Captain Tom Moore (ed. RIP)
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That’s odd, because according to accounts published by the charities commission, CACT (formally the South of England Foundation) had an employee whose benefits totalled £120-£130k in the year ending March 2021.Henry Irving said:
Not at all.Airman Brown said:
Would £150k be a reasonable salary for the head of a L1 football club based charity without thousands of employees? Just asking for a friend…Henry Irving said:
I don't know but think that this is why the regulator (Charity Commission) flagged this up.Gribbo said:Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.
£150k pa to head up a major national charity with 1000s of staff and £££m budget is reasonable and less than someone with the same responsibilities would get in the private sector.
For a small charity like Captain Tom's it's not reasonable.
It's out of kilter with the other expenditure and the amount of work and skills needed.
Fees more likely to be £100 to £150 a day and then only if grant funded.
At present, as previously stated, no one gets paid at all.0 -
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
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Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
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Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.PrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
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SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.PrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
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The last paragraph maybe?9
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A lot of hard work is done by charity employees to make sure it doesn't run out. There are thousands of wonderful supporters who donate to good causes.seth plum said:
I have no idea which charity you are talking about, but if it is to save listed buildings, or protected habitats, or wildlife for example what happens if the money runs out?ME14addick said:
It depends on the type of charity, they don't only involve people. The charity I work for is better for not being funded by the Government.seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Millions of pounds are raised for thousands of charities, it would be impossible for them all to be Government funded.
I don't work for the RNLI.3 -
You will have to ask a moderator if you're that interested.
I am unable to answer that question myself.0 -
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.PrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
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I think you're probably right that all charities can't be Government funded.ME14addick said:
A lot of hard work is done by charity employees to make sure it doesn't run out. There are thousands of wonderful supporters who donate to good causes.seth plum said:
I have no idea which charity you are talking about, but if it is to save listed buildings, or protected habitats, or wildlife for example what happens if the money runs out?ME14addick said:
It depends on the type of charity, they don't only involve people. The charity I work for is better for not being funded by the Government.seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Millions of pounds are raised for thousands of charities, it would be impossible for them all to be Government funded.
I don't work for the RNLI.
However this is what I wrote:
Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
I have not said the government ought to fund a charity for the preservation of a statue (which might very well be argued to be a good cause), but have mentioned about reliance on a charity to survive.
In the context of Captain Sir Tom's fundraising, my understanding was it was for the health sector, an area needed for survival, and if his money was an extra then great. However if his money is to cover gaps in much needed funding that really ought to be governmental, then it becomes a huge risk when the charity money runs out.
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So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.PrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
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I have not brought politics into this thread any more than any other contributor to this thread.PrincessFiona said:
So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.PrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
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I do agree with you that there are charities covering gaps which shouldn't be there. It isn't right that anyone should have to rely on a charity to exist.seth plum said:
I think you're probably right that all charities can't be Government funded.ME14addick said:
A lot of hard work is done by charity employees to make sure it doesn't run out. There are thousands of wonderful supporters who donate to good causes.seth plum said:
I have no idea which charity you are talking about, but if it is to save listed buildings, or protected habitats, or wildlife for example what happens if the money runs out?ME14addick said:
It depends on the type of charity, they don't only involve people. The charity I work for is better for not being funded by the Government.seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Millions of pounds are raised for thousands of charities, it would be impossible for them all to be Government funded.
I don't work for the RNLI.
However this is what I wrote:
Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
I have not said the government ought to fund a charity for the preservation of a statue (which might very well be argued to be a good cause), but have mentioned about reliance on a charity to survive.
In the context of Captain Sir Tom's fundraising, my understanding was it was for the health sector, an area needed for survival, and if his money was an extra then great. However if his money is to cover gaps in much needed funding that really ought to be governmental, then it becomes a huge risk when the charity money runs out.1 -
I think we are talking at cross-purposes.Airman Brown said:
That’s odd, because according to accounts published by the charities commission, CACT (formally the South of England Foundation) had an employee whose benefits totalled £120-£130k in the year ending March 2021.Henry Irving said:
Not at all.Airman Brown said:
Would £150k be a reasonable salary for the head of a L1 football club based charity without thousands of employees? Just asking for a friend…Henry Irving said:
I don't know but think that this is why the regulator (Charity Commission) flagged this up.Gribbo said:Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.
£150k pa to head up a major national charity with 1000s of staff and £££m budget is reasonable and less than someone with the same responsibilities would get in the private sector.
For a small charity like Captain Tom's it's not reasonable.
