you’ve just got to make sure that wealth goes back to society in some form or another–whether it’s creating more jobs or tackling the problems of the world. That money must not languish in a bank account and be unproductive.10........"
I wonder who said this?
https://hollowverse.com/richard-branson/
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thickandthin63 said:MrOneLung said:Victoria Beckhams personal wealth has no bearing on the loss making business.
designing a scheme that assesses whether there is any alternate source of funds that could be used, a means tested scheme if you like, Is unfortunately totally unfeasible. The current scheme is nearly breaking HMRC with nearly every non-essential service being binned to provide hands to get furlough working and to prevent fraudulent use of the scheme.
The only thing we can do is try and remember who has used and abused the scheme when making choices on goods and commenting in the future.0 -
LenGlover said:......."If you’re one of those lucky people who’re in that position where you get that extreme wealth, you’ve just got to make sure that wealth goes back to society in some form or another–whether it’s creating more jobs or tackling the problems of the world. That money must not languish in a bank account and be unproductive.10........"
I wonder who said this?
https://hollowverse.com/richard-branson/0 -
Spitfire76 said:thickandthin63 said:Really sorry about boring everyone shitless about this,but like a lot of us,very little else to do at the moment,anyway just read that Branson is pleading poverty,no money in the bank.What a load of bollocks.0
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Nope I’m one of them & the banks are not being friendly to certain industries but at least he’s prepared to put his house on that 500mil loan0
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stevexreeve said:thickandthin63 said:Spitfire76 said:PrincessFiona said:MrOneLung said:Victoria Beckhams personal wealth has no bearing on the loss making business.0
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LenGlover said:stevexreeve said:thickandthin63 said:Spitfire76 said:PrincessFiona said:MrOneLung said:Victoria Beckhams personal wealth has no bearing on the loss making business.
Government money comes from taxpayers and borrowings the interest on which is financed by the aforementioned taxpayers.
Legally Branson and his ilk have done nothing wrong, as companies are separate legal entities from individuals, but morally is another debate, particularly when, as they do, faux socialists of his ilk try to tell 'ordinary people' how to live their lives when they do not live their own lives in the same way.
First mantra of socialism: Do as I say not as I do.0 -
thickandthin63 said:I am a pensioner so not a lot left after normal living expenses,still pay my bit of tax which will no doubt increase to cover Victoria Beckhams failed vanity project0
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PrincessFiona said:LenGlover said:stevexreeve said:thickandthin63 said:Spitfire76 said:PrincessFiona said:MrOneLung said:Victoria Beckhams personal wealth has no bearing on the loss making business.
Government money comes from taxpayers and borrowings the interest on which is financed by the aforementioned taxpayers.
Legally Branson and his ilk have done nothing wrong, as companies are separate legal entities from individuals, but morally is another debate, particularly when, as they do, faux socialists of his ilk try to tell 'ordinary people' how to live their lives when they do not live their own lives in the same way.
First mantra of socialism: Do as I say not as I do.
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I do not think Branson has paid uk tax for 14 years(see a tweet) so as far as I am concerned he can piss off.2
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The government can't pick and choose which companies it pays the relief to based on whether the owners of that business are rich/likeable. Personal wealth doesn't mean billions in the bank sitting waiting to be spent.2
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suzisausage said:The government can't pick and choose which companies it pays the relief to based on whether the owners of that business are rich/likeable. Personal wealth doesn't mean billions in the bank sitting waiting to be spent.0
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PrincessFiona said:suzisausage said:The government can't pick and choose which companies it pays the relief to based on whether the owners of that business are rich/likeable. Personal wealth doesn't mean billions in the bank sitting waiting to be spent.There are some exceptions!I know a company that has not furloughed a single member of staff, has guaranteed full pay until September, has made available facilities for testing NHS and other front line staff using its own staff as volunteers to manage the infrastucture, and has donated £10 million to the local NHS Trust. Oh, and the owner pays hundreds of millions of tax a year in the UK.All of that not to garner good PR (impossible anyway) but because in the words of the owner (and very dear friend of mine) thinks it is the right thing to do.0
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PrincessFiona said:suzisausage said:The government can't pick and choose which companies it pays the relief to based on whether the owners of that business are rich/likeable. Personal wealth doesn't mean billions in the bank sitting waiting to be spent.
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bobmunro said:PrincessFiona said:suzisausage said:The government can't pick and choose which companies it pays the relief to based on whether the owners of that business are rich/likeable. Personal wealth doesn't mean billions in the bank sitting waiting to be spent.There are some exceptions!I know a company that has not furloughed a single member of staff, has guaranteed full pay until September, has made available facilities for testing NHS and other front line staff using its own staff as volunteers to manage the infrastucture, and has donated £10 million to the local NHS Trust. Oh, and the owner pays hundreds of millions of tax a year in the UK.All of that not to garner good PR (impossible anyway) but because in the words of the owner (and very dear friend of mine) thinks it is the right thing to do.0
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cafcfan1990 said:PrincessFiona said:suzisausage said:The government can't pick and choose which companies it pays the relief to based on whether the owners of that business are rich/likeable. Personal wealth doesn't mean billions in the bank sitting waiting to be spent.0
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The issue is Branson doesn’t own 100% of all of his companies, he’s asking for a loan that he’s putting his house up as collateral for & what’s up with that ? Jobs saved , interest paid on loan win win0
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Spitfire76 said:The issue is Branson doesn’t own 100% of all of his companies, he’s asking for a loan that he’s putting his house up as collateral for & what’s up with that ? Jobs saved , interest paid on loan win win0
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thickandthin63 said:Spitfire76 said:The issue is Branson doesn’t own 100% of all of his companies, he’s asking for a loan that he’s putting his house up as collateral for & what’s up with that ? Jobs saved , interest paid on loan win win0
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Ironic that in 2009 he said that governments shouldn't bail out airlines when British Airways was in trouble apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jun/22/richard-branson-attacks-british-airways
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guinnessaddick said:thickandthin63 said:Spitfire76 said:The issue is Branson doesn’t own 100% of all of his companies, he’s asking for a loan that he’s putting his house up as collateral for & what’s up with that ? Jobs saved , interest paid on loan win win
yes, an asset. What he should do, whilst we seem to be in the market of telling others what they should do with their own personal wealth.... - As he won't be able to sell that particular asset in order to pay for the staffing costs of a company he has a share in is offer vouchers to everyone one of the employees which entitle them to a weeks stay on his own personal island. Maybe then people wont think him some kind of ogre.
Also the BA thing - i don't know the details, but what the government are doing at the moment is helping out ALL businesses, and not singling out individual businesses to help which I'm sure is what he was objecting to at the time - seeing as had shares in a rival. why should one company get an hand out and not another. Surely that is exactly the point Branson was trying to make, and is possibly why the company that he set up and now has a share in is seeking the same financial benefit afforded to them by the government.
I know this is going round in circles, but it basically comes down to the fact that every business has a right to claim because 'dem da rules' and picking off individual rich successful people who you think are sitting at home on a throne of pound coins who have attributed their name to a company should not be enjoying themselves so much.
Is Cath Kidson putting her hand in her pocket to help the company she set up in 1993 but sold 10 years ago maintaining a minority share? Should she?
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Simon Cowell and Duncan Bannatyne take aim at Richard Branson and Victoria Beckham over their pleas for taxpayer help while they use their own cash to support staff
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Not really. It’s headline click bait from the Daily Mail which means it’s probably 99% bullshit.0
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suzisausage said:Not really. It’s headline click bait from the Daily Mail which means it’s probably 99% bullshit.0