Education, Education, Education. People who are educated enough to realise that having more than a couple children is generally immoral and not in their best interests will in most cases only have two children. Where the no government financial support for more than two falls over in a moral sense is that you are penalising the child not the parent. Condemning that child to financial disadvantage. We know that the financially disadvantaged often struggle to ever make up the ground in many aspects of life. It also means that it is only the rich that can have a family size of their choosing. A maximum of two should be encouraged but I’m totally against financial penalisation for having more than two children. If us humans spent more of our collective wealth on ensuring all children were well educated and less on guns and bombs it might be a start. Not much chance though. Before anyone asks. I have two kids.
The point with education is that in countries where women are better educated, which is hand in hand with development of a nation, the birth rate falls. I don't think this is a moral thing, but a realisation that it is easier to cope with and look after fewer children, particularly as women who are better educated tend to have better paid jobs. Plenty of research to support this. Birth rates are tumbling in the west, and are increasingly dropping in developing countries. Education on and access to birth control methods is also important. p.s. I also have two kids, and definitely don't want any more. Know plenty of well-education and affluent people with up to four kids. Their choice, they pay for them. Also know people who have chosen not to have kids, or just want one. Fine. Also know a few parents with lots of kids who rely on the state to pay for them... again, I agree with SHG you can't penalise the child. Hopefully they get a decent education.
The number of children being born in the world is already falling!
The population will still rise to around 11 billion because older people are not dying. But then it will start to drop.
The real problem will be how a declining population of young working people can maintain a growing population of older non-working people.
The Chinese are particularly worried about this and probably now regard their one child policy as a ill-thought out mistake.
It is regarded as a mistake, one that is very hard to reverse as even though the rule doesn't exist anymore, many people don't want more than one child as:
1) Having a child is very, very expensive here 2) They've spent their entire lives being told 1 child is better.
Bill Gates position is a bit much, but he's bloody right when it comes to over population and that it needs to stop.
How is that even possible though? China tried to control it's population growth with the only way possible and was condemned by thr world for being cruel and controlling.
I believe you yourself have two children, I want a second one day and plenty of people have more than that, especially in poorer regions.
I'm not sure there's a solution that would be acceptable to anyone and even if there was it won't end well, you'd just be left with a massively aging population with no one to look after and finance the pensioners.
I agree there's no way to achieve it.
Me and my partner have basically replaced ourselves with the kids we had.
I think the issue is actually the poor that are key to over population. Why do these poorest areas have so many children? You see it every day benefit claimants that go on to have 5 kids? Surely if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't have kids. You're bringing them into poverty and that's unfair on the children and the general tax payers.
(Admittedly I wouldn't have been born if this was a rule)
Poor people have traditionally had lots of children on the assumption that several of them would die and that they would need survivors to look after them in old age.
For many people, having no children means you will eventually become a burden on the state or the rest of your family and that you have not provided properly for yourselves.
I know it's a different way of looking at it but it helps to understand why having many children is embedded in many cultures as a good thing.
I would have thought the availability of contraceptives to women has had the biggest influence on large families. My 83 year old mother has always said it was the best thing ever for women who were able to take control of their bodies and life’s. She also says if the human race depended on men to give birth it would have died out long ago, they certainly would not do more than once.
Bill Gates position is a bit much, but he's bloody right when it comes to over population and that it needs to stop.
How is that even possible though? China tried to control it's population growth with the only way possible and was condemned by thr world for being cruel and controlling.
I believe you yourself have two children, I want a second one day and plenty of people have more than that, especially in poorer regions.
I'm not sure there's a solution that would be acceptable to anyone and even if there was it won't end well, you'd just be left with a massively aging population with no one to look after and finance the pensioners.
I agree there's no way to achieve it.
Me and my partner have basically replaced ourselves with the kids we had.
I think the issue is actually the poor that are key to over population. Why do these poorest areas have so many children? You see it every day benefit claimants that go on to have 5 kids? Surely if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't have kids. You're bringing them into poverty and that's unfair on the children and the general tax payers.
