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Captain Tom Moore (ed. RIP)
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Twice you've shoehorned the daily mail in this thread now. Get some new materialCloudworm said:
Don't worry, The Daily Mail won't!Henry Irving said:As a trustee of a registered charity who gets paid nothing, not even expenses, I can absolutely see the value in having paid staff to do jobs.
They can commit proper time to it and bring in skills and experience that trustees and volunteers may not have.
Most paid staff in charities are needed to deliver the service so that IS what people donated for.
Do some people in some charities see it as a gravy train? Sure, but most charity staff aren't well paid.
And as we see in this case there is regulation that at least tries to stop abuses.
That doesn't, from what I see, justify £150k pa in this case but we don't have all the facts.
I'd be more annoyed about bonuses for bankers in banks we, the public, bailed out or water bosses and shareholders taking huge bonuses and dividends after polluting our rivers.
And don't even mention PPE or track and trace5 -
Dodgy as Fcuk! Never like the daughter and set the dad up for this !
The Barbados trip still during the pandemic was crazy and he died shortly afterwards! That’s when I got really suspicious!0 -
Wasn't me who posted the Daily Mail headline, dick.Huskaris said:
Twice you've shoehorned the daily mail in this thread now. Get some new materialCloudworm said:
Don't worry, The Daily Mail won't!Henry Irving said:As a trustee of a registered charity who gets paid nothing, not even expenses, I can absolutely see the value in having paid staff to do jobs.
They can commit proper time to it and bring in skills and experience that trustees and volunteers may not have.
Most paid staff in charities are needed to deliver the service so that IS what people donated for.
Do some people in some charities see it as a gravy train? Sure, but most charity staff aren't well paid.
And as we see in this case there is regulation that at least tries to stop abuses.
That doesn't, from what I see, justify £150k pa in this case but we don't have all the facts.
I'd be more annoyed about bonuses for bankers in banks we, the public, bailed out or water bosses and shareholders taking huge bonuses and dividends after polluting our rivers.
And don't even mention PPE or track and trace3 -
The highest paid employee of the RSPCA would have been paid £7 more than her, at £150,007, despite having income of £142m, more than 100 times that of the the Captain Tom Foundation, according to The Independent (not that evil Daily Mail @Cloudworm don't worry!).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/captain-tom-foundation-charity-daughter-b2018320.html
To me, that puts to bed the arguments of paying big money to attract big talent. More than anything, what "talent" does his daughter even have, other than being the daughter of a truly inspirational man?
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Whatever mate, you're boring.Cloudworm said:
Wasn't me who posted the Daily Mail headline, dick.Huskaris said:
Twice you've shoehorned the daily mail in this thread now. Get some new materialCloudworm said:
Don't worry, The Daily Mail won't!Henry Irving said:As a trustee of a registered charity who gets paid nothing, not even expenses, I can absolutely see the value in having paid staff to do jobs.
They can commit proper time to it and bring in skills and experience that trustees and volunteers may not have.
Most paid staff in charities are needed to deliver the service so that IS what people donated for.
Do some people in some charities see it as a gravy train? Sure, but most charity staff aren't well paid.
And as we see in this case there is regulation that at least tries to stop abuses.
That doesn't, from what I see, justify £150k pa in this case but we don't have all the facts.
I'd be more annoyed about bonuses for bankers in banks we, the public, bailed out or water bosses and shareholders taking huge bonuses and dividends after polluting our rivers.
And don't even mention PPE or track and trace1 -
Cloudworm said:
Wasn't me who posted the Daily Mail headline, dick.Huskaris said:
Twice you've shoehorned the daily mail in this thread now. Get some new materialCloudworm said:
Don't worry, The Daily Mail won't!Henry Irving said:As a trustee of a registered charity who gets paid nothing, not even expenses, I can absolutely see the value in having paid staff to do jobs.
They can commit proper time to it and bring in skills and experience that trustees and volunteers may not have.
Most paid staff in charities are needed to deliver the service so that IS what people donated for.
Do some people in some charities see it as a gravy train? Sure, but most charity staff aren't well paid.
And as we see in this case there is regulation that at least tries to stop abuses.
That doesn't, from what I see, justify £150k pa in this case but we don't have all the facts.
I'd be more annoyed about bonuses for bankers in banks we, the public, bailed out or water bosses and shareholders taking huge bonuses and dividends after polluting our rivers.