It's out of kilter with the other expenditure and the amount of work and skills needed.
Fees more likely to be £100 to £150 a day and then only if grant funded.
At present, as previously stated, no one gets paid at all.
I'm not a trustee or an employee of CACT.0 -
I’m not suggesting you are. You’ve assumed the charity I referenced was the museum. It wasn’t. That never occurred to me because I wouldn’t have assumed anyone there is being paid.Henry Irving said:
I think we are talking at cross-purposes.Airman Brown said:
That’s odd, because according to accounts published by the charities commission, CACT (formally the South of England Foundation) had an employee whose benefits totalled £120-£130k in the year ending March 2021.Henry Irving said:
Not at all.Airman Brown said:
Would £150k be a reasonable salary for the head of a L1 football club based charity without thousands of employees? Just asking for a friend…Henry Irving said:
I don't know but think that this is why the regulator (Charity Commission) flagged this up.Gribbo said:Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.
£150k pa to head up a major national charity with 1000s of staff and £££m budget is reasonable and less than someone with the same responsibilities would get in the private sector.
For a small charity like Captain Tom's it's not reasonable.
It's out of kilter with the other expenditure and the amount of work and skills needed.
Fees more likely to be £100 to £150 a day and then only if grant funded.
At present, as previously stated, no one gets paid at all.
I'm not a trustee or an employee of CACT.
My question was where you think CACT sits in this hierarchy, given you had set out a model for someone being paid £150k. Its senior management pay seems to be on a par with that for a small lower-tier local authority (i.e. a district council). I wonder if the level of responsibility and skill set is really comparable.0 -
Buy you do in generalseth plum said:
I have not brought politics into this thread any more than any other contributor to this thread.PrincessFiona said:
So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.BuyPrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
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The charities money side of things is rather revealing.
CACT are advertising part time posts from £11.05 per hour to £14.38 per hour.
If there was equity between those posts and somebody on £120,000 a year in the same organisation, then the person on £120k, at a rough calculation would have to work between 22-23 hours per day for 365 days to match what is expected of the £14.38ph bod.
They would also have to work around 28 hours per day for 365 days to match the rate for the £11.05ph bod.
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Total digression ((:>)seth plum said:Ah the RNLI.
Fantastic voluntary service.
When I was at Brockley County, once a year other boys would appear in our classroom inviting donations, and in return we go a paper badge and a pin:
If I had any money, which I usually didn't have, I would pay a penny or two and wear the badge which lasted all of half a day usually on a schoolboy uniform.
The question remains though, what happens if the money runs out?
Is it a political comment to mention that recently the RNLI were getting criticised for helping desperate people trying to cross the channel from France and Belgium?
We also used to learn about this exceptional woman:
https://rnli.org/about-us/our-history/timeline/1838-grace-darling
There is also this:
https://www.englandthisway.com/articles/lynmouth-lifeboat-incident.php#:~:text=The story takes place on,of crashing on the coast.
you were at Brockley County ? .. My school team, Raines Foundation, including myself, played B Cty at rugby .. you had a player, would be perhaps your age, Peter Wheeler, later played for Leicester, England AND the British Lions .. anyway, Wheeler or not you had a decent team and we hammered you .. sorry to digress0 -
How extensive is 'general'?PrincessFiona said:
Buy you do in generalseth plum said:
I have not brought politics into this thread any more than any other contributor to this thread.PrincessFiona said:
So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.BuyPrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
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our next investigation is into whether he is over 13 years of age
For example on the U23's thread?
You are focussed on me, but are there any other posters, using your terms of reference, who bring politics into threads on Charlton Life?0 -
Well, your description matched the museum more than CACT given the trust does employ lots of people (I don't know how many but many will be part time and/or sessional.) It also has a multi million turnover, unfortunately not something the museum can boast although @charltonnick is giving it a good try. I submitted our annual accounts last month BTW.Airman Brown said:
I’m not suggesting you are. You’ve assumed the charity I referenced was the museum. It wasn’t. That never occurred to me because I wouldn’t have assumed anyone there is being paid.Henry Irving said:
I think we are talking at cross-purposes.Airman Brown said:
That’s odd, because according to accounts published by the charities commission, CACT (formally the South of England Foundation) had an employee whose benefits totalled £120-£130k in the year ending March 2021.Henry Irving said:
Not at all.Airman Brown said:
Would £150k be a reasonable salary for the head of a L1 football club based charity without thousands of employees? Just asking for a friend…Henry Irving said:
I don't know but think that this is why the regulator (Charity Commission) flagged this up.Gribbo said:Maybe a rule that only a certain percentage of the Charity's previous 3 years avarage can be used on any individual salary, could be brought in.