(Admittedly I wouldn't have been born if this was a rule)
In general terms it seems western governments and scientists have always felt that the key to population control is development. This is partly why western governments invest heavily in less developed parts of the world. The more developed we become globally, the sooner population issues start to become more normalised. Obviously it's a long term solution, it's not something that can be done instantly without draconian rules, and draconian rules like these would make many governments in the more developed world, very uncomfortable.
Education, Education, Education. People who are educated enough to realise that having more than a couple children is generally immoral and not in their best interests will in most cases only have two children. Where the no government financial support for more than two falls over in a moral sense is that you are penalising the child not the parent. Condemning that child to financial disadvantage. We know that the financially disadvantaged often struggle to ever make up the ground in many aspects of life. It also means that it is only the rich that can have a family size of their choosing. A maximum of two should be encouraged but I’m totally against financial penalisation for having more than two children. If us humans spent more of our collective wealth on ensuring all children were well educated and less on guns and bombs it might be a start. Not much chance though. Before anyone asks. I have two kids.
If in the UK there wasn't a financial incentive to have more than 2 Children then maybe the baby machine mothers would work out there are reasons to have birth control. My wife knew my views on having only two Children before we lived together and got married. We had two children but then my wife wanted more; not being a hypocrite, and having a son and daughter already we had no more Children.
Having lived in Africa as a privileged child for 3 years, I was well aware of the facts of life and why there were many big families. Too many of the babies died and having it explained to me at 6 years of age why some local children had swollen stomachs was because of a lack of food not that they had too much.
The reason this thread has gone off on a tangent that unlike the early days of Phone masks, where there were clusters of Cancer cases to residents living nearby, only the folk like David Icke who see conspiracy in everything that moves because Lizard's are in charge, see a connection between COVID-19 and 5G.
Coronavirus and 5G ? Please move on, there is nothing to see here.
Bill Gates position is a bit much, but he's bloody right when it comes to over population and that it needs to stop.
How is that even possible though? China tried to control it's population growth with the only way possible and was condemned by thr world for being cruel and controlling.
I believe you yourself have two children, I want a second one day and plenty of people have more than that, especially in poorer regions.
I'm not sure there's a solution that would be acceptable to anyone and even if there was it won't end well, you'd just be left with a massively aging population with no one to look after and finance the pensioners.
I agree there's no way to achieve it.
Me and my partner have basically replaced ourselves with the kids we had.
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The population will still rise to around 11 billion because older people are not dying. But then it will start to drop.
The real problem will be how a declining population of young working people can maintain a growing population of older non-working people.
The Chinese are particularly worried about this and probably now regard their one child policy as a ill-thought out mistake.
1) Having a child is very, very expensive here
2) They've spent their entire lives being told 1 child is better.
Me and my partner have basically replaced ourselves with the kids we had.
I think the issue is actually the poor that are key to over population. Why do these poorest areas have so many children? You see it every day benefit claimants that go on to have 5 kids? Surely if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't have kids. You're bringing them into poverty and that's unfair on the children and the general tax payers.
(Admittedly I wouldn't have been born if this was a rule)
For many people, having no children means you will eventually become a burden on the state or the rest of your family and that you have not provided properly for yourselves.
I know it's a different way of looking at it but it helps to understand why having many children is embedded in many cultures as a good thing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52281315
If in the UK there wasn't a financial incentive to have more than 2 Children then maybe the baby machine mothers would work out there are reasons to have birth control. My wife knew my views on having only two Children before we lived together and got married. We had two children but then my wife wanted more; not being a hypocrite, and having a son and daughter already we had no more Children.
Having lived in Africa as a privileged child for 3 years, I was well aware of the facts of life and why there were many big families.
Too many of the babies died and having it explained to me at 6 years of age why some local children had swollen stomachs was because of a lack of food not that they had too much.
The reason this thread has gone off on a tangent that unlike the early days of Phone masks, where there were clusters of Cancer cases to residents living nearby, only the folk like David Icke who see conspiracy in everything that moves because Lizard's are in charge, see a connection between COVID-19 and 5G.
Coronavirus and 5G ? Please move on, there is nothing to see here.
Cool video editing though. Amazing what you can do with Resolve and 24 hour a day lockdown
It would be grossly unfair to accuse CL rather than 5G - although it can't be proven to be wrong.