And don't even mention PPE or track and trace
When I searched Sir Tom daughter £150,000, the Daily Mail link came up first:The Independent
Revealed: Captain Tom charity 'tried to appoint daughter as CEO on six-figure salary'0 -
I am sure the Charity Commission will get to the bottom of this without fear or favour. They've a track record of honorable dealings, above and beyond reproach.
Apart from Martin Thomas being appointed as the Chair of the Charity Commission, but then having to resign before taking up the post following three formal complaints about him, including sending an unsolicited picture of himself displaying lingerie to a female employee by mistake and asking her to send it on to the "correct" female employee. I am sure Nadine Dorries was scrupulous and honest in insisting on fairness in the whole appointment process that ended up with Boris Johnson's long-term friend (click here and see the entry for 29 April 2019) Thomas being appointed.
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Can i suggest that a 'Bash Boris' thread is started. It seems to me that there are a dedicated group of anti Tories who take every opportunity to highjack any number of threads to have a pop at Tories. This thread was about Capt Toms charity and peoples views as to whether the alledged CEO salary might be inappropriate. Not, "yea but what about friends of Boris".9
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AgreedBromley Graham said:Can i suggest that a 'Bash Boris' thread is started. It seems to me that there are a dedicated group of anti Tories who take every opportunity to highjack any number of threads to have a pop at Tories. This thread was about Capt Toms charity and peoples views as to whether the alledged CEO salary might be inappropriate. Not, "yea but what about friends of Boris".1 -
No, it's a thread about Captain Tom and extended into some news about the charity set up after the distribution of the funds raised by his efforts. And some very well reasoned discussion as to whether people involved in the running of the charity should be investigated. We should all hope that the Charity Commission is fair, trustworthy and beyond reproach, so that we can rest assured that their findings are appropriate.Bromley Graham said:Can i suggest that a 'Bash Boris' thread is started. It seems to me that there are a dedicated group of anti Tories who take every opportunity to highjack any number of threads to have a pop at Tories. This thread was about Capt Toms charity and peoples views as to whether the alledged CEO salary might be inappropriate. Not, "yea but what about friends of Boris".
It seems the Charity Commission has as many questions to answer as the charity it has decided (and publicly announced) it's going to investigate.
Who guards the guards? I think it's very relevant to a thread that has turned from being a well-deserved lauding of a great Briton to a series of questions about the integrity of his immediate family.2 - Sponsored links:
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So what questions has the Charity Commission got to answer?1
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"Can we trust you to oversee charities when your senior appointments are so woefully inadequate and inappropriate?"Bromley Graham said:So what questions has the Charity Commission got to answer?2 -
Can you elaborate on that please @Chizz.Chizz said:
"Can we trust you to oversee charities when your senior appointments are so woefully inadequate and inappropriate?"Bromley Graham said:So what questions has the Charity Commission got to answer?
Are there concerns over the running of the Charity Commission?1 -
The appointment system is under review. Because Martin Thomas is a friend of Boris Johnson didn't make it inappropriate for his appointment, in my opinion. You no doubt, will disagree.
The Charity Commission has done nothing wrong by checking the £150000 salary of the proposed CEO. It is one of the reasons it exists.2 -
I have never said the Charity Commission has done anything wrong. I'm just curious to see why Chizz thinks there is a problem with the Charity Commission itself.Bromley Graham said:The appointment system is under review. Because Martin Thomas is a friend of Boris Johnson didn't make it inappropriate for his appointment, in my opinion. You no doubt, will disagree.
The Charity Commission has done nothing wrong by checking the £150000 salary of the proposed CEO. It is one of the reasons it exists.