It could also be banded depending on the size of the Charity.
£150k pa to head up a major national charity with 1000s of staff and £££m budget is reasonable and less than someone with the same responsibilities would get in the private sector.
For a small charity like Captain Tom's it's not reasonable.
It's out of kilter with the other expenditure and the amount of work and skills needed.
Fees more likely to be £100 to £150 a day and then only if grant funded.
At present, as previously stated, no one gets paid at all.
I'm not a trustee or an employee of CACT.
My question was where you think CACT sits in this hierarchy, given you had set out a model for someone being paid £150k. Its senior management pay seems to be on a par with that for a small lower-tier local authority (i.e. a district council). I wonder if the level of responsibility and skill set is really comparable.
And I'm more likely to think about the museum than CACT for obvious reasons.
Regardless CACT being linked to a league 1 club isn't relevant as their work is with the community and would be similar whichever division were in.
The £150k pa figure didn't come from me either. It was the figure in the press reports regarding the Captain Tom Foundation and the RSPCA.
So a whole package, that might include a pension and a car, of £120k for a CEO of a successful charity with turnover in the millions might well be reasonable. How much do CEOs at other football trusts earn? Are they as good? Certainly the charity commission must have agreed it wasn't unreasonable.1 - Sponsored links:
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I hated Brockley County. A place full of bullies, so I am delighted if they got a hammering, no need to apologise for that.Lincsaddick said:
Total digression ((:>)seth plum said:Ah the RNLI.
Fantastic voluntary service.
When I was at Brockley County, once a year other boys would appear in our classroom inviting donations, and in return we go a paper badge and a pin:
If I had any money, which I usually didn't have, I would pay a penny or two and wear the badge which lasted all of half a day usually on a schoolboy uniform.
The question remains though, what happens if the money runs out?
Is it a political comment to mention that recently the RNLI were getting criticised for helping desperate people trying to cross the channel from France and Belgium?
We also used to learn about this exceptional woman:
https://rnli.org/about-us/our-history/timeline/1838-grace-darling
There is also this:
https://www.englandthisway.com/articles/lynmouth-lifeboat-incident.php#:~:text=The story takes place on,of crashing on the coast.
you were at Brockley County ? .. My school team, Raines Foundation, including myself, played B Cty at rugby .. you had a player, would be perhaps your age, Peter Wheeler, later played for Leicester, England AND the British Lions .. anyway, Wheeler or not you had a decent team and we hammered you .. sorry to digress1 -
On this occasion I was referring to you, not doing an deep-dive analysis of all the posters on CL who may or may not bring politics unnecessarily into threadsseth plum said:
How extensive is 'general'?PrincessFiona said:
Buy you do in generalseth plum said:
I have not brought politics into this thread any more than any other contributor to this thread.PrincessFiona said:
So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.BuyPrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
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For example on the U23's thread?
You are focussed on me, but are there any other posters, using your terms of reference, who bring politics into threads on Charlton Life?1 -
Well on this occasion, on this thread, I have not especially brought politics into it beyond the notion of politics being welded to the shape and structures and features of any society, including the government of any colour of that society.PrincessFiona said:
On this occasion I was referring to you, not doing an deep-dive analysis of all the posters on CL who may or may not bring politics unnecessarily into threadsseth plum said:
How extensive is 'general'?PrincessFiona said:
Buy you do in generalseth plum said:
I have not brought politics into this thread any more than any other contributor to this thread.PrincessFiona said:
So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.BuyPrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
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our next investigation is into whether he is over 13 years of age
For example on the U23's thread?
You are focussed on me, but are there any other posters, using your terms of reference, who bring politics into threads on Charlton Life?
I have certainly not mentioned any particular political party.
I notice that when I mentioned that it has been other posters who have introduced the RSPCA and RNLI you didn't follow that up, but instead followed up the mystery as to why I can't post on the HoC thread.2 -
ME14addick said:
Can you elaborate on that please @Chizz.Chizz said:
"Can we trust you to oversee charities when your senior appointments are so woefully inadequate and inappropriate?"Bromley Graham said:So what questions has the Charity Commission got to answer?
Are there concerns over the running of the Charity Commission?My concerns are around the competence and track record of the individual responsible for greenlighting the nomination for the Chair. Get it spectacularly wrong once and it's fair to ask questions when you have to repeat the process.