As to questions about The Captain Tom Foundation, a salary of £150K for the Chief Executive does seem excessive. If someone is being appointed for political reasons then I agree that it is not acceptable.0 -
Afraid mate they have little else about them. There is also about 3 threads on the HoC group where they can and do that on a tedious daily basis.Bromley Graham said:Can i suggest that a 'Bash Boris' thread is started. It seems to me that there are a dedicated group of anti Tories who take every opportunity to highjack any number of threads to have a pop at Tories. This thread was about Capt Toms charity and peoples views as to whether the alledged CEO salary might be inappropriate. Not, "yea but what about friends of Boris".2 -
Seconded...PrincessFiona said:
AgreedBromley Graham said:Can i suggest that a 'Bash Boris' thread is started. It seems to me that there are a dedicated group of anti Tories who take every opportunity to highjack any number of threads to have a pop at Tories. This thread was about Capt Toms charity and peoples views as to whether the alledged CEO salary might be inappropriate. Not, "yea but what about friends of Boris".0 -
Agreed and politicising everything, referring to a right wing view/agenda and polarising issues where there is no needChippycafc said:
Afraid mate they have little else about them. There is also about 3 threads on the HoC group where they can and do that on a tedious daily basis.Bromley Graham said:Can i suggest that a 'Bash Boris' thread is started. It seems to me that there are a dedicated group of anti Tories who take every opportunity to highjack any number of threads to have a pop at Tories. This thread was about Capt Toms charity and peoples views as to whether the alledged CEO salary might be inappropriate. Not, "yea but what about friends of Boris".3 -
Maybe start a new thread about the charity commission?Chizz said:
"Can we trust you to oversee charities when your senior appointments are so woefully inadequate and inappropriate?"Bromley Graham said:So what questions has the Charity Commission got to answer?2 -
Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.6 - Sponsored links:
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As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.1 -
It depends on the type of charity, they don't only involve people. The charity I work for is better for not being funded by the Government.seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.1 -
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?0 -
Would £150k be a reasonable salary for the head of a L1 football club based charity without thousands of employees? Just asking for a friend…Henry Irving said:
I don't know but think that this is why the regulator (Charity Commission) flagged this up.Gribbo said:Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.
£150k pa to head up a major national charity with 1000s of staff and £££m budget is reasonable and less than someone with the same responsibilities would get in the private sector.
For a small charity like Captain Tom's it's not reasonable.
It's out of kilter with the other expenditure and the amount of work and skills needed.1 -
I have no idea which charity you are talking about, but if it is to save listed buildings, or protected habitats, or wildlife for example what happens if the money runs out?ME14addick said:
It depends on the type of charity, they don't only involve people. The charity I work for is better for not being funded by the Government.seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.1 -
seth plum said:
I have no idea which charity you are talking about, but if it is to save listed buildings, or protected habitats, or wildlife for example what happens if the money runs out?ME14addick said:
It depends on the type of charity, they don't only involve people. The charity I work for is better for not being funded by the Government.seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.Probably the RNLI Seth.A skipper told me they don't want funding as it would mean they are provided with equipment. Donations mean they can buy what they want. which means the best.
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This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?6 -
Ah the RNLI.
Fantastic voluntary service.
When I was at Brockley County, once a year other boys would appear in our classroom inviting donations, and in return we go a paper badge and a pin:
If I had any money, which I usually didn't have, I would pay a penny or two and wear the badge which lasted all of half a day usually on a schoolboy uniform.
The question remains though, what happens if the money runs out?
Is it a political comment to mention that recently the RNLI were getting criticised for helping desperate people trying to cross the channel from France and Belgium?
We also used to learn about this exceptional woman:
https://rnli.org/about-us/our-history/timeline/1838-grace-darling
There is also this:
https://www.englandthisway.com/articles/lynmouth-lifeboat-incident.php#:~:text=The story takes place on,of crashing on the coast.
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Not at all.Airman Brown said:
Would £150k be a reasonable salary for the head of a L1 football club based charity without thousands of employees? Just asking for a friend…Henry Irving said:
I don't know but think that this is why the regulator (Charity Commission) flagged this up.Gribbo said:Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.
£150k pa to head up a major national charity with 1000s of staff and £££m budget is reasonable and less than someone with the same responsibilities would get in the private sector.
For a small charity like Captain Tom's it's not reasonable.
It's out of kilter with the other expenditure and the amount of work and skills needed.
Fees more likely to be £100 to £150 a day and then only if grant funded.
At present, as previously stated, no one gets paid at all.0 -
Yes it is, although I'd be interested to know how they determined which were the desperate ones - definitely for a different thread and not one about Captain Tomseth plum said:Ah the RNLI.
Fantastic voluntary service.
When I was at Brockley County, once a year other boys would appear in our classroom inviting donations, and in return we go a paper badge and a pin:
If I had any money, which I usually didn't have, I would pay a penny or two and wear the badge which lasted all of half a day usually on a schoolboy uniform.
The question remains though, what happens if the money runs out?
Is it a political comment to mention that recently the RNLI were getting criticised for helping desperate people trying to cross the channel from France and Belgium?
We also used to learn about this exceptional woman:
https://rnli.org/about-us/our-history/timeline/1838-grace-darling
There is also this:
https://www.englandthisway.com/articles/lynmouth-lifeboat-incident.php#:~:text=The story takes place on,of crashing on the coast.0