If threads about England cricket can be used to discuss the running of the ECB and threads about the takeover of Charlton can be used to discuss the competence of the EFL, then I think a thread about Tom Moore (and the charity that bears his name) can be extended to question whether the Charity Commission is appropriately managed and competent to oversee perceived irregularities in this charity.
There's a story in the press suggesting that a member of Capt Tom's family was going to be offered the CEO position on a big salary. It would be interesting to know how that item came to the attention of the media (for instance, was it the Charity Commission that gave the press the story?).
From my point of view, that doesn't bother me: it's not my money. But for anyone for whom it is a big deal, the only recourse is the Charity Commission. So it would be good if it had teeth and was competent. Based on its recent appointment, it seems not.
The charity in question doesn't relate to the money donated by the public for Captain Tom's heroic, generous and inspiring efforts. All that money found its way to beneficiaries. This legacy charity is on an entirely different scale. I'm not sure it's worth the column inches that have been generated.
To put it in perspective, I don't know anyone or any company that's contributed to the charity; but millions of people were properly engaged in Captain Tom's original fundraising.1 -
Without commenting on individual cases, the controls on charities have to be very tight. People have to have faith there is no corruption or they will be reluctant to donate. Any scandals have to be prevented for that reason.2
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Such a shame you can't post on HoCseth plum said:s
Well on this occasion, on this thread, I have not especially brought politics into it beyond the notion of politics being welded to the shape and structures and features of any society, including the government of any colour of that society.PrincessFiona said:
On this occasion I was referring to you, not doing an deep-dive analysis of all the posters on CL who may or may not bring politics unnecessarily into threadsseth plum said:
How extensive is 'general'?PrincessFiona said:
Buy you do in generalseth plum said:
I have not brought politics into this thread any more than any other contributor to this thread.PrincessFiona said:
So because he's banned from there he brings brigs politics into threads on here!AFKABartram said:
Because he is banned from doing so.PrincessFiona said:SOseth plum said:
So why can't you post on HoC?
Before I posted somebody else mentioned the RSPCA, and it was also another poster who brought up the RNLI.BuyPrincessFiona said:
Why can't you post on the HoC section?seth plum said:
I am unable to post on the HoC section.PrincessFiona said:
This is a thread about Captain Tom not a political discussion about the relationship between the/any government and charities. Suggest you start a new thread about this wider and interesting topic, maybe on HoCseth plum said:
This is a thread about a charity.PrincessFiona said:
As per previous comments, whilst an interesting topic, this is for another thread?seth plum said:Charities are all very well as an extra, but in this society I don't think anybody ought to either rely on, or be at the mercy of a charity to survive.
If a government of any colour, local or national, passes their responsibilities off to the charitable sector they are avoiding taking proper action themselves.
Which other thread ought my comment to be on?
I would have thought rescuing desperate people was a humanitarian action, not a political one, and therefore quite appropriate for this thread.
Why introduce the issue on a thread about Captain Tom?
What 'introduction' concerns you?
As for the HoC section, this the Charlton Life terms and conditions:Terms of Service
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
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our next investigation is into whether he is over 13 years of age
For example on the U23's thread?
You are focussed on me, but are there any other posters, using your terms of reference, who bring politics into threads on Charlton Life?
I have certainly not mentioned any particular political party.
I notice that when I mentioned that it has been other posters who have introduced the RSPCA and RNLI you didn't follow that up, but instead followed up the mystery as to why I can't post on the HoC thread.1 -
This, one hundred percentMuttleyCAFC said:Without commenting on individual cases, the controls on charities have to be very tight. People have to have faith there is no corruption or they will be reluctant to donate. Any scandals have to be prevented for that reason.0 -
I have previously had a positive view of CACT, that is a bit diminished after discovering the disparity of reward between the highest paid and the lowest paid.
I can't remember who said it, but I am pretty sure somebody said that Captain Sir Tom's daughter should get a payment of £20k and leave it there, the point being made then, and throughout, is how much people in the charity sector can get.
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A lot of charities have a trading arm which makes them businesses with large turnovers. Charities need good CEOs to run them and need to have salaries the equivalent of businesses of a similar size.seth plum said:I have previously had a positive view of CACT, that is a bit diminished after discovering the disparity of reward between the highest paid and the lowest paid.
I can't remember who said it, but I am pretty sure somebody said that Captain Sir Tom's daughter should get a payment of £20k and leave it there, the point being made then, and throughout, is how much people in the charity sector can get.
Pay for employees lower down the salary scale is not so good.0 -
The usual gang have arrived.2
